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I have a bit of a dilemma. I’m in my early 20’s and haven’t really had “experience” with the opposite sex.
I thought of a number of alternatives that would suite me. Going to a massage parlor, buying a prostitute, or just trying to send women I meet in places “signals” and playing on my terms. Not being some stupid “Alpha” but just showing extreme confidence and walking around like you own the place.
I do NOT want a relationship, or marriage, god forbid. That’s not what this threads about. I just wanted advice from some of the older guys or perhaps those who have used these alternate methods of No Strings Attached Sex, which is the best type.
At the same time, “paying” a woman for sex doesn’t really make me feel good. I don’t feel like giving them my hard earned money BUT this method far outweighs dating (which costs money) or marriage (which could cost you your livelihood).
It’s a tough position.
I’m quite thin, 6 ft, white, not awful looking but don’t have the stereotypical features of striking blue eyes and blonde hair.
Anonymous24At the same time, “paying” a woman for sex doesn’t really make me feel good. I don’t feel like giving them my hard earned money BUT this method far outweighs dating (which costs money) or marriage (which could cost you your livelihood).
No matter how ya slice it, you are paying for sex. I mean now and then you may get lucky and not spend much, or find a really good set up that works for you, but for most men there are long deserts to cross until they get to the next oasis. Prostitution is kept illegal for the most part because of Social Engineering and female voters. They do not want the value of what they have between their legs to have competition and upfront prices. Nor does the state as it keeps it’s menfolk motivated and competitive. I say find a good prostitute and pay for the first few times if you are having a lot of trouble and it is what you want to do. Do not cave to a society that does not have your best interests at heart.
At the same time, “paying” a woman for sex doesn’t really make me feel good. I don’t feel like giving them my hard earned money BUT this method far outweighs dating (which costs money) or marriage (which could cost you your livelihood).
you said it well. it far outweighs dating which costs time and money. therefore, the answer is clear.
or just trying to send women I meet in places “signals” and playing on my terms. Not being some stupid “Alpha” but just showing extreme confidence and walking around like you own the place.
i don’t recommend this option. Women around your age have many many men giving them attention.
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
Buy the services of an escort. They’ll give you exactly what you want, then leave.
At the same time, “paying” a woman for sex doesn’t really make me feel good.
I get what you’re saying, but don’t kid yourself. A traditional relationship or marriage is “paying” for sex indirectly. Even a pick up for a one night stand typically involves you paying for drinks or something like that. Pussy is power for women, and they will use it to get what they want.
…but don’t have the stereotypical features of striking blue eyes and blonde hair.
If you have dark hair and eyes, you may be in luck! Women typically like the tall, dark and handsome type. Dark = complexion, eye and hair color.
Buy the services of an escort. They’ll give you exactly what you want, then leave.
At the same time, “paying” a woman for sex doesn’t really make me feel good.
I get what you’re saying, but don’t kid yourself. A traditional relationship or marriage is “paying” for sex indirectly. Even a pick up for a one night stand typically involves you paying for drinks or something like that. Pussy is power for women, and they will use it to get what they want.
…but don’t have the stereotypical features of striking blue eyes and blonde hair.
If you have dark hair and eyes, you may be in luck! Women typically like the tall, dark and handsome type. Dark = complexion, eye and hair color.
I’m pasty Irish/white, mixed colored eyes, (kind of Greenish if I had to think of a color). I’m tall which is an advantage but I’m thin as a rail at only 140 pounds which Isn’t very attractive I’m guessing. My hair is very dark drown.
I’m pasty Irish/white, mixed colored eyes, (kind of Greenish if I had to think of a color). I’m tall which is an advantage but I’m thin as a rail at only 140 pounds which Isn’t very attractive I’m guessing. My hair is very dark drown.
I was the same way in my early 20s. 6’2″ and 145. I couldn’t put weight on, no matter what I did. Then when I hit 25, I blew up to 230 pounds. I became fat. It was only the last couple of years that I have managed to get my waste down to 31, my weight is 195. Lot of hard work, discipline, and body awareness, I can’t stress enough how important body awareness is when it comes to changing anything about your body.
But yeah, give it time, the weight will come. And on the upside, time is ALWAYS on the male’s side. Men don’t even reach their peak of attractiveness untill their 30s. Right about the same time women start to smear across the Wall.
Although I do find it very amusing that biology basically dictates older male with younger female. If there is going to be attractiveness equity, that is.
Nirvanna is never having to worry about a woman ever again.
At the same time, “paying” a woman for sex doesn’t really make me feel good.
There’s a saying: “You don’t pay a whore to f~~~ you. You pay her to leave.”
That will make you feel better on the spot, but when that sinks in, it comes from an attitude adjustment. It’s the reverse of how you look at it. You’re still at the place (early 20s) where you can’t see the future yet, and patience is key here.
Woman can also sniff a certain attitude and that will come with TIME.
I’m quite thin, 6 ft, white, not awful looking but don’t have the stereotypical features of striking blue eyes and blonde hair.
None of that matters. Really it doesn’t. Eventually you’ll learn that something as dumb and silly as a well-placed joke in a public setting can get a woman to want go home with you with seemingly zero effort.
Example:
I was about 26 and at a table of about 12 people I never met before. Like a work / business dinner where I was a guest visitor. I didn’t interact with anyone beyond “pass the salt”, really…… but my ears where open. I imagine some people were thinking, who’s the quiet guy? Even though I am not. Someone said something that set me up for a GREAT joke and then I suddenly spoke out and delivered a whopping punchline while I continued with my meal. The whole table busted out laughing. It was most unexpected.
3 hours later, I was f~~~ing one of the women at the table while thinking “WTF?? How the hell did that happen?”
“Social proofing.” and “attitude”.
I didn’t have any. Nobody there knew me. But in the company of women, “social proofing” and “attitude” seems to outweigh everything else. One minute I was totally “unpopular”… and with a few words, I was now “the life of the party” with the LEAST amount of effort. She asked me to give her a lift home and that was that. Until that day (at 26), no woman ever had sex with me within hours of meeting me. I always had to at least have one date with her.
I’m telling you this, because you have TIME and don’t need to overthink it or wrestle with whether you should pay her or date her to get laid – or if you’re muscular or not. It’ll either happen , or not happen for OTHER reasons.
I would strongly recommend you just continue to work on YOURSELF at being the best guy you always wanted to be and ignore women and establish yourself. Don’t worry, they will notice you.
send women I meet in places “signals”
Women actually send the “signals”. Hair flips and adjusting themselves etc. If a girl isn’t putting signals out, I wouldn’t even bother with her. I might “flirt” a little – using INUENDOS – but that’s about it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I’m pasty Irish/white, mixed colored eyes, (kind of Greenish if I had to think of a color). I’m tall which is an advantage but I’m thin as a rail at only 140 pounds which Isn’t very attractive I’m guessing. My hair is very dark drown.
I was the same way in my early 20s. 6’2″ and 145. I couldn’t put weight on, no matter what I did. Then when I hit 25, I blew up to 230 pounds. I became fat. It was only the last couple of years that I have managed to get my waste down to 31, my weight is 195. Lot of hard work, discipline, and body awareness, I can’t stress enough how important body awareness is when it comes to changing anything about your body.
But yeah, give it time, the weight will come. And on the upside, time is ALWAYS on the male’s side. Men don’t even reach their peak of attractiveness untill their 30s. Right about the same time women start to smear across the Wall.
Although I do find it very amusing that biology basically dictates older male with younger female. If there is going to be attractiveness equity, that is.
Good point BUT I’d like to stress that this doesn’t happen to everyone. The whole metabolism changing at 25 thing. My uncle is 50, and still thin as a rail.
Im paying 250 dollars a week in alimony and child support not to mention all the other extras. been doing it since 2008 and it wont stop till 2022. that’s what a 10 year marriage costs me, and I was broke when I was married also. so sit back and think real hard and do the math. what do you think your better option is? going to escorts is a simple business transaction, they provide a service for a price and most often they deliver on it. they don’t care about a mans appearance. they do care if you are clean (freshly showered) in which case they will perform better and put more heart into it. also be careful about the bait and switch. this is a trick they use where they post a picture of themselves looking like Selena Gomez but when you get they look more like Rosanne Barr. Good Luck if you choose this option.
"You can either love women or understand them, you can't do both". Truth over everything
I guess my best option is to find a high class, clean escort (when I have a stable career and enough money), who will let me do whatever I want with her. No strings attached. And yes, I’m paying for her to leave, not to stay. Thank you Charlie Sheen.
they provide a service for a price and most often they deliver on it.
True. A hired girl;s job is to come over WHEN you want, to give you exactly WHAT you want, and she’s not going home until YOU are completely satisfied. How many guys can say that about their girlfriends or wives? If dating and marriage is “prostitution” of another sort, then remind yourself a GF/wife wants to control your nut and is more likely to say “no” for YOUR investment, effort, money and time.
“Fix the bathroom tiles or there will be no nookie for you tonight” is a whore in her own marriage.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I’d like to re-affirm that I’m NOT choosing marriage. Ever. That is NOT an option for me. The risk is to much and the return/reward too little, and with 70% of men 35 and under choosing NOT to marry I’d say there’s something to that.
I plan on being free and keeping my money for myself.
Just get an escort girl dude, remember to check her ID and health records before humping and most importantly, hump responsibly, use condom!
Thank you Charlie Sheen
LOL
Good point BUT I’d like to stress that this doesn’t happen to everyone. The whole metabolism changing at 25 thing. My uncle is 50, and still thin as a rail.
If you want to put on weight, there are ways to do it. Google nutrition and find some healthy ways to do it.
The risk is to much and the return/reward too little, and with 70% of men 35 and under choosing NOT to marry I’d say there’s something to that.
There definitely is something to it; however, the female hamster wheel is in overdrive trying to understand it. What are they doing about it? Petitioning the state to extend marriage laws to common law. Telling women to not have sex until marriage because “getting milk without buying the cow” is bad for business. And the shaming is in high gear towards men.
I’m pasty Irish/white, mixed colored eyes, (kind of Greenish if I had to think of a color). I’m tall which is an advantage but I’m thin as a rail at only 140 pounds which Isn’t very attractive I’m guessing. My hair is very dark drown.
I was the same way in my early 20s. 6’2″ and 145. I couldn’t put weight on, no matter what I did. Then when I hit 25, I blew up to 230 pounds. I became fat. It was only the last couple of years that I have managed to get my waste down to 31, my weight is 195. Lot of hard work, discipline, and body awareness, I can’t stress enough how important body awareness is when it comes to changing anything about your body.
But yeah, give it time, the weight will come. And on the upside, time is ALWAYS on the male’s side. Men don’t even reach their peak of attractiveness untill their 30s. Right about the same time women start to smear across the Wall.
Although I do find it very amusing that biology basically dictates older male with younger female. If there is going to be attractiveness equity, that is.
Good point BUT I’d like to stress that this doesn’t happen to everyone. The whole metabolism changing at 25 thing. My uncle is 50, and still thin as a rail.
That video you linked was the FUNNIEST thing I’ve heard in some time.
you have plenty of time as the key-master stated, men get more and more women the more mature and established we get .
you already have the right idea , NEVER get married..so some ideas for you to get laid are
hire a pro.
ask out a girl or two ( or a hundred ) until you get a date set up,
date smart ..never dinner out, meet for coffee and maybe desert.
single mom’s need a man to have sex with ..approach a few ,work on your game..example ..
” well,we’ve known each other a while now (a week should do it ) and i think you are very attractive ,would you like to get together , the thing is , it’s best if i don’t meet your kids..”.
you may be surprised how well that goes !
good luck and remember time is on YOUR side !paying 250 dollars a week in alimony and child support not to mention all the other extras. been doing it since 2008 and it wont stop till 2022. that’s what a 10 year marriage costs me
Paying pros was cheaper than marriage, for, me, by about 40%. No s~~~. I did the math: $250 for an attractive, attentive, sweet chick that shows up & leaves when i want vs. ~$440 for in-relations~~~/marriage sex, when she decides she’s in to it.
I don’t really look at it as paying $250 for an escort, but saving $190 each time. And that doesn’t even account for the time/aggravation/drama bulls~~~ savings.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of a lot of the guys here, I suggest waiting until you can find a woman who wants to, for free, have sex with you. “Losing your virginity” is a personally significant moment for many reasons. It’s the first time when you become aware of what pleasure is capable to you on this earth. Remember that for the rest of your life, you’re going to remember your first time in quite a bit of detail, what you were thinking, what she looked like, smelled like, etc. Do you really want your first time to be with a prostitute?
Your “failures” with women in the past does not mean your life is doomed to follow the same pattern for the rest of your life. Who knows, maybe you’ll be some pimp in your forties, why not?
Maybe I’m just some cloying romantic, but I really do feel that a man’s first time ought to be special.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
At the risk of incurring the wrath of a lot of the guys here, I suggest waiting until you can find a woman who wants to, for free, have sex with you. “Losing your virginity” is a personally significant moment for many reasons. It’s the first time when you become aware of what pleasure is capable to you on this earth. Remember that for the rest of your life, you’re going to remember your first time in quite a bit of detail, what you were thinking, what she looked like, smelled like, etc. Do you really want your first time to be with a prostitute?
Your “failures” with women in the past does not mean your life is doomed to follow the same pattern for the rest of your life. Who knows, maybe you’ll be some pimp in your forties, why not?
Maybe I’m just some cloying romantic, but I really do feel that a man’s first time ought to be special.
I’m 21. I’m not waiting until I’m in my 30’s to “have that one special moment” when I know it won’t come, at least anytime soon in my 20’s. I don’t go out as it is. I need to get out more once I get my car back.
Remember that for the rest of your life, you’re going to remember your first time in quite a bit of detail, what you were thinking, what she looked like, smelled like, etc. Do you really want your first time to be with a prostitute?
I respect your point of view and it has some validity, but you don’t necessarily remember your first for the rest of your life. I lost my virginity 26 years ago, and I remember very little of the detail you mentioned.
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