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I am seeking out clarification on MGTOW philosophy from my fellow MGTOW. This is what MGTOW provides in the way of definition:
M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.Now on the one hand MGTOW philosophy is about bowing out from gynocentric relations. One may still date women and have sex, but since he has taken the red pill he understands that his value to women has always lied in his disposability and productiveness for her. Therefore, to pay for sex is in the clearest sense a gynocentric act, is it not? He is a disposable utility in this circumstance, producing resources for her relative little effort in the act of sex, and is only valuable to her so long as he is producing money for her.
Now, I think the question that needs asking is that is this provision of resources in exchange for sex justified? After all, if MGTOW is about sovereignty and rejection of cultural definitions of a man and different taboos like that which is associated with prostitution, then he should be allowed the honour of calling himself a MGTOW while doing what he desires. I suppose the line is drawn at marriage because from that point he is sacrificing his sovereignty. Whereas prostitution could be considered an exploitation of a biological need, there is no sacrifice of sovereignty. If a man who is in a casual relationship with a woman can call himself a MGTOW, can one that visits hookers not as well? In general it is an honest exchange that depreciates all females sexual marketplace value, which is an added benefit of ridding the world from the entitled female. Which is why the most intense slut shaming I’ve ever come across have only been from other females. It seems that while you are being treated as an ATM of sorts, it is A: By your free choice B: Still not a traditional gynocentric relation where the man remains a slave and C: Has the added benefit of depreciating the SMV of women. Does this come down to weighing the importance of one’s sovereignty against not providing resources for females? I appreciate responses and clarification on this topic as it remains foggy in my mind as how it pertains to MGTOW. Thanks.
Wonderfully insightful observation.
You bring up an interesting point with paying for sex with a hooker what equate to a gynocentric act. To this I would say yes it is. How this differs between a regular relationship is in the details though. With a hooker you have a set price that will not change and if she tries to inflate the cost all you have to do is stop calling her and move on to the newer hotter,younger, cheaper girl with no ramifications. No harm no foul. But if you are in a relationship an inverse happens to the sex verses resources expended proportion. In the beginning it is usually a small amount of resources have to be expended to get sex, but as the relationship matures you have to start using more resources to maintain the same level of sex you are used to. This is how woman will trap you, she will trick you into thinking that giving her more resources it will reestablish the rate of sex to resources you had at the beginning of the relationship. But the truth is that it will never be that high or come that cheap again.
The matter is further complicated if you want end the relationship and even worse if there are children involved. then depending on how rich you are the proportion of resources you gave for sex becomes hugely imbalanced.
This is why the cost to gain ratio for marriage fails for 99% of guys out there. So while yes you are still a walking ATM to a hooker you will be taken for an infinitely lesser amount then if you got married.
When I say resources I am talking more than just money, I am also talking about time, energy, sanity, self esteem, prosperity, future choices. Anything you value that you will have to dole out to a woman in order to acquire sex.
Mind you hookers should be your last resort in getting “cheap” sex the best way to get it is for free.
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Towards the end Tom asks her how much it cost her husbands friends to f~~~ her. It costs him a small amount in gifts and dinners to bang a good looking woman without having to worry about knocking her up because even if he did he would not be considered the father the husband would be. Be that guy.
You can also try to become a pick up artist but that takes time and money to not only acquire the skills but to implement them. To me money is not as valuable as time is. I can always make more money but I can never get back time. So when it comes to sex I would rather give up the less valuable money then the invaluable time.
Those are just my thoughts on prostitution though.
I’ve always told my friends “I respect an honest whore.” Females talk about empowerment but you can’t be “empowered” by someone else… you have to exercise your own power… and the only power women have is the power of their sex and their ability to manipulate men.
So when I see a woman openly trading her sex for something of value (drugs, usually, but often cash) I say “bravo!”. A direct trade of sex for drugs or money is a fair and honest deal. You get the sex, you provide the drugs or cash and you both move on until you want to deal again.
Also, if I see a woman successfully manipulating a man into providing for her, I say again “well, you’re halfway there!”… you’ve roped this fool into taking care of you and you’ve given him a little bit of sex in exchange but now you’re taking advantage of him and it’s on him if he’s too stupid to kick you to the curb. It’s not as honest so you’re not earning my respect but at least you’re exercising your power and that’s admirable.
Bottom line… I would agree that the only way to fairly go your own way is to sell something of yourself in exchange for a living… your brain, your back or, as in the case of females, your sex.
“I respect an honest whore.”
I have gone back and forth on this a hundred times (and can argue in both directions) but have finally arrived at the same conclusion. I don’t have a problem with “whores”. I have a problem with women who behave like whores, but don’t put out (for what they want) and/or pretend they are NOT whores. And I know I’m not alone.
This weekend, I went to a naked bar with a good friend even though I don’t really care for it. It’s been many years since I set foot in a strip club. I am not put off by the fact that these girls are strippers. I am put off by the fact that they are all over us INSIDE the establishment when they wouldn’t be OUTSIDE the establishment. They were all SUPER friendly, flirtatious and sweet … and downright aggressive in their approaches. I understand they need to make a living but don’t f~~~ing act like you “like me” and can sell me something I am not ready to buy.
Our asses didn’t even hit the chairs, and these chicks swarmed up to us before the waitress did. “Hi baby” and “hey good looking” and my GOD ladies, back the f~~~ down. Points for honesty and openness, but give us some f~~~in’ room to breathe! They didn’t even accept “thanks, maybe later sweetheart” as a polite pushback, and it was actually a necessary to say “NO”. And when I did, I got the expected sideways head turn and she stomped off.
One of them actually appeared to like me more than my friend and she sat down for a while to talk to me our of her own free will. Then she whipped out her phone to show me a picture of her dog. A f~~~ing chihuahua. Yes really. I couldn’t f~~~ing believe my eyes. “Honey, when I am out on a date and you take out your phone I am getting up and leaving. If you want my money, at least put the goddam phone away and work it properly”. That would be like a car salesman trying to close the deal while I am sitting in a 2015 model , and then he lifts his index finger to tell me to “wait a minute” while he takes a f~~~ing call from his wife.
I will not buy a car from him under any circumstances. Place your tongue under my b~~~~ and tickle them for a while. Then ask me if you’re doing a good enough job pleasuring me for the $45,000 you want me to spend today. Anything less, and I will walk.
Don’t pretend to “like me” when you would walk past me on the street without a glance.
Thats’ the only problem I have with strippers. That’s not “honesty”.It’s like when a retail chick is handing you items you try on and she tells you “that really looks great on you”. I hate that s~~~.
Honesty would be realizing – in this setting – she is “selling”, and I am “buying”. Walk around. Pose. Make yourself visible. Go stand against the wall or something , show me the merchandise ….. and if I like what I see, I will come get a table dance from you and we can make a deal. A strip club is like a car dealership where the cars drive up to you open the doors and pull you in. There I was, actually explaining to a chick shoving herself in my face WHY I wasn’t prepared to give her the $400 she wanted for 15 minutes of bending over to touch the f~~~ing floor. F~~~ that. Im not “explaining” myself to a stripper. That’s backwards and wrong.
I wanted to get out of there AQAP.
Women are WAY more sexual than we are. And when a man realizes this, the days of him taking out his wallet to PAY a woman to f~~~ (or see her naked) are OVER. Done. I absolutely believe the expression “you don’t pay a whore to f~~~ you, you pay her to leave”… but even that is not an acceptable arrangement anymore. Dick is the prize and her reward for being lovely and sweet. If that’s not a good enough deal for her, then she’s not getting laid either and she can go home to her chihuahua.
If you’re gonna be an honest whore…. AT LEAST BE AN HONEST WHORE and know your place.
On the shelf, until some guy is willing to f~~~ you (or pay to see you naked) on HIS terms for his cash in his own time.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.This issue of sex with women while identifying as MGTOW is a complex issue that I feel hasn’t been thoroughly addressed by our MGTOW ‘forefathers’ here. It’s a sociological question that I’ve been trying to solve ever since hearing of MGTOW on Youtube.
It should be obvious that every woman is a prostitute or at least that you will pay something in exchange for sex. To me, this is the root of all our problems with women. It is the origin of feminism and misandry itself. It is the sole issue, that if solved; would clean up a lot of disrespectful and inflated female behavior.
By natures blueprint, we know females are the inferior gender. It sounds rude to say this and its certainly not mainstream knowledge but its the scientific truth as dictated by 3 million years of evolution in several hominid species. Female anatomy, from the width and dimensions of the pelvis, to the narrow and lower shoulders; all the way to neurology, hormones and psychological behavior–all of it is 2nd best to the mutually exclusive and dominant role that nature bred into Men.
So why do women have power over us since evolution clearly gave us the lead role in our species? Well, it wasn’t always this way and I don’t want to explain the sociological and cultural circumstances that gave women cause to pursue dominance but I will highlight a few major contributors.
Instinctively, men were naturally selected to not display own group preference. This means that men, when faced with a life threatening situation, instinctively defend those around them instead of themselves. Women, instinctively, do not jump in front of mountain lions for men, but we do! That’s why we’re men. That’s why we’re the natural leaders and alphas of the species. That’s why nature bestowed in men, a physical form that was able to combat and dominate. Nature gave women wide hips for child bearing, t~~~ for milking, and hormones for loving. This is all pure fact.
Second, nature gave men the unparalleled desire to reproduce. It’s not by accident that you want to rub one out everyday. 85,000 years ago the entire species almost died out. We had all been killed off, down to a few thousand people in Africa presumably from the aftermath of a super volcano called TOBA on the island of Sumatra. We know the species bottle-necked this bad as a genetic fact. If homo Sapiens, Men, didn’t have that natural instinct to pin down and inseminate a woman we wouldn’t be here. When was the last time a woman proposed to you, asked you out, tore off your clothes and rode you, pursued you romantically for weeks or months, bought you gifts to try and win you over etc… Unless you’re Tom Cruise then it’s probably never happened unless she was drunk or in heat (at least not to me it hasn’t and I’m average) Why don’t women do this? Why don’t they display the effort men do to seek a mate? Because they do give a s~~~ about establishing a mate! To them, a man is a tool and a status symbol. I’m tempted to say that they can’t truly love men either, the way that men love women. The only sort of love that comes close is always for their child, but their men can burn.
Again, it’s too complex to go into why certain institutions, politics and cultural memes collided and ignited feminism but the two points above (men’s natural desire to reproduce and natural instinct to protect) were our biggest attributes that women have now used to orchestrate our servitude. When fully understood it’s downright evil.
We are meant to feel ashamed for our desire to want sex and seek a mate/family. Women also use our species-saving-instinct (to crave sex) to control us by requiring favors and money. It’s not rocket science. A long time ago, dumb men sold us out for some sex making the dick the cheapest commodity on Earth and Vagina the holy grail payable for all goods. All women have to do (even the most ugly and fat ones) is flash a little pussy for anything. They are using our instincts (for wanting to protect and mate them) against us . This may seem obvious but apparently it isn’t.
It’s become strikingly apparent to me that many men, including many claiming MGTOW on YouTube, think that they can sleep with women and evade the circumstances above. You can’t. Legally, we already know that marriage is utter servitude. I can’t attest to defenses like NAWALT because, personally, all women I’ve ever had relationships with, were like that, so I’m still not convinced that even the sweetest and obedient wife isn’t at core trading sex for favors or manipulating her man with her pussy. They all do it, it’s female instinct to prostitute. The main problem is that you all keep going along with it, believing that the female gender deserves an equal footing with men, they don’t –per natures design, not culture, not politics, not the Bible, not anything…nature chose for them their role and it’s indisputably behind men’s. If they were equal, it would be self evident. It wouldn’t be questioned or defended and history would be filled to the brim with female thinkers, inventors, conquerors, leaders etc…
When it comes down to it, any man, regardless of his current affiliation with a woman can be a MGTOW but by his actions he may be self contradicting his so called MGTOW convictions. Some of us were already married, but do we still act like simps to our wives? I have to say that it’s completely indefensible to f~~~ a woman on the first date, violating everything MGTOW stands for. In my opinion, that is the #1 offense perpetrating feminism and misandry. You think you got one over good on her and are scott-free but are you? Really, what you’ve done is solidified that a woman need only walk to the corner to receive sex whereas a man has to endlessly pursue a woman, shower her with affection, gifts and time to even have a chance of getting laid. For 90% of men, this is how it is because we don’t have the Brad Pitt genes. When you one night stand (or even put out at all before several months) you confirm that men can be bought, that meaningful/respectful relationships need not be had to gain men’s affection. This is the number one reason why misandry and feminism took over, because men continue to sell their respect and male status for some pussy. Like women, our only bargaining tool is our sexual organs. Quit selling male dignity for a squirt! Women used to be in the same boat we are in now (the difference is they belong there because society falls apart when they quit being wives and mothers and instead, try to be men and independent whores). If we collectively stop putting out to these endless droves of self important desperate bitches, they will have no alternative but to play by our rules which is to respect and honor men.
Like the guy who said up above. I respect an honest whore. Of course, it’s the cheapest price you’ll pay and it should be legal since every woman is doing it anyway to some degree. Paying for a prostitute, fine; MGTOW status unsoiled. Being a simp, white knight to your bitch wife, not cool; MGTOW status in decline. Picking up a chick at a bar and f~~~ing her at any point in the first year of knowing her, unforgivable; MGTOW status non-existent. For you have not only trained a feminist bitch but have also stabbed MGTOW in the back.
This issue of sex with women while identifying as MGTOW is a complex issue that I feel hasn’t been thoroughly addressed by our MGTOW ‘forefathers’ here. It’s a sociological question that I’ve been trying to solve ever since hearing of MGTOW on Youtube.
What if I could solve it for you? (Happy New Year and welcome by the way)
It’s not complex at all. And it’s not a sociological question.
It’s a question of biology. And you can’t reform biology.Men have a need/innate desire to have sex like we need to take a p~~~. I don’t need to like (or even love) a woman to be able (or to want) to have sex with her. This is not choice, and you can’t be sociologically conditioned into wanting to have sex with someone. She doesn’t need to like or love me either. We can have sex with each other and enjoy it and not even know each others names. There’s a video on this website of a woman who had A BABY by nameless black stranger in the parking garage of a hotel. Even she doesn’t understand “why” she did it.
Just like you like pizza. You don’t ask yourself WHY… or discuss it in lengthy paragraphs to try and understand it….. you just order it. Sometimes with pepperoni. And sometimes veggie.
Men have a need/innate desire to have sex like we need to take a p~~~. Sex with women is not a complex issue. The same result can be accomplished by tossing. You were never sociologically conditioned to touch yourself either. That would have happened if you were living on an island all by yourself.
All that other sociological stuff about calling her again, paying her, or not paying, or feeling obligated to call her again is sociological and GONE the moment you realize – after you take a p~~~ – do you call up you urinal the next day and tell it how beautiful it is? Do you tell your toilet how satisfying that dump was? Do you buy it brunch the next morning?
No. Sex doesn’t require asking yourself any questions. Do I want to f~~~ her? or do I not want to f~~~ her. The answer is not even your decision. You can’t DECIDE to want to have sex with a woman. And she can’t DECIDE to want to have sex with you. Buying her dinner will never change her mind about it. She already knew within 5 minutes if she will f~~~ you, or not.
It’s not complex at all. It’s a question of biology. And you can’t reform biology.
Whether you’re a MGTOW or a Catholic Priest, you’re gonna wanna f~~~.Telling yourself to NOT f~~~ is sociological. Trying to convince yourself (because you’re MGTOW) sex is some kind of a question – or whether or not it’s off limits – is dishonest. A MGTOW is a man going his own way. He a lion in the jungle who never pauses for a second to think about why he wants to mount that lioness – or whether or not he “should”.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Great Topic!
Look…Although we all are MGTOWs, many of us still have a basic human need for “RELEASE”. I believe that this need for Release is Primordial and Instinctual.
I Guess it’s God or The Big Bang’s way of helping us get that ‘Homo Habilis’-Monkey off our backs. Good ole Monkey sex.
Sure…Masturbation can facilitate release. But our hands are not ‘designed’ like the inner sanctum of a juicy, gushy Vagina.
Our Monkey Nature wants to Bust a Nut. [INSERT GORILLA SOUND EFFECT]
Here’s the Problem…
Society is Frucked Up.
Traditional Marriage is Frucked Up. No Pussy on Tap. That faucet’s been tapped out.
80%-90% of ‘F~~~able’ Wwomen are Crazy as Fruck.
Truly a Frucked Up Situation.
Trying to get Release in a Traditional Relations~~~ has become so fruckin’ transactional that it Frequently fails the Cost-Benefit Analysis. Nut in the Wrong Muthaf~~~a…and you’re a Rapist. OR You ARE the Father…paying Alimony and State Action Child Support/”Super Saiyan Ex Boyfriend Who Just Got Out of Prison” Support.
Trying to bust a Nut has become Risky Business. Nothing Tom Cruise-cool about this Shiet. It sucks Homo Habilis Monkey Ass.
So…What’s the alternative? How do we get that Nut without getting F~~~ed Up?
Prostitution is an option. The way I see it, you’re not simply paying the Woman for the Nut; you are paying her to leave AFTER the NUT. Far more cost effective as compared to Wifing up a Hoe and paying her for 18+ years or a lifetime of alimony hell.
However, Frucking Professional Hoes has its substantial risks:
(1) You don’t always get what you pay for. A Professional Whore who don’t put out and just lay there to collect your Doe. True Story.
(2) You get ridiculous haggling over prices before and DURING the TCHAIKOVSKY (i.e. the Nut Cracker)….mostly about ‘additional options”…all of which ruins the overall Nut releasing experience,
(3) If Illegal in the jurisdiction you are frucking in, you could get arrested in ‘Human Trafficking’ sting operations and lose your career and public reputation.
(4) If unregulated by state action, You can get STDs if prostitutes are not regularly tested and condom use is not consistent employed
(5) It’s is rarely the ‘Girlfriend Experience’ (GFE) or “Porn Star Experience” (PSE).
Sex Clubs are Options as well where you can meet lots of coupled and uncoupled woman who may be willing to continue festivities outside the Club. There are risks and things to keep in mind when dealing in Sex Clubs, Swingers Communities and Poly Communities…but I will reserve that for another Thread.
MORAL OF THE STORY: MGTOW is a non-traditional way of life. It’s about Going One’s Way….Exploring the World on our own Muthf~~~in terms. Accordingly, it only makes sense that we have to consider non-traditional solutions to achieving Release. As long as you understand the risks and don’t get caught up in any BULLSHIET, I think you are Good to Go.
Ninja: thanks for listing the risks. i think a lot of men come to mgtow simply because those risks and others they have experienced – and/or are in the middle of – are things to be carefully considered from a new viewpoint. once i realized that me and a couple of my like-minded friends aren’t alone it was a liberating experience.
anyway man, you have been cracking me up with very funny s~~~ on here for weeks man. i think of you as the website’s Dave Chappelle. why not laugh your ass off while you learn to save your own life? that’s what i do here. effing great. GREAT post man “F~~~ it, I’m making Meth.” OMG i’m dyin over here right now man.
Well…I am Ninja James, Bitch. 🙂
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I don’t feel that sex with women and MGTOW conflict at all. As a matter of fact, I would encourage my fellow MGTOWs to chase pussy in order to learn how to learn the craft of how to get more tail for less money.
The act itself may conform to gender roles consistently pressed on men, but that doesn’t mean that MGTOWs have to follow through with ALL expectations; just the ones that HE HIMSELF chooses for his benefit. That’s pretty much self explanatory for a man “going his own way”
Pump em and dump em. Hit it and quit it. When your game improves, you will deceive the women who consider you as marriage material I.E= A lifetime resource. You may have to put forth some minimal effort in order to get the pussy, but a MGTOW chooses to do so to derive the utility from f~~~ing a girl.
This is not choice, and you can’t be sociologically conditioned into wanting to have sex with someone.
This is why movements such as fat acceptance will never work.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Well thought out, Epic response!
There is the necessity for all of us to secure food, shelter and other resources to survive. Since those resources are limited and valuable, there will inevitably be competition for them. Competing directly with men for those resources in the environment, women have no chance. Women must have another way.
Historically, the male drive to reproduce, and the female’s ability to provide that option is what created the exchange of resources for reproduction. That seems fair enough, and ultimately is necessary for the survival of the species since survival of a species requires both eating (resources) and reproduction. This all makes sense to me, and it worked well for millennia …as evidenced by the fact that we are all here.
What I reject is the way the exchange has been altered lately. More recently, females are demanding unlimited recourses for very limited sex. The sales pitch is for long term sex for long term resources, but that’s not how the deal plays out once committed to in a marriage contract. When Warren Buffet said, “You can’t make a good deal with a bad person…”, he was speaking directly to the concept of negotiating in good faith with an honest person. Ultimately, it makes no difference how good the terms of the agreement are, if the other side can’t be trusted to uphold those terms.
The terms of the more recent exchange are no longer two people in a partnership each providing for the needs of the other. Today, the government in general and courts in particular have removed responsibility and accountability from women. There is no longer a good person to make a good deal with… What remains are dishonest people who will make false promises to me to get me to agree to a permanent partnership whose terms she will not uphold, but will continue to force me to. It’s based on dishonesty from women. Given an honest assessment of the terms of the agreement as they are today, NO MAN would voluntarily enter into it.
Prostitution, however illegal and subject to whatever criticism, is the most honest of the deals that are available in which to trade something for sex. It is by most accounts, the cheapest on a per unit basis, and therefore the most economically efficient for men. Although I have never paid a prostitute for sex, if I look at the sex I got in relationships and the money I spent on those relationships over the course of my life…the prostitutes would have been a much better deal financially.
I think I am forced to accept that trading sex for resources is going to exist one way or another, because women cannot secure their own resources and have little else to trade for them. The question is by what mechanism is this exchange going to occur? Marriage (historically) was a wholesale, long term exchange for a lifetime of resources. That mechanism has become so corrupted as to no longer qualify as an agreement with a ‘good person’ so it can no longer be a ‘good deal’.
Prostitution is, at least, an honest exchange. A real prostitute does not pretend that the deal is anything other than what it actually is. She is trading the sex she has to offer for resources that she needs on terms that are clear, consistent and voluntary. Ironic that this is made illegal and prohibited by the state, but marriage is legal…becuase it seems to me that marriage is the much more fraudulent of the two exchanges.
For me, mgtow is the rejection of the fraudulent institution of marriage. If in the process of going his own way, a man trades resources for real estate, entertainment, travel…whatever, in any honest deal, he is still going his own way. But as I’ve said in other posts, once a man is married, he has nothing of his own anymore to trade for anything.
PS: As for the PUA community, these seem to me to be guys trying to get sex in exchange for the just (and only) the promise of resources, affection, entertainment of their wit-charm-personality or whatever the hell else they think they can promise, (but not deliver) that will get them laid. This looks to me to be guys attempting to out-fraud women in what was an already fraudulent deal.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
As for the PUA community… this looks to me to be guys attempting to out-fraud women in what was an already fraudulent deal.
That is exactly what it is which is why I maintain that PUAs are just as fraudulent as the gold diggers they prey upon. No remotely savvy female would fall for PUA game which is why they run their operations out of the LA club scene where there is no such thing. There is absolutely zero space between a female promising sex then taking your money instead and a PUA promising money then taking sex instead… and I have no respect for any of them. Give me an honest whore and a regular John over those cheating asses any day.
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