Question about America

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I’m sitting here watching the Republican Convention, and I realize that Americans like to talk a lot about what a great nation we are. This question is more for the guys who aren’t American, but of course everyone’s opinions are welcome.

So, a few questions for you guys:

1. How is American viewed outside the US? Are we a good friend or an obnoxious overbearing country?

2. Are we an ally with your interests at heart, or do we push our ideology on other countries?

3. Do we seem to vote against ours and your best interest?

4. Do you prefer when we vote for a Democrat or a Republican? Not necessarily in this election, but in general.

I’m just curious how you guys view my country from your self interest.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Order the good wine

[HitmanParticipant]

Hmmm..I’m American, but I know lots of people who have come here from many different countries.
They’re here because they want a better life.
They compare and complain but all agree America is the land of opportunities.

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

TaxGuy wrote:

I’m sitting here watching the Republican Convention, and I realize that Americans like to talk a lot about what a great nation we are. This question is more for the guys who aren’t American, but of course everyone’s opinions are welcome.

So, a few questions for you guys:

1. How is American viewed outside the US? Are we a good friend or an obnoxious overbearing country?

2. Are we an ally with your interests at heart, or do we push our ideology on other countries?

3. Do we seem to vote against ours and your best interest?

4. Do you prefer when we vote for a Democrat or a Republican? Not necessarily in this election, but in general.

I’m just curious how you guys view my country from your self interest.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Also American, and the answer to all of those questions is “Yes”. We do and are all those things, to different people, for different reasons, all at the same time.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

I’m an American as well. From Virginia. It’ll be interesting to see what our men-bers from elsewhere have to say.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Tiga K wrote:

It’ll be interesting to see what our men-bers from elsewhere have to say.

I’m on it. So here we go (and I will say this after having been over there for a visit at least once):

TaxGuy wrote:

How is American viewed outside the US?

Overall positive (my personal view). During the G.W. era in the early 2000s mind you it was slightly less positive.

TaxGuy wrote:

Are we a good friend or an obnoxious overbearing country?

I’d say, mostly the former of the two.

TaxGuy wrote:

Are we an ally with your interests at heart, or do we push our ideology on other countries?

Generally I’d wager the former is mostly true and as for the latter: that can also be applicable depending on the subject. Culturally most things get imported from oversees eventually: the good as well as the bad.

TaxGuy wrote:

Do we seem to vote against ours and your best interest?

Hence, I dunno about that (see above).

TaxGuy wrote:

Do you prefer when we vote for a Democrat or a Republican? Not necessarily in this election, but in general.

Honestly , I can’t tell, that’d be a tricky one, but safe for in the current setup: do steer well clear of voting in Clinton for obvious reasons, because I simply know what I’m talking about here and soon enough so will the UK do (again) as well…

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[Anonymous 1]

well i’m American too but I was born and raised in Mexico, because you know, America is best known as a continent.

[Anonymous 24]

TaxGuy wrote:

1. How is American viewed outside the US? Are we a good friend or an obnoxious overbearing country?

I am sure to those in the Mid East that are not in Israel, we are Satan incarnate considering how the U.S. has been raping and pillaging for 14 years straight now with no end in sight. If you are in Israel, and reaping the benefits of having the world’s biggest military destroying those around you that you want destroyed at no cost to you, and getting the most in foreign aid since 76 even though you are very small country that is already very wealthy, we are the best goys in the world…

[experiencedParticipant]

TaxGuy wrote:

I’m sitting here watching the Republican Convention, and I realize that….

Perhaps everything you’d been recently hearing was in fact programming.
Ask the foot soldier whose friend committed suicide when his wife divorced him.
Ask the newly released prisoner aviator whose wife didn’t tell him she’d filed for divorce til he got all the way home vs. when he called her enroute.
Ask probably many men on this site: I tried to find the video wherein Lurch from the Adams Family makes his uneasy guttural groan.

Proverbs chapter 5

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[hollowtipsParticipant 681]

1. It’s a extremely corrupt society, however we Canadian know the only thing keeping any nation from from rolling over us and taking Canada is that America is on our underbelly and would annihilate anyone who tried to take their conveniently close resource capital chum. The only reason I’d live in the states is because taxes are getting so bad in Canada Baby Boomers are literally crushing us. I would say Obama went a great lengths improving the U.S’s social relations but that’s about to all go down the drain if trump does even half of what he’s promised. I sincerely hope you people are prepared for a civil war. You people come across as crazy and power crazed. I personally desire freedom over power. Your Mexican immigration problem is beyond your control at this point building a wall wont do s~~~ for you now when they make up 15-20% of the population.

2. You completely push your ideologies onto us, we’re to impressionable. Canada might as well be a much more tame version of the U.S mostly due to the fact that it’s difficult to acquire a gun and theirs little racial diversability. 10% of the population might be a combination of Asian, Black, Indian and First Nation, the other 90% is White. I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future Canada and the U.S fused to make one super nation. And yes you do protect us technically from foreign threats but you’re nearly as great of a threat to our way of life and have been absolutely gobbling our resources up. Hell Drake is from Canada but everyone still thinks he’s american. Probably the biggest thing to come out of Canada. In any conflict when the U.S becomes involved it tends to become much worse, you people need to stop trying to control affairs on a global scale and need to work on poverty and modern advancements in your own country. Japan and China are about to double lap you.

3. The best interest of Canada and the U.S has pandered to the rich for decades if not centuries and with this election going down between Trump and Hilary it seems as though you’ve decided to self destruct and take as many as you can down with you. If the U.S really had Canada’s best interests they’d complete NAFTA and remove the trading border taxes and tithes that have been imposed until this point.

4. Could care less about Democrats or Republicans, as long as they aren’t another spineless leaders whose interests serve the majority of people thats what matters most. We voted for Trudea because he was young and seem to have a good character we liked him. So far he’s sold out the middle class and is killing the working class, people already want another prime minister in less than a year.

If you guys don’t seem to realize diverse cultures are great at stimulating the economy and thats why you guys have stayed at the top for so long, a huge chunk of your population is Black and Hispanic, you’re one of the most diverse nations on the planet and a true melting pot. At times I’m surprised by how well everyone gets along and I believe you’ll always remain a superpower. You need to fix racial relations fast and stop fighting amongst yourselves. Don’t let Trump f~~~ you over.

[ATLANTISParticipant 119]

I’m Australian and I still don’t understand how politics work, let alone America’s (no idea why it takes you guys forever and a day to get a new leader when for us it can happen overnight).

Anyhoo, I came across this YouTube video from the opening scene of a TV show called “The Newsroom” starring Jeff Daniels, and although I didn’t understand all of it, it’s quite captivating.

Why America is NOT the greatest country in the world.

[Anonymous 42]

America and liberty are at odds with each other at the moment. Our greatness (believe it or not) came from the spirits of oppressed men, they chose freedom over life itself. Now they choose the illusion of security over life itself.

I live in a 1968 promised private residential housing subdivision.

Fact is it was molested and condemned by law from those in power in 1974, it was transformed into a legal condemned family campground and has been deteriorating ever since.

By 1997 the officials jetted into action to cover their asses from potential liability, just as the state has with mountains of new laws drafted on top of, over, and amending the subdivision control act and Zoning of 1966.

No one from the state has acknowelaged the plight of the fools that actually have to live under this gauntlet of destructive and inhumane laws and orders.

America died in 1974 was transformed to a tyrannical beast by 1997 when this entire condemned development was roped off and legally closed by the letter of the law.

America is facing a bigger molestation of a higher law where angles preside. These laws came in on the wings of feminism and are ravaging this nation from its core foundation.

America is dead and has been for a long long time.
We’re now a nation of laws that destroy liberty and promote death.

Thanks feminism, where are all the good men you ask? Running for their god damned lives!
In America freedom is dead, “if not” dying. Therefore America is terminally ill and dying with limbs that are already maggot infested and rotting away.

I live on just such a limb.

Judgment day there will be justice. I pray for forgiveness to wash my hands of the blood of the innocent.

America is turning into a living hell.

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

I don’t know if you are searching for an answer from a mgtow perspective but if you do a general search on the web you will find a lot of articles regarding this topic. A lot of people from around the world like Americans but hate the way their leaders treat both its people and the rest of the world as a resource to be exploited through military and political force. There are a lot of good things that come from America and a lot of bad things as well so you will get different extremes of views regarding this topic.

I know in Europe during the Bosnia war America was hated by everyone involved. The same can be said of other countries where America has gone to war or had a direct hand in causing problems for its people. I have read of Americans putting Canadian flags on their backpacks and saying they were Canadian when traveling to avoid people who were negative toward Americans. Personally I love American and American people but if you were to ask me 15 years ago I would of had a different story to tell because I saw personally what people went through during my visits to Serbia and Bosnia after the war took place. Nothing good came from any war. Funny thing is the same thing is happening to Europe now and people are afraid to protect their borders because of what went down in the former Yugoslavia. America called it ethnic cleansing when in fact it was just Yugoslavia trying to protect their land from Muslim migrants who flooded into Bosnia and tried to take over a predominantly Orthodox Christian land. A lot of very old churches were in Bosnia and sacred to Serbian people.

The US went to war not to save lives but because of the resource rich area they wanted to control and to build a huge American military base near Russia. Those were the real reason for that war and everyone with a brain knew that and other countries including Canada helped America achieve that goal but America will always be the ones blamed. When the same thing happened earlier in Lebanon or later in Sudan where was America to help those people when the Muslims were doing it? Not enough resources and no strategic value to help was the reason for their silence on the matter.

If it wasn’t for Israel the Christian people of Lebanon would have all been slaughtered and Lebanon converted to a Muslim nation. So you can see when a policeman picks and chooses who he will protect based on the resources and what they can provide them in order to get that protection a lot of hate rises from that. America is viewed as a world superpower policeman with an agenda and that is why this question will always come up.

[RumParticipant 59]

I am not American.

1. How is American viewed outside the US? Are we a good friend or an obnoxious overbearing country?

Obnoxious overbearing country with a society that rubs me the wrong way. However I do like to make a distinction between goverment, the landscape itself and the people living there.

2. Are we an ally with your interests at heart, or do we push our ideology on other countries?

Certainly not an ally with the interests of my country at heart. However, I can say the same thing about my own goverment.

3. Do we seem to vote against ours and your best interest?

Yes. But thats modern democracy and politics for you.

4. Do you prefer when we vote for a Democrat or a Republican? Not necessarily in this election, but in general.

Indifference really. Different hat, same s~~~.

I’m just curious how you guys view my country from your self interest.

Country is nice, if you stay away from the s~~~holes. People in general are nice, if you avoid the usual suspects and are used to the cultural differences in behaviour. It is just the state and modern society that is the problem, more so than other countries.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught falsehoods in school. And the person that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool. -Plato

[KillmandrillParticipant 497]

Really good thread!
It´s good to see people like you TaxGuy, being at least curious about how people from other nations think about the USA.
Was born in the USA , raised, educated and living in Germany. Always been sceptical about the USA (but also about Germany and other nations and their politics). Love the landscapes,the vast open less populated spaces and most of the people I´ve met over there. I´m planning to go for a big trip through the States next year.

1. How is American viewed outside the US? Are we a good friend or an obnoxious overbearing country?

The glamour of the saviour in WW2 has washed off, due to all the other conflicts that the USA has gotten into thereafter. A good friend not really. Imo the USA (the government) often gets into (or creates) conflicts without minding the outcome and then the big surprise comes. Overbearing yes, but obnoxious not really.

2. Are we an ally with your interests at heart, or do we push our ideology on other countries?

The last time the USA has been acting like having interests of someone else at heart was WW2, later it has become pushing an ideology onto others. That could be due to the uprising of socialism/communism after WW2 and thereafter the politics in the USA just got accustomed to pushing their interests secretly or openly.

3. Do we seem to vote against ours and your best interest?

Neither here nor in the USA I think you have a real chance to vote for the right thing, the promises made before the elections turn void once the winning party is in charge. Our interests don´t matter they are just a measurement of convincing us whom to vote for, later they become irrelevant.

4. Do you prefer when we vote for a Democrat or a Republican? Not necessarily in this election, but in general.

See question 3, it is just to decide about the lesser evil. I just confirm the existing “democracy” in its lack of democracy with my vote. It´s deciding about this s~~~ or that feces.

I´m neither pro nor contra the USA, it´s my birthplace and part of my existence/heritage. I´ll never get German nor be a true American, here I´m the American, in the USA I´m the German.
Often got to hear how s~~~ty the USA were for doing this or that from people who knew I was American. On the other hand the USA are often admired for certain achievements they have done or other treasures the country has to bear, there is still a lot of people who see the USA the land of their dreams.

P.S If the USA go for Trump they at least have the most stupid looking and acting president, or at least he is on a level like Ahmadinejad or Erdogan. (I know I am not alone with this impression). If they go for Hillary they got their first female president just like Germany´s Angela Merkel who screwed up the country to the worse. Yet they all are only puppets.

Why do the most politicians haven´t even studied politics? (Just wondering)

Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent. Friedrich Nietzsche

[ConstantineParticipant 4420]

1. You can be both. There are many, many things that I admire about America, but the country has made some mistakes aswell. But then again every country has shadier chapters in their histories, I think that human beings in general can have similar tendencies wherever you go.

2. Again, kind of both. America is prone to pushing their ideas onto others, yes, but I think that a portion of that stems from wanting to create a better life for everyone, at least in theory.

3. Well what’s the subject?

4. Depends. There have been some great Republican leaders over the years – Lincoln was a Republican. I think that the Republican party have received an unfair reputation; they’re often accused of homophobia and antisemitism, but remember that Bush promised a decrease in taxes, so a lot of the electorate would have been won over by that. When your tax dollars are going towards prison cells and single mothers, you can’t begrudge somebody for wanting to hold onto them. It really lends itself to the candidate themselves.

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Rhino wrote:

I don’t know if you are searching for an answer from a mgtow perspective but if you do a general search on the web you will find a lot of articles regarding this topic

The reason I ask the question here is because I view this group as the most intelligent collection of men I have ever encountered. And we don’t pull punches. I wanted the truth from an intelligent group of men and I am getting it.

Thank you to everyone who took the time to comment.

I’ve always voted for one of the two major candidates. Some Democrat and some Republicans. The truth is my state will vote for Hillary no matter what my vote is. I’m seriously considering voting for the Gary Johnson this year as a protest vote. I would like to send a message to the two parties that they both failed this cycle to produce a “good” candidate, whatever that is. I know my one vote won’t matter there either and they won’t hear my message, but I do take voting seriously. It just seems to me that neither party has taken my vote seriously this time.

I’ve seen the Jeff Daniels scene before, and I tip my hat to the person who wrote that. One of the most honest speeches I’ve seen.

Order the good wine

[Anonymous 24]

TaxGuy wrote:

I’m seriously considering voting for the Gary Johnson this year as a protest vote.

I think Ron Paul was the last real chance this country had at some actual change. I will be voting Libertarian for the rest of my life. Johnson has my vote this time around, I see the argument of it being a “wasted vote” as an absolute joke, and see it as a wasted vote when I get sucked into the lesser of two evils game… To me having my tax dollars go to killing people in other countries who did nothing to me makes me sick to my stomach, I cannot support either of the two big parties at this point, they do not want peace, or, who controls them does not want peace…

The two party system is a joke, I believe nothing they say at this point.

The only way to ease the fires is to stop providing the arsonists with gasoline.

In all honesty, I think it was game over long ago, those behind the scenes will continue to get what they want no matter what, we are just along for the ride. Collectively the masses are to dumb and easily divided and led into whatever bulls~~~ it is the moneymen are selling as the solution.

Collectivism is mankinds biggest enemy, as there will always be forces that guide the masses in directions that will be unfavorable for all but the very few who are doing the guiding…

[Anonymous 3]

I’m not American, and I’d avoid at all costs to even travel there, you have too much guns and shootings. I’m especially afraid of your police, they kill the most people. (Here, only really armed terrorists are shot.)

For your voting, I’d not vote a woman in front of the steering wheel of the country. but seriously, both of the candidates seem too extreme for me. Your only hope is that on lower levels of government you can still have some good and smart people who do know what to do.

Also, you don’t have any free university. In my life I’d never have had a chance to become what I am now, I choose science because I loved it, way before I knew how much I might earn while doing it. You lose a lot of talents who don’t have the money or risk the student loans. In my country, the university is free if you have good grades (or the state pays you a few 100 bucks monthly if you are very good), but those with bad grades got redirected among the paying students (and good paying students will learn for free) so everything depends on how good you are, not on how rich parents you have or how much student loan you risk taking up.
But of course, all university education should be equally hard, I dislike gender-bulls~~~ subjects what bitches do in university.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

TaxGuy:
With regard to questions 1 and 2, there was a book a dozen years ago that covered material relevant to this.

Chalmers Johnson
Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire.
January 2004

Check the description and reviews on Amazon.com for more information.

[GuerillaParticipant 26]

Am living in Australia, However was born in Italy. for some context.

1. How is America viewed outside the US? Are we a good friend or an obnoxious overbearing country?
I don’t think America is liked among Australians or Italians, that’s the sentiment that I get anyway. Most Australians think that your government is war hungry, and that Americas aren’t the brightest bunch.

2. Are we an ally with your interests at heart, or do we push our ideology on other countries?
Well Australia and the U.S are defiantly allies. As for having our interests at heart, I don’t really know what you mean. The U.S most certainly don’t have the interests of the Australian people at heart, but you don’t seem to have the interests of your own people at heart either so..

3. Do we seem to vote against ours and your best interest?
Yes, I think most Australians and Italians are highly skeptical of exactly who U.S operations benefit.

4. Do you prefer when we vote for a Democrat or a Republican? Not necessarily in this election, but in general.
I think people across the globe are a little confused about politics on home soil, let alone in the U.S. I would be surprised if most Australians or Italians could name a single candidate other then Trump or Clinton. That being said Australians and Italians seem to like more liberal candidates.

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