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Cataphract 2 years, 8 months ago.
Either tuna or baloney which will it be?
Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.
AnonymousVery Well Said ^^^^^^^^^^
MGTOW originated thousands of years ago because “the ideal woman” doesn’t exist.
27 With all my wisdom I have tried to find out how everything fits together, 28 but so far I have not been able to. I do know there is one good man in a thousand, but never have I found a good woman. Ecclesiastes 7: 28 CEV
This was written by King Solomon some 4,000 years ago. Men live in REALITY, and MGTOW recognize that REALITY and behave accordingly.
So, women between 100 AD and 1900 AD were good, or they were as bad as women of post-1900s?
The question seems to come from a non-red pill, and maybe not male.
what kind of society could suppress women’s bitchiness? In what kind of society do you give up to be MGTOW?
Woman nature is bad for men but all successful past societies had checks and systems to keep women instincts under control.
It is like saying that all dog puppies have bad instincts until they are trained to live inside a household.Almost any society from the past, before women were granted vote, would be OK.
– A man had responsibilities (protector, breadwinner, defender of the nation) but also had corresponding benefits for his heavy responsibilities: authority over women and kids, a mostly meritocratic work environment, the law was defending men from false accusations and white-men were innocent until proven guilty, and had freedom-of-speech.In particular:
– Men were respected and recognised as the creators of civilisation, as leader of the family, as (on average) smarter/stronger.
– Divorce, for no just cause, was practically non-existent, and women could not deny sex to their husbands.
– Rape accusations were possible only in case of real violence, and there were negative consequences for false accusations.
– There were very severe consequences for women having sex outside of marriage: both before marriage (women were mostly virgins until marriage), and after marriage (betrayal of the breadwinner, and children from non-husbands).
– Prostitution was allowed
– There were no state subsidies to divorce, single mothers, and lazy collectivists (only help to few people with real problems).
– There was no transfer of wealth from men to women in case of divorce
– Kids would stay with the father in case of divorce
– there were no quotas at work: it was more a meritocracy as opposed to equal-outcomeI am totally agree with you.
It means that you -as a MGTOW- accept bad instinctive puppies who are trained to live inside a household under social control. Me, too.
I think primitively. I just want to put babies in women’s bellies as much as I can.
Porchuk, how old are you? you know children should be seen, not heard, don’t you?
As I said above, I am 27. But I did’t get it. Seen? Heard?
LONG ANSWER:
If I would ever consider to have a women as a partner and have a family (which already sounds like hell), in real life:1) she should have higher-education (work in medical field doctor/nurse)
2) be at least 7-8/10 without makeup
3) be friendly, fun to be around, kind to people.Kinda short list and very much possible in my country, still I can’t see it happening as I enjoy living alone too much. I don’t think it’s possible to go back from ultimate/more freedom to less.
It’s impossible, as either I have the family and sacrifice my freedom for it, or I don’t. Also I would not go to any compromises about things I love doing or change anything about my life, I am happy with the life I have and don’t need the second-half to make me whole.
So, the more I think about it the less it’s possible to even consider having a women.
NO BENEFITS, MANY RISKS and TOO MUCH OF A COMPROMISE.So, as I understand, you don’t even think to change your society. And in your current society, you can only accept a woman: at least upper middle class, above average beauty, non-bitchiness, and plus obeying your freedom. I see…
non materialistic
not promiscuous
lying and manipulation are things she doesn’t understand
no male friends that want to bang her
no ex bf’s as friends
works as a partner
no land whales, or land whale wanna be’s
no kids from chad
no feminist or divorced females allowed within 10 milesThats my list of requirements for future female companionship. Good thing I like my own company.
Nice list. This woman is close to past traditional woman. Except working. So what do you think housewife? Do you accept a non-worker woman as a just a servant to you in your kingdom? I am asking this question because your list looks great to me except working.
The question doesn’t make sense. By definition, a MGTOW does not want to be related to a woman in any way. So the answer is none. It’s like asking what type of meat is ideal for a vegetarian.
Now, if you’re asking what type of woman would make a MGTOW give up his MGTOW ways…that’s different. For that, I can only personally. It isn’t so much about the woman as it is about the laws the govern relations between men and women. They would need to be equal, or at least a reasonable correlation between rights and responsibilities…and there are far from it in my country. At that point, I could consider the possibility of an ideal woman, as I think I could put up with some minimal crap. However, the test would still be about whether my life is better alone than with her…which is not an easy test to pass.
Like most of the questions about unicorns, your looking for a loophole, a way to cheat the system. Doesn’t exist.
I see. But the metaphor doesn’t look good. As I understand, MGTOW are not vegetarian. Otherwise, here would be like a gay club. But it is not. I think, MGTOW are carnivorous however they don’t accept stinky carrion meat. They refuse to eat this type meat. So I guess herbivore men idea is just temporary situation until these men find fresh meat.
When I was in US, I had to buy meat one times in Walmart. It was terrible. Its color was close to purple. So, I didn’t eat. It was too bad than meats in my country. Then, I had a chance to eat meat in a good restaurant in South Europe and I understand that meats in my country actually are not good as I think.
So, in my opinion, problem is that high quality meat is in very short supply. I mean high quality woman. Especially in western countries. And that’s why MGTOW refuse to eat meat. It is like “obligatory vegetarian”. I see.
I just want to reproduce. This is natural instinct of every human, or every animal, or every creature.
How many guys ever say this? Also note the avatar.
Every living being say this. After the avatar, look my signature. First picture, second video.
You say you want to put babies in women’s bellies, huh? Are you willing to sacrifice your personal freedom by getting 7 jobs to support said women and said babies?
I don’t want to sacrifice my personal freedom. Haha. Otherwise, I would be married for a long time now. But, it doesn’t change my natural desire. I don’t have to support women or babies unless they are in control of mine.
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Thank you guys who write their own views rationally unlike being rude. I just tried to ignore aggressors who attack me instead of saying their opinions.
Train your wife… Hilarious! Would make a feminist’s head explode.
Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.
AnonymousOnline dating unicorn-style profiles are as good as it gets, and it’s hogwash. More likely than not she’s painting herself a unicorn hoping to accumulate enough validation to provide her ego with the impetus it needs to reply “Sure, we can meet at my place.” to Chad Thunderc~~~. How ideal does that sound? Read her profile over and over again because that there in the written word is as good as it’ll ever get.
Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.
Porchuk,
An opionion generally constitues a non-evidence based assumption.
The way something might be. Most men here have been manipulated in a very calculated manner and not without or short of trying EVERYTHING with someone who didnt and negated the efforts manipulating the frustration.A fact, is, actual– something that corresponds to observation, expierience, and is without error in terms of explation.
Men didnt find their way here by accident or coincidence – fact
Something damaging enough happened commonly , the most common denominator was the women they engaged with.
If all of us had met the 20k women the others did apparently all of those relationships would have failed.
A desire to reproduce, sounds female.The benefit of the doubt you have natural sexual desires. I want kids but not with a women that will damage their souls. People dont recover from that.
I just didn’t know “denominator” word, and I learned. But I didn’t understand you except last line.
Reproduction desire maybe sounds female but you know well it is every creature’s desire. Yes, I want to kids with a non-psychotic woman. But I am really confused about you guys. Yes, your women are totally bitch. I also personally had observed them, of course not like you all. Also, our women also emulate them, etc.
First of all, you guys and I are different in some sense. You can call yourself as white male or caucasian male. But As man who was born in Caucasia and has pale skin, I don’t call you like that because I am actually white Caucasian Turkic man. lol whatever. You European or Euro-American men’s ancestor had built a good civilization between 1750 and 1950. That’s why I am writing in a European language. This civilization trammeled my ancestors but had also made strong them. As a result of that, I especially and really respect US independence mevement and the Founding Fathers. But, I don’t like all works of your ancestors, too. Blah, blah…
What I am saying is that your ancestors did very respectful jobs by using science and wisdom. But their descendant boys cannot control their women and they are just whiny. Worse one is that they don’t even think to change the system. (This paragraph is just provocative to waken you. lol)
I have learned many things thanks to internet which was made by European/Euro-American men. And also I have learning many thing from manosphere. Maybe you don’t agree that but I classified all these abbreviation like that.
TRP men are the person who begin to see that the new system manipulates/abuse/damage him. I am TRP (and I think you are TRP, too.).It is obvious that there is difference between red pill users and blue pill users. The second group is still asleep. For me, TRP has three sub-group.
1. PUA says that if the system wants to f~~~ me, I try to f~~~ her first.
2. MRA says that if the system is bad for me, men should behave like vixenish like feminists and get a share of cake.
3. MGTOW says that if the system’s rules are like these, I don’t want to play.That’s what I understand from manosphere. I see that these three approach have their own Pros and Cons. But none of them decides to change the system. These guys look like tired, exhausted, careless, etc. And I am asking myself and yourself: Why?
Why are European men so intimidated? Why don’t they fight to turn back to the good (or at least better) old days? Why are they still talking about sex equality? Why do they accept stupid terms like “gender” instead of sex? Why are they so quite or why do they just ignore the problem? Why? Why? Why? I have many question.
I believe that this misandric system can be changed. But men (especially european ones) should work hard to do that. I believe there should be the fourth approach in TRP, which is the combination of the first three ones. But its aim should be changing to system and making women submissive again. You don’t have to be president in order to change system. And I believe that even if you would be, you could not change the whole system easily.
But you can change the system by living it and raising the children who sustain it. That’s how you do it, not stand back and be a thing of the past. Don’t be Lester Burnham in American Beauty. And in order to do that, insubmissive men should build small communities to build his future. United States is a perfect country to do this and I don’t understand why don’t you begin to build own communities already in stead of being alone like “vagrant”. Think about Amish. You Euro-American men can build communities like them. I am not talking about religious fundamentalism or technologically impaired living. I am talking about creating civilization again and watching tailing of feminism/feminists. Thank to Wikipedia, I learned that their population was 9k in 1936. In 1976, their populatin was 57k. And in 2016, it was 308k. Can you imagine that? You guys can build conserved communities to expand your new insubmissive men’s society. And it will also affect other parts of the world. It is like the “safe space” view of stupid SJWs. But it is more powerful and real than it. lol.
Here a guideline for you:
1. Write a powerful, coherent and plain-living doctrine. And continue to develop it.
2. Build your small community with men like you and protect it against “liberal”, feminist, SJW, mangina, etc.
3. Find a submissive woman (do not care so much for beauty) and force her to obey you.
4. Make babies like a rabbit and raise all of them according to your doctrine.
5. Support other insubmissive men and communities. And recruit men in progress of time.Here you go. Be a real man and don’t disappoint your ancestors.
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