Question: Why isn't every man single today?

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

You’d think that after so many years of suffering in a sexless/loveless marriage, men would leave….so why are they still in them? There are so many courageous people on these forums who have fought and gotten out (albeit they had to pay a lot to get out)….but why don’t more men do this? You’d think that after years and years of unsatisfaction they would have taken the Red Pill already..

Just something I’m wondering

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

Because it’s easier to be a sheep and expect women to make you happy instead of working hard on yourself.

Plus there’s all the bluepill bulls~~~ being thrown around 24/7 in our society, never hit a woman, happy wife happy life, blah blah blah.
Also, it seems like most men tend to naturally act bluepill. Gynocentrism may be s~~~ty, but it’s powerful.

Don’t even get me start on the shaming tactics, because apparently, because a single male who doesn’t want children is “selfish”, and we need to “man up” (i.e. conform to what women expect us to be). “Real men do this, real men do that, blah blah blah”.

I think every guy here has had his dose of mindless gynocentric blabber coming from the c~~~mouths, so we opted out of relations~~~s.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[RoyDalParticipant]

It is easier to be a good little obedient sheep (like Mango Ingaway said). Being a rogue and foraging for oneself is hard. It takes thinking, planning, work, and assuming risks. Obviously, the vast majority of men will avoid all that in favor of the easier path.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SMADParticipant 651]

Oneforfreedom wrote:

but why don’t more men do this?

Many men feel that it is some sort of duty, or they feel they need to “settle” with their partners, even if they are massive burdens.  When I think of “settling” down, I imagine a pebble being dropped into a fish tank and it moves around a little as it sinks, until it just comes to “rest” at a convenient point on the bottom – even if there are massive gaps around it and it could topple over at the slightest change, it will do because its slightly stable.

Most men are pebbles.  I see myself and my fellow MGTOW as massive BOULDERS in a raging river.  Even with all that pressure and swirling elemental force trying its hardest to move the boulder, we remain firmly in place and the water moves AROUND US.  Our sheer weight of character and presence doesn’t just sit ON the river bed – it makes a massive, solid dent with a foundation.

Many men don’t have the confidence to know they CAN do better.  So they remain trapped as they feel its better to have someone than no-one.  Which is a very sad place to be.

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[FermatParticipant 3478]

I have a friend who told me he really wants to experience a woman the way he sees other males do around him. He’s a virgin and has never had a girlfriend. He doesn’t want one nightstands or friends with benefits. He admits playfully that he’s a hopeless romantic looking for “the one”. He wants a lady he can give his entire heart to. The very core of his masculinity he wants placed into the loving caring arms of a females. He’s so anxious to feel loved by a woman he is willing to ignore her “minor faults” because he has been told all his life that being a man is about finding a beautiful women to give your stuff too. He always asks me for tips on dating/texting women because I have more experience, but as a MGTOW I truly can only tell him so much without scaring him away. It’s difficult watching your friends chase vagina like animals because you know the truth and they cannot fathom a world where women are actually using them. They simply cry NAWALT and return to their never-ending search.

To be MGTOW is to deny our reptilian primal urges to take care of females. As children, we are shown stories of knights rescuing princesses, superheroes being motivated by and saving  their girlfriends, and paradises involving women idolizing how masculine we are. Social indoctrination at its finest. Consequently, young males these days believe having a woman will make them happy and bring them joy. Women realize men love being seen as “heroes” and spend their entire lives observing men from a distance, analyzing how stupid we are, while we men look at women from afar, mystified by their presence. Ever wonder why girls at a  young age aren’t into superheroes and movies emphasizing selflessness and courage? Because they understand it’s more important for them to learn how to exploit these practices rather than actually live by them. Hence why they watch movies about “romance” and “drama” because it gives them social scenarios where they can practice in their adolescent minds how to manipulate people’s attitudes and feelings to their advantage, while still feeling like the victim. It’s nature’s most intricate and devastating tool for a woman’s reproductive strategy.

This level of social engineering happens for so long and so frequently that at the age of 20-30, a man simply cannot picture his life without a woman. These males envision themselves as those childhood “heroes” once they have a woman. This is especially true about men who date and/or marry  emotional train-wrecks, foolishly believing they can “save” a woman from her troubles. I could go on, but its less about gynocentricism and more about social manipulation to encourage the human species to breed. My friend is a prime example of such manipulation. Don’t let it be you.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Oneforfreedom wrote:

You’d think that after so many years of suffering in a sexless/loveless marriage, men would leave….so why are they still in them?

The reason that I stayed in my marriage so long was because

1.  I have a responsibility to my sons.  I felt that staying in the relationship was to the benefit of my kids.  I know better now.

2.  The Carrot and The Stick.  My ex wife kept promising me that thing would get better after this or when that occurs.  I kept buying in to this.

3.  False hope.  Hope can be fostered by promises.  Promises that are made and are not kept, are in actuality lies.  She kept asking me what I wanted.  I kept telling her what I wanted.  I didn’t get what I wanted.  Blow my top.  She asked me what I wanted.  And the cycle kept going on and on until I called her on her lies.

Men stay in their sad relationships out a sense of responsibility or because of promises made and the false hope that they bring.

By the time a man wakes up to this, he is neck deep in a toxic relationship and is not just sleeping, but living in the spare bedroom.

By the way.  All of the above is part and parcel of why I am MGTOW.  I wiser man that I said that honor (integrity) is the purview of men.  This is more true today than ever before.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[OldscoundrellParticipant 412]

Oneforfreedom wrote:

You’d think that after so many years of suffering in a sexless/loveless marriage, men would leave….so why are they still in them?

 

The ironic part is that it is harder to stay in that type of relations~~~.

The answer is simple. As men, we are expected to man up. Push through to persevere, for the sake of the woman or family unit.

Once more men start realizing its a rigged game, and why women are pushing them into the direction of marriage (solely for the womans gain)…well, I see a very desperate post modern female.

 

[v9wlmn8c1982Participant 83]

Because as a man society tells us that if we haven’t got a wife/GF then we must be a loser. So many young men are indoctrinated into this false alpha male BS and needing to be this super macho guy and get loads of pussy and if you don’t then there must be something wrong with you and you’ll be miserable and lonely.

So for men, the number 1onereason most men get married is to fit in to what society would consider a ” normal ” person. But the term ” normal ” really means robot, someone who can’t think for themselves and is desperate for societal approval. A very feminine trait and most men are feminised without even realising. The guy with the tattoo’s and big muscles who does it all to show off to women is being as feminine as f~~~. A man don’t need to do any of that s~~~.

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

Fermat wrote:

To be MGTOW is to deny our reptilian primal urges to take care of females.

Good turn of phrase, and totally right.

Edit: I also meant to say all the other previous posts are right on. This is a thread of uncanny insight.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[revistaParticipant 232]

Soldier-medic i was in the same situation as you.stayed for my sons in a sexless,loveless relationship.no communication,just mom and dad going through the motions.probably still would have been there now,it was her that pulled the pin in the end.its been a difficult time but 2 years on im in a great place.see my sons alot and havnt gota put up with her s~~~.going my own way now,love the extra money and peace and quiet i have now.pumped and dumped a few but no way am i getting involved again.im 46,for the younger brothers out there look for the red flags and dont get shamed in to settling down.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

This is correct. The human mind is composed of three parts: the reptilian, the mammal, and the human. The reptilian brain is responsible for fighting, fleeing, eating and making sweet, sweet sensual love down by the fire. The mammal brain is trainable though still subject to instincts. A mammal brain can learn. The human brain is the sovereign power, responsible for thinking. In order to work with humans, one must work critically to understand what part of the human brain this particular human is working.

If a person is working with their reptilian brain, they may be dangerous. You cannot reason with them, but you may appeal to their basal urges like food. A reptile acts solely on instinct and cannot be trained. A reptile isn’t evil, but acts exclusively selfishly. A psychopath in a blood lust frenzy is in his reptilian brain. He’s acting on that which makes him feel good.

An ordinary joe runs on habits. This is the mammal brain. Unfortunately, this person can also be dangerous. To appeal to this person, observe what he typically does and try to match an animal to him. A bear likes to tear people apart for fun. A cat hunts because that’s what a cat does. Monkeys mimic and experiment (a child who mimics though is incredibly adorable).

Humans are exclusively capable of higher ordered thinking. MGTOW is an outworking of this in the current societal situation. I won’t explain what the human mind is because you can use your own. If you don’t, you wouldn’t understand anyways.

I guess you can see how women tend to see men. Feminist who say men rape, say men are like reptiles. The Victorian Era saw men as reptiles struggling to become humans, but women are always humans. Tradcons see men as either reptiles (from Victorian Era Ethics) or as mammals fit for work. They are to be trained to have habits.

Lord have mercy on the man who uses his human brain!

MGTOW criticizes women and men saying men are behaving like trained mammals and women are acting like reptiles. The main complaint among MRAs is that men are letting women walk all over them.

This model of the human mind is used basically by all humans who matter in the world. Generals use it, officers use it, police use it. It’s either adopt it or perish.

[SteveParticipant 462]

1. Primal attraction to woman’s squishy bits.

2. Social conditioning to “do the right thing” and have a wife / kids.

3. Once you have the kids, you stay for the kids.

I’m married and have a young son and staying for him until he’s a bit older.

If only I had found MGTOW at 2. then I’m convinced I wouldn’t have given in to social conditioning. I thought I was just messed up having these kind of thoughts. Conforming will sort me out… Yeah right.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

About 15 years back, when I was right around 30, guys were looked at as a “Loser” if he wasn’t in a LTR by 30-ish.  The problem is, by that point, most of the people already in LTRs were married – so then you were quickly deemed “immature” if you didn’t at least get engaged by the time you were 30-ish.

Then it all goes down from there.  The woman is 30 and has baby rabies, but never told the man, and puts incredible pressure on him to crank out kids – because he isn’t a “man” if she doesn’t get to keep pace with her peers.

Example:

Guy I know could not even get women to pay attention to him in his Teens & 20’s.  Like clockwork, when he turned 30yo, mediocre looking women started treating him like a stud.  He gets married to a woman that looks like a 14yo boy, with a 1980’s mullet.  By the time he has his first kid, I have just had my third. He calls me saying “this is great, he sleeps through the night!”, I laughed and said “wait until there are three, and you will call me crying”.  Two years later they have twins, he called me saying “OMFG, you were right!  My life is hell!  I never drank hard liquor before, and now I have a bottle of Vodka hidden in ever room of the house!”.  Hilarious.  A guy who went 30 years without having more than 2-3 beers at once, turned into a borderline alcoholic in 3 years.

Why aren’t more men single?  It’s not just the pressure from the women, it is from society in general.

Sovereignty above all else.

[EdogParticipant 254]

Willie Nelson told a joke in the Dukes of Hazzard…”Why are divorces so expensive?” “Because they’re worth it!!”.

 

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Oneforfreedom wrote:

You’d think that after so many years of suffering in a sexless/loveless marriage, men would leave…

Often times it’s simply cheaper to keep her. Divorce is hideously expensive for men. Not so much for women, despite that they usually end up in poverty after.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Mango Ingaway wrote:

happy wife happy life

I heard this one from a coworker recently.  I just thought what the f~~~?  Bending over backwards to keep some impossible to please bimbo happy means you have a good life because she might temporarily stop bitching?  It should be no wife, happy life.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

No wife: AWESOME life!

Go and be AWESOME!

[rorickParticipant 682]

Wow i never knew that people from west had social pressures to get married, I always used to boast about western people like how easy their life is and not have to succumb to social pressures, unlike where i live ., Anyway at least you people have a choice to choose your own partner unlike here where arrange marriages are the norm…

In my country most men want themselves to be viewed as the obedient social animal, so they just follow what  society asks them to do, that is to get married and have kids. You’ll very rarely see people like me who wants to stay single forever and moreover it is also not easy cause society always throw stones at them, they don’t want to see someone breaking away from the herd.

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