Public education and schooling, is it worth it anymore?

[Lone Sea VoyagerParticipant 506]

This is a question that I, as a mghow, ask myself. With how the entire education is beginning to bend over and favor women, while treating men as defective girls, it isn’t any wonder why men are beginning to get lower scores in general. The educational system will gladly bend over backwards for women, but completely leave men in the dark. In the eyes of the educational system, we are a nuisance, a scoundrel, and everything wrong. We are left in the dark, while women are praised to the point of them thinking that their s~~~s don’t stink.

This is why men are failing at school more than women. Men are failing at higher rates than ever before. Ironically, it was after feminism took place in this s~~~hole of a society that men started to fail at epidemic rates. Feminists bent the rules to advantage women and disadvantage men, and it is becoming more and more evident as men start to dropout more, earn bad grades, and be ignored by the educational system, while having the education system favor women. School is a 9 hour long prison, and is no longer about educating, but submissifying men to obey the very same system that doesn’t give two s~~~s about them.

Gentlemen, imagine learning a new thing, hobby, or anything that peaks your interest. Now subtract all the fun, creativity, enlightenment, and actual life skills from it and you have public schooling. Plus add on the fact that it invades your life, and leaves you with no actual free time for yourself. You don’t actually learn anything useful, but spend your entire stay answering questions on assignments, which are things that you don’t care for, and will therefor never actually use in your life. Oh, you didn’t finish that automated assignment that we slapped down in face? Well guess what? Your going to give up your free time to us! Didn’t finish it? Sorry, but we’re going to mark down your grade some because you don’t kiss our asses and give up your free time up enough, so f~~~ you. Oh and by the way, I hope you like getting comments about you being a lazy dropout by your family members.

Add on to the fact that college is now overpriced so much, that you would be better off burning your cash and going into debt for life. Who needs a marriage when they can just pay for college and f~~~ themselves over that way? Colleges have even bent the rules for men, and made the graduation rate lower for men while making the graduation rate higher for women. Even Obama admitted it, whilst praising it as an accomplishment. It’s a sick world we live in.

So what do you, as a man going his own way, think about this? Should men drop out and educate themselves instead? Is public schooling even worth it anymore?

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

I approach this matter from the standpoint of industrial economics:

Consider the present value of an income stream of an unskilled labourer (e.g. cashier, warehouse worker). He is presented with the decision to go to college. For this to work, the present value of the resultant income stream must exceed that of the opportunity cost i.e. the wages he would have been paid had he worked instead of going to school, plus the cost of tuition itself.

Furthermore, one must note that the purpose of government schools is not education. Its primary purpose is to train and render docile those unfortunate enough to enter their accursed doors. With boys, this is often accomplished by drugging them; I will not use the “politically correct” word “medicate”; those are drugs being forced down their throat so they are being drugged, end of story.

The parallels between schools and prisons are numerous:

Twelve years of my life were robbed in those Leviathanesque processing facilities, so as far as I see it, I am owed damages with interest compounded thereunto, so I have no reservations whatsoever about leeching off welfare as I am merely taking what is mine.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I think college is bulls~~~, but for a lot of us necessary to get into certain fields. The thing that I always hated about college is the general education requirements, or whatever you want to call them. You can be going for an engineering degree…yet you have to check the blocks off that you took a foreign language class, a music class, an art class, philosophy or sociology, a phys ed class, etc. Who the f~~~ cares.

Most 4 year degree programs could be trimmed by a year or two if they’d trim the fat…but then college would be failing at robbing people for so much money and would have less of a chance at indoctrinating you to be an extreme left winger if you had to sit through less stupid pointless courses totally irrelevant to your major. Most of those level 100 fluff class they make you take you could literally learn more about browsing the internet if you are at all interested in the topic, and if you aren’t interested in the topic your just going to cram for the tests and mentally purge shortly after you pass the class…you don’t retain anything useful or gain any benefits from most of the college courses you take.

[BDParticipant 1146]

Education is worth it, hands down, no question.

Here’s the thing, don’t waste your time taking some bulls~~~ degree that won’t get you a job.
Research what you want to do with your life.
Actually think about the investment you are making and the wage you will receive after you complete whatever it is you want to achieve.
Spending 80K on a useless degree that will make you 30K per year is idiotic, don’t be that person.
Don’t make any excuses, challenge yourself, find your passion, and dedicate everything to it until you achieve it,
and don’t let some broad distract you.

Think about the quality of life that satisfies you, and how much you want to work or need to make in a year to have that lifestyle.
Diversify your skill set so you will always be employable, or grow some b~~~~ and venture out into business for yourself.
“Dream big, but start small.” ET

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Cipher Highwind wrote:

I approach this matter from the standpoint of industrial economics:

Consider the present value of an income stream of an unskilled labourer (e.g. cashier, warehouse worker). He is presented with the decision to go to college. For this to work, the present value of the resultant income stream must exceed that of the opportunity cost i.e. the wages he would have been paid had he worked instead of going to school, plus the cost of tuition itself.

I thought about it from this perspective quite a bit during the 2 years between when I graduated and when I managed to land a good job. Basically it boiled down to I had a 40-45k a year job, and with the time and money I had invested in college, had all the time been spent at a part time job, and money saved on tuition(plus part time job money) been invested I probably could have a net worth in the ballpark of 300k higher than I do right now.

300k @ 5-10% average long term growth is an easy 15-30k of passive income if I had the money invested in the market, or I could have accumulated a couple rental properties. So realistically finding a job paying at least 70k a year was the break even point for me. Had I not been able to do that, college would have turned out to be a net loss for me, and given what our job market is looking like its turning out to be a net loss for a lot of people.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Public school was my big early red pill. I started seeing everything for what it is and learned to look for reasons and explanations. I was really confused seeing how f~~~ed up the modern society is and yet not many seemed to notice that or to care – most people I met had so much spaghetti covering their ears – you couldn’t get through to them. I kept trying to distribute forks for spaghetti removal, but people liked their spaghetti. This comes from russian saying loosely translated as: “to hang pasta on someone’s ears” meaning – to deceive. Don’t ask me why
Most people get socially indoctrinated / brainwashed really easily. But once you see the programming for what it is – you see the programming going on and this just reinforces your red pill mentality
My grandfather taught me critical thinking skills before I went to school, and I knew about communist propaganda early on, so I learned to get everything with a grain of salt and not take anyone’s word about anything. Majority of kids did not have grandfather that I had, so they were much more receptive and conforming to the system of education

Even in Soviet Union despite all the propaganda, schools were more lax and laid back – you didn’t need a pass to go to the bathroom, and there was no police or security of any kind. You could ski[p classes. smoke cigarettes outside, fight, gamble and still wouldn’t get expelled or disciplined. You could pretty much come and go as you please. There would had been consequences for that, but not like here – school officials would simply contact your parents, and you’d get in trouble with your parents and not your school. You’d have to f~~~ up very badly to get expelled or made to repeat class.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[UmbreonParticipant 152]

I’m in a unique position to have gotten to see the night and day change “no child left behind” created. I was in the final class omitted from what basically turned schooling from a creative place with a lot of difference between schools and even between teachers in the same school to what basically is rote memorization to cram for a HUGE test prepped by Uncle Sam full of all the “stuff we need to know”.

Take my 12th grade English teacher for example. She was an unmedicated ADD-riddled ball of a hyperactive mental case that was pretty ready to chew through her straps by the day’s end (our class). She was bored silly, felt stifled, and hated being so heavily restricted and this was only the first year she had to deal with the “No Child Left Behind” crap. She felt like our class was the only class she could really “teach” in because the government had tied her hands in all the rest. This has only been echoed louder and louder in the years since from many, many other teachers who just can’t teach like this with teachers quitting in droves. One famous one even says “…I realize that I am not leaving my profession, in truth, it has left me. It no longer exists. ” .When teachers can’t teach, students can’t learn. Small wonder the national intelligence level has slipped since “No Child Left Behind” was enacted.

So what do they do to “fix” it? Blame the “white male centered learning cycle” instead of letting teachers teach! Seriously, guys? Even white males are struggling now because the teachers can’t teach so the students can’t learn! Public school is a joke. Private schools are still under “No Child Left Behind” so they’re also a joke as the same crap happens there as well. Even home-schooled kids are expected to fall under “No Child Left Behind” . Schooling in the USA is honestly worthless now any way you slice is because of this law! Until it’s repealed, the USA is going to keep getting dumber and dumber and no amount of PC garbage will fix it.

Dropping out is the only solution for now and, even then, you will STILL have to deal with the crap of “No Child Left Behind” when getting your GED as you will need to take a test for that piece of paper. Not even fast food will hire without a GED or high school diploma. No papers, no work. It’s a nasty lock-in against free thought.

And college? Well, they’re all about making money for themselves not teaching anything of value. I have both attended a college and worked for one so I know this first hand. I rant plenty about why college is pointless in my posts, so I’ll stick to public schools for now. Just know that 90% of the time, you’re better off buying some books and self-teaching whatever college would have given you or going to a trade/vocational school instead.

This does not bode well for our future.

Beauty fades, dumb is forever.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@mgtow Pirate,
I agree completely … almost. The Western World is way past the “beginning” stage. We’re overdone. Otherwise, complete agreement.

@Cipher Highwind,
Prison was what I thought of my days in public school too. The 12′ chain link fences around my h.s. did much to reinforce this.

I once discovered that a car mechanic at any name-brand dealership makes more money than a corporate department head in charge of 100 underlings. That is, a twenty-something grease monkey is pulling down bigger bucks than a manager in the top one-percent of their profession. And it took the manager 10-15 years to get there.

The mechanic has no student loans. He was learning on the job, getting his professional certificates — and getting paid for it — while Mr. or Ms. Manager was grinding their way through six years of college for that coveted MBA and enough debt to buy a nice house.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BigDParticipant 3024]

Whatever happened to “Reading, Writing, and Arithmetic”? Oh wait, Democrats and Feminism. Those that can’t do, teach.

When I was in HS I knew for a fact I wasn’t really going to learn anything very valuable accept how messed up those with no sense of personal responsibility will act. Who was sleeping with whom. Who was on drugs. Who was selling the drugs. Who’s daddy bought what truck for them.

There was this poster on the wall that read, “High School, these are the best years of your life. Make the most of them.” I knew that was a lie. The best years of my life are the years I am living right now. Every year gets better and better. There’s ups and downs, but over all it gets more and more awesome for me.

If I could have gotten away with it, I would have tested out in ninth grade and went on with my life. Unfortunately I couldn’t do that.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[chirParticipant]

I thank god my father was a history buff. He loved colonial history and as a result there were tons of books in the family house on the subject. By the time I was a freshman in high school I already knew the declaration of independence, the constitution and the bill of rights. I went to a private military boys middle/high school so we would often have long discussions on the “who, what, where, when of history”. It was a lot of fun and we learned about the people who founded this nation with their blood.

Now with common core, none of those documents are studied, and colonial history is a total of 44 pages. The SJW f~~~ers are re-writing history by simply omitting it. Homeschool, until you are not allowed to do that.
Here feast your eyes on the actual text from the tiny section on WWII in a common core history book for high school.
A glance at one of the nation’s leading high-school literature textbooks—Prentice Hall’s The American Experience, which has been aligned to the Common Core—will tell us how we are doing on that front.

The opening page of the slim chapter devoted to World War II called “War Shock” features a photograph of a woman inspecting a large stockpile of thousand-pound bomb castings. The notes in the margins of the Teacher’s Edition set the tone:

In this section, nonfiction prose and a single stark poem etch into a reader’s mind the dehumanizing horror of world war. . . .

The editors of the textbook script the question teachers are supposed to ask students in light of the photograph as well as provide the answer:

Ask: What dominant impression do you take away from this photograph?

Possible response: Students may say that the piled rows of giant munitions give a strong impression of America’s power of mass production and the bombs’ potential for mass destruction.

Translation: Americans made lots of big bombs that killed lots of people.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

go private if you can swing it for your kids.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Anonymous 9]

Really it’s the only way to advance in certain professions. By getting an advanced degree, it shows to some your level of commitment to the field.

Working in higher education, it’s a matter of respect from those who you’ll interact with by way of student engagement.

Education is totally worth it imo. The only way sure way to upward mobility is through education, where even a Bachelor’s won’t get you very far these days.

The advanced degree has increased in value over the years.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I don’t think advanced degrees have increased in value…I think a bachelors degree has just decreased in value.

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