Quality of Management has declined

[GeraldParticipant 3631]

I am a middle manager at the company I work for. I’ve been a manager now for a few years, at a few different companies. What I have noticed over the past few years here at this company is the quality of management has declined. I realize we’re all supposed to be ‘leaders’ not managers, but even those who have been managers for a long time act like they have never heard of basic management concepts. The lack of ability to speak, lack of ability to write coherently, and total lack of accountability are staggering. The fact that these people get ahead by deflecting work away from themselves… just astounds me.

I grew to be a manager, I learned about business through living it and being mentored by true leaders, and I aspire to improve every day. Thus, I read books, study process and educational things, went and achieved my MBA… etc. etc. etc… where has the drive gone to improve in society today? How can these senior executives not just fire these idiots at every turn? Ugh… sorry just venting my frustration

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[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

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[BoarParticipant]

I have experienced similar declines. For the ones I saw, it due to promoting people that would cause the HR department the fewest headaches. In other words, people that would not actually lead or hold others (whimyn) accountable, but would toe the line and say “Yes Ma’am.”

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[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Boar wrote:

For the ones I saw, it due to promoting people that would cause the HR department the fewest headaches. In other words, people that would not actually lead or hold others (whimyn) accountable, but would toe the line and say “Yes Ma’am.”

Excellent observation. This is a facet I had not considered until now, & I think you’re spot on. Thanks for the insights.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22558]

While affirmative action took a hit on quality employment at all level. The real destroyer of quality management was when companies stopped training and promoting from within, and instead hired ivy league elitists for quick fixes and raiding companies for a quick buck at the expensive of the American people.

Mercenaries, which is what the ivy league elitists are, have no loyalty to those organizations they are hired to work for.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Faust For Science wrote:

The real destroyer of quality management was when companies stopped training and promoting from within,

I agree on both points, provided both elements are there. If you promote from within without the training you wind up with a good-ol boy situation whereby a promoted skilled worker has no clue how to manage people, policies, procedures and is unaware of liabilities he can create by mismanaging things like like safety, environmental compliance, budgeting and forecasting. It is costly to provide that level of training, and requires a huge commitment from upper management since results can be delayed by years.
If you cant, you hire outside but this happens

Faust For Science wrote:

While affirmative action took a hit on quality employment at all level.

Choosing the 5th best person for the job to meet an Affirmative Action mandate is discrimination of a reverse nature and hurts everyone in the company, and the company’s bottom line as well.

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[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

In the corporate world it’s screwed. You have to have a “champion”. Companies are so large that competence is not valued. An owner of a company survives or dies on the competence of his decisions. Now days it’s just the president trying to make it a few more years to the Golden retirement. Send everything to Mexico and layoff thousands to make it happen. Got to love a bunch of leaders sitting around the boardroom table discussing human beings lives. Do we keep him or launch him? LAUNCH him, yeahhhhhhhhh.

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[KeymasterKeymaster]

Gerald wrote:

Ugh… sorry just venting my frustration

And I’m nodding. Believe me. For all the reasons you mentioned.

Managers are too often know-nothings who can’t actually DO the work themselves, and I wonder how the f~~~ they even get the job. You need to be able to know how it’s done before you can direct others to do it – otherwise take a f~~~ing back seat.

On a few separate occasions, I found myself having to EXPLAIN MY JOB to the “manager” I was expected to answer to…. to the point where I would bite my tongue so I wouldn’t blurt out “just GO AWAY, you’re slowing down production”.

They actually STAND IN THE WAY of getting s~~~ done.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KillmandrillParticipant 497]

Yep, my observations are likely, lots of managers just celebrate themselves.

Though in my last job I had a real good manager, a good planner, good with the people, able to motivate and a good speaker/writer and he knew what he was doing (degreed engineer of computer sciences)… but I see him as a sort of exception, never met anyone likely, not before and not thereafter.

Nowadays most managers are only good in f~~~ing the secretaries, that´s all.

Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent. Friedrich Nietzsche

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Faust For Science wrote:

Mercenaries, which is what the ivy league elitists are, have no loyalty to those organizations they are hired to work for.

As one of those Ivy League elitists, I must protest. If they are Ivy league, it must be the dregs. In my experience, it’s more often that they played golf at the right county club. Most Ivy leagers are smart enough not to get involved in the first place with companies that operate like this.

Keymaster wrote:

On a few separate occasions, I found myself having to EXPLAIN MY JOB to the “manager” I was expected to answer to….

Or as I like to call it: Tuesday.

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[Oz-BlokeParticipant 3233]

Once again, Keymaster nails it –

Keymaster wrote:

Managers are too often know-nothings who can’t actually DO the work themselves, and I wonder how the f~~~ they even get the job. You need to be able to know how it’s done before you can direct others to do it – otherwise take a f~~~ing back seat.

So true. That said, I now have a new male manager who now commands our respect because he’s done what we do and is in the trenches fighting with senior management for the equipment and training we ask for.

My former line-manager was a female who couldn’t do a single one of her underlings’ jobs but was promoted through ‘who she knew not what she knew’. Our respect comes irrespective of gender – if they can roll-up their sleeves (or skirt), jump into the coalface and pitch in at busy times or when people are off sick, then they are alright by me. That said, I’ve never seen a woman do that.

From my recent observations though, senior management goes something like this –

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