Putting Nice Guys Under the Microscope

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Hi broz. Today I want to talk about nice guys.

Here is something that basically every feminist has said at least once: “Every man who calls himself a ‘nice guy’ turns out to be a loser who begs for sex. I no longer trust men who call themselves ‘nice’.”

I will admit that some men are actually like this. Anyone who has visited love-shy.com or r/incels knows what I am talking about.

That being said, I don’t think that all nice guys are like this. This topic will be only mildly anti-feminist … but I still need to post it here. In this historical epoch, saying something mildly anti-feminist is inappropriate unless you are on an anti-feminist website.

Yeah, some nice guys are just horny douchebags who beg for pussy. Of course many of these nice guys might be literally mentally ill. We all know that a woman likes a man who is assertive, but it is often hard for a man to be assertive if his self-confidence has been destroyed by abuse. Of course, some of these guys might want a deeper relationship with a woman … they just aren’t sure how to get that sort of thing.

Overall, feminists seem to think that a nice guy is fake unless he can spew feminist dogma without grimacing. In other words, feminists think that your nice behavior is fake unless you are in the same league as David Futrelle or Steve Shives.

Overall, I think that we need to look at nice guys with a more critical eye … because feminists never will.

This may sound hypocritical because we believe in AWALT … but feminists started saying “all nice guys are bastards” before we invented AWALT.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

The thing I have about nice guys is that they might be nice to chicks, but they are assholes to other guys in the vicinity, even if they aren’t interested in the piece of pussy he is chasing. Their personalities never seem to be constant.

I have a friend who was that way- he’d be the biggest computer guy I’d know but if you caught him around the presence of a female- all of a sudden he hates anything techy or related to being smart. Needless to say, I distanced myself from him.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[Anonymous 54]

I’m not sure how one measures these things. What bitches consider nice would be different than my deffinition.C~~~s just want to be mean.Im a nice guy,but you wouldn’t want to F~~~ with me either.They just want to humiliate guys that arnt confident.C~~~s. Being a nice guy is ALWAYS the right thing to do. Who care what bitches think.

[TuneoutParticipant]

I think we need a definition for ‘nice’

It can mean being a doormat or human Tampon to some

while others see it as polite,respectful BUT assertive

at the same time.

The fine line is waking between a doormat and a

overbearing prick

Once you realize that you can’t please everyone and not

everybody will like you or agree with what you say,

then it’s easier to speak your mind in a respectfully

assertive way.

I guess to me thats what being nice is- a gentlemanly asshole.

He can tell you off but in such a way that you respect him for it.

Whereas the Trad ‘nice guy’ well just get him a leash.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[Anonymous 54]

Tuneout wrote:

I think we need a definition for ‘nice’

polite,respectful BUT assertive

He can tell you off but in such a way that you respect him for it.

This works for me.Sounds like KM the master of such things!

[Anonymous 18]

The feminist hate on nice guys is simply preservation of self-image. She doesn’t want to just use the nice guy as emotional tampon, it’s easier to justify that he only wanted to f~~~ her. From then on the hamster is justified in abusing his emotional vulnerability for support while she spreads her legs for the not-so-nice guys.

If all nice guys are bastards, why is there a cry over ‘where have nice men gone?’. Most were bastards to begin with, no?

Nice guy is utility who projects his feelings on a woman, and when is used for his resources, he is left wondering, ‘why do no girls like me?’

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Jackinov wrote:

The thing I have about nice guys is that they might be nice to chicks, but they are assholes to other guys in the vicinity, even if they aren’t interested in the piece of pussy he is chasing. Their personalities never seem to be constant.

I have a friend who was that way- he’d be the biggest computer guy I’d know but if you caught him around the presence of a female- all of a sudden he hates anything techy or related to being smart. Needless to say, I distanced myself from him.

Why would a guy do that?
I guess guys who are raised by werehyaenas tend to seek out werehyaenas.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I am a shy , autistic, introvert, nice guy. Yes I wanted sex from women. I also wanted an emotional connection, and love.

If you are nice to women you are a creep. If you slap them around or steal from them you are an asshole. Men can’t win .

Just walk away.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Great topic.

I think it’s important to make the distinction between “nice” — and being a “nice guy”.
I am definitely NOT a “nice guy”, but I AM nice.

Let’s butcher the “nice guy” for a moment:

Nice guys actually think they are BETTER than other guys because they are so nice to women. But when you are being “nice” in order to get someone to LIKE you more… you are being manipulative.

“Nice guys” practically fall over themselves to shower women in unearned attention, “respect”, dinners, gifts, generosity, time, compliments and adoration. They seek female approval and make offers to purchase her attention and affection, and they are always nice, kind, generous and understanding —>>> no matter what the circumstances, or her behavior.

When it doesn’t work out and girls don’t fall on their backs for these “nice guys” who jump through hoops for female attention and affection…. they are usually left scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.

But even SHE knows she doesn’t deserve it.
And therefore, she doesn’t respect the “nice guy” for it.

“Jerks” don’t actually treat women badly. Jerks are just guys who refuse to extend women any unearned courtesy, worship or adoration for no reason. And compared to a “nice guy”, we look like misogynist dickhead jerks. But we’re not.

I don’t need to treat a woman badly to be called a misogynist/dickhead/s~~~lord/jerk. All I need to do is refuse to put up with her CRAP. A woman could ask me for a favor, and if I say “no” she’s gonna call me a jerk and ask me if I’m sure I’m not gay. How insane is that?

When a woman pouts and behaves like a bitch, nice guys always ask: “What’s wrong sweetie?” like her problem is his to fix. But a man with his s~~~ together simply asks: “Why are you behaving like a complete bitch?” and points out that the problem is hers.

I have too much self respect to never kneel down at a woman’s feet as I hold up a diamond mined by a child and mounted on a platinum band to make an offer to purchase her permission to allow me to love her until death. That concept makes me sick, and women will call me a “jerk” for saying that. But it doesn’t mean I treated her badly. I just refuse to worship her and LOWER myself in the process in the way a nice guy would.

Now in defense of the “nice guy”……

I have occasionally slipped and been the nice guy who made offers to purchase female attention and affection with generosity, great efforts, unearned adoration, attention and time, but eventually I snapped out of it. BECAUSE IT DOES. NOT. WORK.

The only reason I would give the nice guy a break and not punish myself, is because women actually told me that being the “nice guy” would eventually pay off. I made the mistake of listening to them because I thought it was the right thing to do, even when I believed in my heart that it wasn’t.

Then I figured out what women really mean when they say it will eventually “pay off”.

It doesn’t pay off for YOU.
It only “pays off” for HER.

That’s why women come after the nice guy later. So she can collect a “pay off”.

That about covers it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

I’m a nice guy to other guys.

I stopped being a nice guy to wimminz.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

In a sense what keymaster just said here is an essential mgtow lesson 101 (once again):

Women are master manipulators and (because they are) master projectors of their own insecurities and/or flaws onto others around them at the same time and whenever it fits their current situation to be fixed into any direction imaginable.

That’s why they hardly ever would respect the nice guy (somehow knowing not to deserve the nearly always “nice” treatment by him), because they project their own manipulative nature straight onto him, probably even subconsciously.

Now correct me if I’m wrong.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[GrumpyParticipant]

I used to think I was a nice guy when I was younger based on feed back on how I was such a great catch, such a nice guy, such a sweetheart, and a whole bunch of other bulls~~~ statements from women.
Ironically I ended up in debt, and not such a nice guy anymore.

I figured out on my own that I was actually an asshole.
I’m and asshole when I am polite, respectful, and civil.
I’m an asshole if I defend others, and when I stand my ground.
I’m an asshole whether I am right or wrong.
I’m and asshole for being silent, or speaking my mind.
I’m an asshole when I am in a relationship or not.

No difference as its really not about me being nice or being an asshole. It’s always about someone (mostly women) wanting something from me that I refuse to give it to them.

Id rather be an asshole with sole agency of ALL my resources, than a nice guy handing them out like smarties.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Grumpy wrote:

I figured out on my own that I was actually an asshole.
I’m and asshole when I am polite, respectful, and civil.
I’m an asshole if I defend others, and when I stand my ground.
I’m an asshole whether I am right or wrong.
I’m and asshole for being silent, or speaking my mind.
I’m an asshole when I am in a relationship or not.

A nice guy will be treated like an asshole no matter what he does. Women will even tell him (or break up with him) because he’s “too nice”.

Eventually the nice guy will say “F~~~ it. Since I am going to be treated like an asshole no matter what I do, then I may as well just go ahead and BE an asshole.”

This gives women plausible deniability and the ability to say “see? he really wasn’t a nice guy after all”. Which is bulls~~~ of course. He treated her better than even she thinks she deserves.

If you buy me flowers, you’re after something. If you don’t, you’re not thoughtful”.

“I got a better one for you. Why don’t you just f~~~ off.”

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I think I’m saying the essentially the same thing as Key, but there’s a difference between being a nice person and a “nice guy”. The “nice guy” s~~~ with women is just their way of trying to get in a girl’s pants. Put them on the pedestal and think that she will appreciate it. But he isn’t really a nice person, he’s just using the “nice guy” playbook to get in a girl’s pants. It’s a long play and hardly ever pays off, but Ducky thinks he’ll eventually get the girl.

Now, a nice person just does what they do because they are essentially nice by nature. To men or women, without expectation in return. Until someone screws you over anyway.

I am a nice person, but I don’t play the “nice guy” to get in a girl’s pants. The reason girls bitch about the nice guy is because:

1. They can’t tell the difference between a nice person and a nice guy.
2. They can, but they just want to use the nice guy while bitching about him to the hive. Then the hive can help her justify extracting resources from him to teach him a lesson. She’s doing him a favor.

Take your pick, but I’m going with Door #2.

Order the good wine

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Gentle as a dove but shrewd as a snake.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

TaxGuy wrote:

But he isn’t really a nice person, he’s just using the “nice guy” playbook to get in a girl’s pants. It’s a long play and hardly ever pays off, but Ducky thinks he’ll eventually get the girl.

We can’t really fault the guy for that, because women work very hard to MISLEAD men into thinking that’s what they need to do to get some tail.

“I want a nice guy”
“I want a guy who knows how to make me feel special”
“I want a guy who will call me beautiful instead of hot.”
“Who will call me back when I hang up on him.”
“I want him to kiss my forehead and tell me how lucky he is.”
“There will no nookie unless…..”

I s~~~ you not. That’s the kind of GARBAGE women spew. And men listen to it not knowing it will never work. Then she says “you’re too nice” and f~~~s someone else, he has no f~~~ing idea what just happened.

The single worst mistake a man can make in his life is to listen to women.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Keymaster wrote:

I think it’s important to make the distinction between “nice” — and being a “nice guy”.
I am definitely NOT a “nice guy”, but I AM nice.

Exactly. Someone who is “nice” will not tolerate bulls~~~. He will simply walk away.

For someone who is “nice”, being “nice” is just a tactic to get through live easier with little problems. Someone that is “nice” is only being “nice” to prevent from getting into problems. Someone who is “nice” is not going to beg for pussy. More than likely a man that is “nice” is not going to look for a woman because he knows a woman is nothing but trouble.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

We can’t really fault the guy for that, because women work very hard to MISLEAD men into thinking that’s what they need to do to get some tail.

True. I only fault the guy for being naïve enough to believe that s~~~. I was only trying to point out that there’s a difference between being a truly nice person and someone that uses the “nice guy” bulls~~~ to try to get laid.

The crazy one that actually works sometimes is pretending to be a friend and then screwing over the boyfriend. They start out with “I’m sure you’re just misunderstanding the situation. He seems like he’s a good guy.” Then it turns into “I don’t understand. You’re such a great woman, any guy would be so lucky to be with you. I don’t know what’s wrong with him.” And then eventually he’s dicking her b~~~~ deep.

Not that I’ve ever had that happen to me….. Good god women are stupid.

Order the good wine

[Anonymous 3]

Found these gems since I’m trying to see if there’s some hope left for men in the Church.

But no.

http://www.boundless.org/blog/nice-guys-offer/

“To the Nice Guy,

I see you. I know you spend more time staring at your ceiling than into the eyes of the woman you can’t stop thinking about. I do the same thing.

I know that ache in your gut and the feelings of loneliness. You just want someone to appreciate The Office as much as you do. You want an ice cream sharer, an inside-joke teller and a church-pew sitter.

So do I, brother. So do I.

But I’m learning something about this time of singleness that may be helpful for you: Your wife is not at the end of your road. Being single and making my future wife the prize of my twenties only ends with debilitating paralysis. I become unable to move on to other adventures, goals or accomplishments until marriage is achieved.

I’m learning my twenties are so much larger than marriage. I’m preparing to move across the country and start a new season in a new city. I’m pursuing a graduate degree and a career in writing. I have marathons to train for and youth groups to serve in. I’m so much more than simply a nice guy looking for a nice girl — and so are you.

So here’s my advice: Pursue your passions. Code those computers, sketch those portraits, write those screenplays. Try new coffee shops, and say “yes” to what makes you uncomfortable. Cultivate courage. Set goals for yourself, hard goals that force you to stretch more than you imagined possible. And in the meantime, go on blind dates, be brave (and risky) enough to ask out a friend, live in community, and even when it’s hard keep being a nice guy.

Strive to be a man of God, and find life abundant in Him, not a woman.

Love, Drew”

–Author of the article

Get the f~~~ outta my face with that s~~~. God damn I’m done with the church.

http://www.boundless.org/blog/give-us-guys-break/

[Anonymous 3]

I am a shy , autistic, introvert, nice guy. Yes I wanted sex from women. I also wanted an emotional connection, and love.

If you are nice to women you are a creep. If you slap them around or steal from them you are an asshole. Men can’t win .

Just walk away.

I tried to be a nice guy. Then I got rejected and moved on. Then I tried being nice to myself. Then I felt so much better. And now I don’t a rats ass about women, unless they change completely and be nice to me, but I don’t see that happening ever.

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