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Question: Was the marriage agreement a good deal in the 1950s?
Why or why not?
lets discuss history because i’m curious.MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
Hahaha!!!
good answer stealthy!
i don’t think marriage was EVER a good deal for men.
1950 or now.
same bad deal..
you provide and they consume.
say good-bye to your freedom and your money.
for what ?
i can’t think of one good reason to marry.i don’t think marriage was EVER a good deal for men.
i agree with you guys,
the only reason i asked is because the marriage rate used to be very high back then…. see graph
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MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
the only reason i asked is because the marriage rate used to be very high back then…. see graph
I don’t think it was better, there was simply a social stigma to get married. There was also much more pressure to stick it out in a marriage, rather than chucking it away like any other commodity.
Question: Was the marriage agreement a good deal in the 1950s?
You’re comparing apples with oranges. The changes in society and culture truly makes the past a different country.
The people getting married in the 50s had grown up during the Great Depression and WW2. Their needs, desires, and perceptions were wholly different. Not only we’re they satisfied with fewer material possessions, they hadn’t been exposed to generations of advertising suggesting that you absolutely needed the Latest, Greatest, Newest, etc. The personal desire and societal pressure to Keep up with the Jones was something they were just noticing and not something which, to us, is given.
A blue collar wage could pay for a house, not a McMansion; a car, not a yearly lease; a couple vacations, not Disneyland; and a college fund, not a degree in Intersectional Gender F~~~~~ Underwater Basketry Marxism.
They didn’t need much, didn’t think they needed much, and thus were content with what we’d view as less. To them, children of the Depression and WW2, what they had was luxury.
Next, as we all too often overlook here, marriage isn’t the problem as much as divorce is the problem. Since the 50s, women have been given more excuses to believe they’re dissatisfied and more abilities to express that dissatisfaction. Making it even worse, women are generously rewarded when they express their dissatisfaction through divorce.
In the 50s, divorce wasn’t the automatic winning lottery ticket for women that it is today so, unlike currently, divorce didn’t happen on a whim.
All this is not to say that people were more likely to be happily married in the 50s. However, people were more likely to be less dissatisfied with their marriage and, because it was harder to leave a marriage, marriages lasted longer.
I’m old. Leave it to Beaver is as normal to me as it is bizarre to you. I remember stay at home moms, kids walking home for lunch from school, wives wearing housecoats, laundry drying on lines in the backyard, and thousands of other things that must seem totally alien to you.
I also remember when it all changed, the divorce explosion of the 70s, wives and mothers starting to get jobs outside of the home, women’s lib, and all the rest.
The past is a different country. In some ways better, in some ways worse, but definitely different.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Got to discuss this with my father when he was terminal.
He said that marriage has never been a good deal for either man or woman.
He meant the common everyday family structure.
But, that isn’t what matters. He said what matters is the children. It is the best structure for a child.
He said the destruction of the family structure is the problem.
A woman’s ability to leave because she isn’t happy. My father saw feminist righteous woman as weak destructive selfish c~~~s.
Selfishness was what my father saw. A woman that mentally chooses to care only about herself and destroy her family is the issue.
My father said that when a person isn’t held accountable then the children suffer. When you give birth to a child you no longer get to do what you want or what you feel like doing.
There is no equity. There is no fairness. Your wants and desires do not matter. You are responsible for another’s life. No your role and shut your hole.
Peace brothers
@oldbill thanks for you excellent response..
Intersectional Gender F~~~~~ Underwater Basketry Marxism.
ahhahahhaahah
most of the people that graduate with these types of degrees are women. These same women enter the workforce, and complain about the wage gap.He said that marriage has never been a good deal for either man or woman.
He meant the common everyday family structure.
But, that isn’t what matters. He said what matters is the children. It is the best structure for a child.
you father is a wise man. thanks for sharing his wisdom.
the best evidence of how selfish women are is the epidemic of single mothers. these kids are missing out on half of the guidance they are supposed to receive as a child and teenager
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
A blue collar wage could pay for a house, not a McMansion; a car, not a yearly lease; a couple vacations, not Disneyland; and a college fund
median household income has been stagnant because of a large number of women entering the workforce and automation/robots that replace human labour
All good things come to an end.
divorce is the problem. Since the 50s, women have been given more excuses to believe they’re dissatisfied and more abilities to express that dissatisfaction. Making it even worse, women are generously rewarded
they are generously rewarded financially in a divorce.
I have to add: revenge is a dish best served cold.
women hit the wall soon after divorce and realize that they are not treated like a queen by white knights anymore because their looks have faded. They become lonely and wonder where have all the good men gone. Then, they get cats to band-aid their loneliness.
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
No way. I’ll admit that you were more respected and had a better deal, but you were still a slave. The question is would you rather be a respected slave or disrespected slave? If you’re a MGTOW, slavery is not an option.
You’re still supporting some lazy bitch who will probably hate you. I’m sorry, but after I do housework as a man, you realize that doesn’t warrant all the complaining women do about it. I can(and I do) work a 50 hour work week and then come home and do all the housework. A woman that stays around the house being lazy and not working a job is a no no. Like everything they do, women over emphasize and exaggerate the importance of what they do. It would have been a better deal in the 1950’s but it was still a s~~~ty deal.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
neverAgain writes: median household income has been stagnant because of a large number of women entering the workforce and automation/robots that replace human labour
Since there are now far more singles comprising a ‘household’ than in the past, when more people were married, that would be an apples-oranges comparison, would it not? Also, many times we are buying BETTER products for our dollar — my car is more reliable, my TV larger, with a flat screen, etc.
In 1950, combined Federal, State, and Local government was about 22% of GDP; today, it’s just under 40%. So we can say we have decreased the percentage of DISCRETIONARY personal income during this time period, in my opinion.
If more workers mean reduced incomes/wages, how does one explain American prosperity during earlier periods of massive immigration? Well, the immigrants also created DEMAND for more products — food, housing, services, etc. Now, if many workers enter one profession, it does tend to impact that profession. And automation, to be fair, has *definitely* impacted the ability to get high-paying jobs with low skill levels (e.g. good paying assembly line jobs).
To answer the OP, marriage was typically a BETTER deal in the 1950s, than it is today, for a man. In my case, Mom bought her house BEFORE she met and married my father. Certainly atypical; that level of personal responsibility, almost unheard of today. She lived a frugal lifestyle while raising kids, cooking meals, and managing the finances including investment properties while Dad worked full time, and took care of him in his old age. So, a good deal for him MAYBE, but not so much so, for many of his colleagues who were obliterated in the Divorce Explosion of the 1970’s.
Today, your chances of marrying an attractive, financially responsible woman, and NEVER getting divorced, seem to me to be very low. This is based on the number of people I know in my age bracket (40’s) who are divorced.
Marriage back in the 1950s was better than today, the same way that eating a chicken sandwich a week past its due by date was better than eating a wet cow-pat sandwich now.
Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.
Having lived through the 1950s, I can agree with OldBill’s description. Television was just beginning to become widespread but it was black and white TV screens, not color. It was a different world from today.
Question: Was the marriage agreement a good deal in the 1950s?
You’re comparing apples with oranges. The changes in society and culture truly makes the past a different country.
The people getting married in the 50s had grown up during the Great Depression and WW2. Their needs, desires, and perceptions were wholly different. Not only we’re they satisfied with fewer material possessions, they hadn’t been exposed to generations of advertising suggesting that you absolutely needed the Latest, Greatest, Newest, etc. The personal desire and societal pressure to Keep up with the Jones was something they were just noticing and not something which, to us, is given.
A blue collar wage could pay for a house, not a McMansion; a car, not a yearly lease; a couple vacations, not Disneyland; and a college fund, not a degree in Intersectional Gender F~~~~~ Underwater Basketry Marxism.
They didn’t need much, didn’t think they needed much, and thus were content with what we’d view as less. To them, children of the Depression and WW2, what they had was luxury.
Next, as we all too often overlook here, marriage isn’t the problem as much as divorce is the problem. Since the 50s, women have been given more excuses to believe they’re dissatisfied and more abilities to express that dissatisfaction. Making it even worse, women are generously rewarded when they express their dissatisfaction through divorce.
In the 50s, divorce wasn’t the automatic winning lottery ticket for women that it is today so, unlike currently, divorce didn’t happen on a whim.
All this is not to say that people were more likely to be happily married in the 50s. However, people were more likely to be less dissatisfied with their marriage and, because it was harder to leave a marriage, marriages lasted longer.
I’m old. Leave it to Beaver is as normal to me as it is bizarre to you. I remember stay at home moms, kids walking home for lunch from school, wives wearing housecoats, laundry drying on lines in the backyard, and thousands of other things that must seem totally alien to you.
I also remember when it all changed, the divorce explosion of the 70s, wives and mothers starting to get jobs outside of the home, women’s lib, and all the rest.
The past is a different country. In some ways better, in some ways worse, but definitely different.
I don’t think those days were good for men or women. Men were forced into getting married young just like women and the entire responsibility of making money was theirs. Women were less materialistic but men still had a ton of pressure to keep the paychecks coming even if they were completely miserable at their jobs.
The fact is that for men marriage has always been a s~~~ty deal. It used to be s~~~ty for women as well but then the laws swung all the way in their favor and now there’s no reason for them NOT to get married.
No way. I’ll admit that you were more respected and had a better deal, but you were still a slave. The question is would you rather be a respected slave or disrespected slave? If you’re a MGTOW, slavery is not an option.
You’re still supporting some lazy bitch who will probably hate you. I’m sorry, but after I do housework as a man, you realize that doesn’t warrant all the complaining women do about it. I can(and I do) work a 50 hour work week and then come home and do all the housework. A woman that stays around the house being lazy and not working a job is a no no. Like everything they do, women over emphasize and exaggerate the importance of what they do. It would have been a better deal in the 1950’s but it was still a s~~~ty deal.
I doubt men were any more respected back then then they are today. Behind their husbands backs at the hair salon they were probably talking s~~~ about their husbands the entire time. Then when they got back they’d put on the ‘respect’ act because that’s what society expected them to do.
Got to discuss this with my father when he was terminal.
He said that marriage has never been a good deal for either man or woman.
He meant the common everyday family structure.
But, that isn’t what matters. He said what matters is the children. It is the best structure for a child.
He said the destruction of the family structure is the problem.
A woman’s ability to leave because she isn’t happy. My father saw feminist righteous woman as weak destructive selfish c~~~s.
Selfishness was what my father saw. A woman that mentally chooses to care only about herself and destroy her family is the issue.
My father said that when a person isn’t held accountable then the children suffer. When you give birth to a child you no longer get to do what you want or what you feel like doing.
There is no equity. There is no fairness. Your wants and desires do not matter. You are responsible for another’s life. No your role and shut your hole.
Smart man your dad.
I think some lessons can be learned by looking at marriage as it was in past times. However, there are obviously certain facts about the past that cannot be replicated today, or we simply wouldn’t want to. It’s difficult what aspects of life had what impacts on marriage.
I can think of a few aspects of the past I’d like to bring back, but honestly, I’m not sure anything would make me seriously consider marriage again.
Ok. Then do it.
i don’t think marriage was EVER a good deal for men.
1950 or now.Its bad deal for men back then, and much, much worse now.
MGTOW is paving the at for men to avoid marriage at all cost.
Why else do married men been saying never marry to us for years.
There giving us a warning and not to fall in the same trap they fell into.Us men didn't start the battle of the sexes, but we're clearly going to win it via the simple tactic of just leaving the battlefield in contempt."
I think it was a better deal back then, but actually being a good deal is all based upon your perspective. For a hard working guy who wanted kids, I think 1950 was a much better time, where as if you just want to be single, childless, and f~~~ some occasional whores, I think today is better. I think back then as well, a good housewife was actually something society respected, where as with how gender roles and the laws are today good housewives don’t really exist anymore…a housewife is nothing more than a parasite and a liability.
If I did want to get married…in 1950s I would have done it younger meaning I actually got to be with the wife for her prime, where as today women tend to want to settle down post wall. Also…she’d have taken a lot less dick(if any) before mine, she’d come with less debt, chances of her coming with some other guys kids were much lower, less fatties back then, they weren’t all tatted up and pierced up, and I think women of that generation actually respected men a hell of a lot more then women of my generation.
I also think a house wife back then was much more work. For starters they’d have had more kids. Five kids spread out over 8 years is a hell of a lot more work than 1 or 2 a year apart. Also, technology is much different. They did a lot more cooking from scratch back then, more people did things like garden and canning to save money, laundry was done by hand, women would sew and knit where as today everything is throw away, etc. Its not like today where the house wife does a load of laundry that consists of pushing a few buttons, sits on her ass watching tv all day, then demands to be taken out to dinner because she didn’t feel like cooking.
I know over the years a lot of older couples I’ve had the pleasure of knowing seemed to genuinely like being around each other, and the old women took pride in taking care of their men. My grandparents for example…my grandmother would wake up early every day and have breakfast ready for my grandfather…in her eyes he was going off to work a 10 hour day, it was the least she could do. Modern couples? F~~~ that, most women would be put out to press start on the coffee machine for the poor bastard. When I look at how my mom treats my dad …he’s just a piece of s~~~ that brings home a pay check. These older couples I’m talking about…all together pre-70s pre no-fault divorce/mainstream modern feminism. My parents…together since the 80s. I’m glad I have been able to look at a prior generation who got f~~~ed over by women and feminism…I can’t imagine how badly my dad’s generation must have felt f~~~ed over when they got blindsided by the changes in society and all their little princesses turned to demons soon as they realized the laws were so biased in their favor.
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