Putin is Contributing to the Refugee Crisis

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Hi everyone. I’d like to take a minute to talk about Vladimir Putin. In this thread, I don’t want to outwardly say “Vladimir Putin is good!” or “Putin is bad!” I just want to talk about his policies and the long-term effects of these policies.

I’ll start by pointing out something we all probably know: Putin hates democracy. He got in by rigging the election. Is democracy a good system? I think it is, though some of you might disagree with me.

I also want to talk about Putin’s foreign policy. Putin once said “Russia does not negotiate with terrorists, it annihilates them.” This attitude basically sums up Putin’s foreign policy. He wants to solve the terrorism problem by blowing s~~~ up.

Here’s the thing: Putin’s foreign policy might be making the problem worse.

Conservatives often say “Anti-war liberals are anti-American! They never talk about the bad things that other countries do.” I actually agree. America isn’t the only country that is f~~~ing up the Middle East. Many of the problems with “American imperialism” can also be seen in Denmark, Israel, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Russia, France, England and various other countries. Destabilizing the Middle East is by no means an exclusively American thing.

This means that Putin’s foreign policy might be perpetuating the existence of Islamic extremism in the Middle East. This, in turn, creates refugees.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Our hyper-militaristic nature is creating the refugee crisis. I am not just talking about America when I say “our”. If you hate these refugees then you might want to re-evaluate you attitude towards Mr. Putinator.

Are these refugees good or bad? That’s debatable. Perhaps they can be “red pilled” out of their tradcon ways. Perhaps they will continue snapping from culture shock for the rest of their lives. Either way, we need to remember that the truth is not left-wing or right-wing. The truth is counter-intuitive. International violence will create Muslim immigration. Peace will turn down the flow.

If we support neoconservative imperialism then we should be prepared for the “red pill the refugees” option because we’re gonna need it. Additionally, we need to remember that Putin is repeating the mistakes of the neocons in some ways.

As far as I’m concerned, Putin can f~~~ing have Crimea. We shouldn’t start lashing out at him unless he starts taking Alaska. Putin’s campaign in Eastern Europe will likely blow up in his face, saving us billions of dollars as well as hundreds of young male lives.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[BlacqueJacqueShellacqueParticipant 6890]

Uintatherium wrote:

The truth is counter-intuitive.

Confirmed. Watch Mr. Putin’s top military brass bless themselves with a Christian cross before entering a public square. America, your “reserve dollar currency” are done. Putin has saved humanity from destruction time and time again. Go watch some CNN, Fox, or MSNBC.

[HitmanParticipant]

you know why i like Putin?
b~~~~.
speaks his mind,
doesn’t give a f~~~ what the world thinks ..( so it seems)
.
russia wants syria stable ..
isis is f~~~ing with that.
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good post as usual,
can’t address all your points..
even if he is a commie dictator,
russia will not suffer from unwanted “refugees”..
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not a ruble for them there ..

[Anonymous 18]

There is no Russia, no America, no nothing. Unless you sit with Putin at the dinner table, you believe more disinformation than ignorant people like myself that don’t follow news.

Wars waged in past was for control. Disguised as good vs evil. The western concept is so simplified in terms of what is good and what is evil. So long someone fits the evil, the s~~~show continues.

I wouldn’t try to make sense of what I read. I can’t compete against the depths of psychological control and manipulation achieved through media.

There is no such thing as democracy. No ordinary Black Man from Chicago can be US President. Unless he is the first-trans-gender-non-binary-feminist-with-Social-Studies Phd- the equivalent of next Black man.

*puts tin-foil hat back in the box* – needs ironing – have used it a few times in the forums.

[HitmanParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

*puts tin-foil hat back in the box* – needs ironing – have used it a few times in the forums.

update.
a football helmet lined with lead is the latest in brain protective gear..should block out all forms of radioactive particle waves ..
either from mother nature or from big daddy government.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

If we don’t have a all refugees welcome, everything free policy, refugees will not be a problem.

We will help out as much as we can, or we as much as we want. But there will be no crisis. Other people crisis is not my crisis.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Uintatherium wrote:

I’ll start by pointing out something we all probably know: Putin hates democracy. He

This might be a surprise to you, but the US government hates democracy too.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

We can’t even begin to conceive of what is going on in the halls of power all over the world.

You and I are just pawns ….. and stupid ones at that.

What is being said today is lining up a move 10 years from now.

Proof?

We all sleepwalked into feminism because we were programmed for it to feel right.

We were sold the EU for ‘stability’.

I could go on BUT when you look at all the major changes made by governments …. very little protest from ‘the people’ and even if there were …. they go do it anyway.

They are ALL the same clown only different makeup.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

ILiveAgain wrote:

We can’t even begin to conceive of what is going on in the halls of power all over the world.

You and I are just pawns ….. and stupid ones at that.

What is being said today is lining up a move 10 years from now.

Proof?

We all sleepwalked into feminism because we were programmed for it to feel right.

We were sold the EU for ‘stability’.

I could go on BUT when you look at all the major changes made by governments …. very little protest from ‘the people’ and even if there were …. they go do it anyway.

They are ALL the same clown only different makeup.

You my friend, are awake. When you have been given some peeks, you start to realize how mutch you don’t know. So you slowly ease back into the shadow, make like a hole in the air and silently switch to fire.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

Russian leaders only care about one thing. Maintaining power in Russia. There are less Russians in the world then Mexicans. Russia has a huge land mass to control, and a population that has been in decline since Stalin.

So what’s a demogphically astute supreme.leader do? Why he ruthlessly boms.the crap out of backwards savages. These savages know they’ll be purged if they set foot in Russia. So they go to femistan Europe and destabilize it. He’s using other nations’ soldiers to maintain hedemony in Russia. All it costs his country is some bombs and airplane fuel.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

USA got a two party system, is that a democracy btw? At least here in Latvia we vote for ideas/different party, I could say we have a real democracy but how is it better, no idea, as my country is a political puppet to be used for cash/buy politicians for cash, I learned to live with that knowledge and find peace in what I do and enjoy instead.

I wish we had a strong leader like Russia does, unfortunately we don’t and we got no true independence really. We have EU money and USA tanks, we used to have our own currency/money, we traded way more. We don’t need tanks anyway, who are we fighting ? Noone. Its political BS and corruption, someone’s get his pockets filled with cash on false fears.

Uintatherium wrote:

Is democracy a good system?

It’s not. It’s not bad also, it’s just that humans have figured out nothing better for now it seems. Having strong leadership is important as well as having multiple ideas/party system.

Uintatherium wrote:

Are these refugees good or bad? That’s debatable.

Bad, nothing to debate, unless you want them all to live in your home. It’s problems upon problems for us. If we had b~~~~ like Poland or Russia, and our politicians didn’t leech on EU’s/USA money, we would not let them in.

Live and let live, I wish our government had our people’s interest at heart and didn’t get involved in all the NATO/US/WorldPolice bulls~~~, not involved in Iraq and other BS. Now what happens with this ISIS thing is a messy consequence. Russia does what it must to protect itself and others, while all I hear from Western media is two-faced, one second they say they will help the fight, other second they don’t.

We had our own independence after USSR fall, and shortly after it’s SOLD now for EU/USA rule. From a superpower Soviet Union to a feminized Europe Union….
Putin this, Putin that, Obama this, Obama that. Makes no difference to me. It’s all a bizarre sports game where I don’t win anyway, so I don’t even watch it.

Uintatherium wrote:

International violence will create Muslim immigration. Peace will turn down the flow.

It’s already happening for years now. Truly, I have no idea what could be done at this point to change it. Anyway, interesting thread.

Protect yourself gents !

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[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Lots of people on the internet seem to be saying “We just need to create strict immigration policies.” I’m honestly not sure if we can do that, given how many bleeding-hearts are in the West nowadays.

I propose non-interventionist foreign policy because this would cut off the flow without p~~~ing off the liberals.

We can either p~~~ off the left by “securing the border” or we can p~~~ off the right by eliminating the source of the refugee crisis. In my opinion, peace is more practical. From what I have seen, unrestricted immigration is supported by nearly everyone in the Democratic Party. This includes both average voters and the party leaders. How do the Republicans view neocon warfare? It seems to me that this warfare is enthusiastically supported by the higher-ups, but there are quite a few Average Joe Repubs who are closer to Ron Paul. I’m essentially saying that f~~~ing with the leaders of Republican Party is easier than f~~~ing with the entire Democratic Party.

Overall, it seems to me that there are quite a few average Americans who are anti-war … and yet the party leaders seem to be pro-war. It’s almost as if these wars are just part of the class war between the American ruling class and the lower classes.

The Way I See It: Most average Americans hate war but they aren’t rising up and ending war because they don’t understand how bad war is.

Overall, we live in a world where the upper classes have a very sophisticated understanding of geopolitics whereas the lower classes usually only understand domestic politics … if even that. It’s as though the entire field of geopolitics is a secret kept from the middle and lower classes.

That’s one of the main sources of pain in our world. The upper classes generally look at things from a global perspective. The middle and lower classes generally only look at what is happening in their own country.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[Anonymous 22]

FullMetalExo wrote:

Live and let live, I wish our government had our people’s interest at heart and didn’t get involved in all the NATO/US/WorldPolice bulls~~~, not involved in Iraq and other BS. Now what happens with this ISIS thing is a messy consequence. Russia does what it must to protect itself and others, while all I hear from Western media is two-faced, one second they say they will help the fight, other second they don’t.

Yes, my country also got involved in that s~~~. Let the US do whatever it does alone, it doesn’t deserve any help from the outside.

Hopefully the American leaders have the brain capacity to understand that Russia is not Afghanistan, or Iraq, it is something much bigger and if they go there, they will be wiped off the map. Any kind of ‘pre-emptive war’ is not going to happen in the Russian soil. Ever.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

“[Canadians] are losing their minds over here, I have to hire bodyguards now. If you wanna ask why that is, look at me: do I look white to you? […] My parents are from the Middle East. My parents are from the Middle East. My dad is from Iran. He is a Shiite Muslim man. I grew up with Muslim beliefs. where do you think all my views come from? Where do you think my ideas on patriarchy and masculinity come from? Where do you think my ideas that men should be strong and women should submit come from? Where do you think all that comes from? From thin air? No. It’s from being by a conservative, honorable, respectful Muslim man. All the views that I present on sex, women, and men are basically a light version of Islam. Of how Islam does family values. [….] I’m basically introducing traditional Islamic values, traditional Islamic family into a Western audience, because these values are good for women and men. But I’m being attacked in Canada, so what does that tell you? That the Canadian establishment is vehemently Islamophobic. There is no other logical explanation. ‘Cuz if you have an explanation why in Canada the entire establishment is coming out against me […] but everywhere else is cool, then I’d like to hear it.”
– Roosh V

Let’s keep this quote in mind in these dark times.

Even if we do get flooded with Muslisms, not all hope is lost.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[Anonymous 22]

ROTFLOL.. Canada has been in my personal boycott list for some time now, but I tell you if that haggard Clinton is elected, the US will also be added to that list.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

I want to make my position clear. Ideally, I want America to adopt Ron Paul’s foreign policy. That will end the creation of Islamic extremism. This will end the creation of refugees.

Watch The Power of Nightmares by Adam Curtis. It’s a very informative and powerful film.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

If the refugee crisis doesn’t end, we should take the “red pill the refugees” option as a plan B.

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