Polyamory

[arnquistParticipant 11]

I’ve been talking about evolutionary psychology and MGTOW a lot with two women. Women are surprisingly very open to conversation about evolutionary psychology if you present it in a positive and personal way, and focus on pointing out that men and women are just different and evolved for different functions and have different mating strategies. Thanks to MGOTW I have a more confident, waste no time, take no bulls~~~ attitude that they seem to find very attractive. I’m very open about the fact that I am seeing both of them (though they have never met each other) and they’ve already started showing signs of jealousy and possessiveness.

As Spock would say, I find this reaction “Fascinating!”

This situation has led me to research polyamory. I first heard about polyamory from a kotaku article earlier this year. I thought it was interesting but never imagined I would ever be in a situation where it might be relevant to me. So, now I’m going to attempt to teach them about polyamory in the same way I taught them about evolutionary psychology and MGTOW, focusing on the positive, personal aspects. We’ll see how it goes, it might drive them both away, but I’m okay with that.

It seems to me, that human society has quickly become more peaceful and egalitarian than it ever has been. Human relationships have started to reflect that naturally. I think polyamory just goes a step further and recognizes that a shift away from monogamy is not only natural, but can be acceptable and ethical.

That said, I’m not trying to advocate polyamory, I’m just saying it’s been a refreshing discovery for me. I am sick of the jealousy, mind games and double standards of traditional relationships. I’m aware that polyamory isn’t a cure for these problems, but at least it’s an approach that demands honesty about those feelings.

[McQueenParticipant 77]

Evolutionary psychology is fascinating, but you can’t reform biology. When in doubt, I use biology as my guide. I ask myself “what would nature do”? Women practice psychology in their actions and behavior, and make emotionally based decisions, but biology doesn’t lie and that’s where the fundamentals are. All their talk about relationships and the way they “think it’s supposed work” is hogwash. Animals don’t give a second thought to any of it.

[arnquistParticipant 11]

Well, one of them finally showed her true colors. What I thought was a genuine connection turned out to be her extreme passiveness. She simply agreed with everything I said because she wanted to be accepted. It’s really sad that I didn’t see it sooner. When I pushed her to make her own decision, take a risk, express her own opinion or take responsibility for her own actions, she would avoid blame, say “I don’t know” or “I feel too pressured.”

Oh well… another one bites the dust.

[arnquistParticipant 11]

<cite>@mcqueen said:</cite>
Evolutionary psychology is fascinating, but you can’t reform biology. When in doubt, I use biology as my guide. I ask myself “what would nature do”? Women practice psychology in their actions and behavior, and make emotionally based decisions, but biology doesn’t lie and that’s where the fundamentals are. All their talk about relationships and the way they “think it’s supposed work” is hogwash. Animals don’t give a second thought to any of it.

That is one hell of a “red pill” for me, I don’t know if I’m ready to accept that yet, but I’m afraid you’re probably right >_<

[KeymasterKeymaster]

That is one hell of a “red pill” for me, I don’t know if I’m ready to accept that yet, but I’m afraid you’re probably right >_<

You may find it a relief and an indicator not to overthink, or read into everything too much, or search for “meaning” when there often isn’t any. Lets not forget, women are GROSSLY unaware of their own attraction mechanisms. They don’t even understand it themselves, but if you’re one step ahead and understand women better than they understand themselves, you’ll do fine and have a tremendous advantage over them. So the psychology is worth learning. Education is never a waste.

As an example, if you know “I want a nice guy” doesn’t actually mean “I want a nice guy”, then your already well on your way.

What I thought was a genuine connection turned out to be her extreme passiveness. She simply agreed with everything I said because she wanted to be accepted.

I know one girl in particular REALLY guilty of that. She barely had a pulse. Hot as hell though, but complete s~~~ at initiating anything (including a thought) and bad at responding too. Passive to the extreme. I could have thrown my dick into her and it’s like she wouldn’t have notice and said “did we just have sex?”. That’s how passive she was.

Here’s another red pill for you. You know that pedal-driven wheel a blacksmith uses to sharpen metal objects, like swords and blades? I think it’s called a “pedal grinder”. Women are EXACTLY like that. They are designed only to respond. As long as you keep pumping the pedal, you get some action and may even see sparks flying(!!)… but as soon as you remove your foot and stop working, nothing ever happens. It just sits there, waiting for the next guy to do all the work.

That’s a woman.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[arnquistParticipant 11]

I’ve been thinking a lot about McQueen’s comment about biology. Biology vs society, that’s basically what it all boils down to. Men are polygynous and women are hypergamous. Marriage is a social construct designed to minimize the chaos of our own biology. Being faithful to one partner is difficult for rich men and beautiful women because their biology is telling them they could do better.

Men hide their feelings and women hide their desires. Because if men expressed their attraction to all the women they found attractive they would look like playboys and if women expressed their true desire to marry a rich and powerful man, they would look like gold diggers. Shaming words like playboy and gold digger are intended to keep our biology in check and keep society functioning.

I admire the polyamory community. They’re essentially following their biology and saying society should change its views to allow them to do that without shame. But I don’t think I have the emotional fortitude for open relationships.

There are guys who are “setting up franchises” as Tyler Durden calls it, and just treating women as a place to deposit sperm. There are other guys who are giving in to the new cultural norms and acting like their wife’s slave. Neither option appeals to me.

At this point, I’ve just given up. It is what it is. I’m just going to stop dating for a while, get more money, get a better job, then see if I can find a girl who is maybe a 6 or a 7, who can admit to her own hypergamy and agree to keep it in check for the sake of having a family.

[arnquistParticipant 11]

One more interesting observation I’ve made… If rich men use women for sex, rich women use men to fulfill their “romantic fantasies” …the passive woman I mentioned before was like this. I dated one other woman like this before too. She used her personality disorder as an excuse, but she was essentially doing the same thing.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I’ve been thinking a lot about McQueen’s comment about biology. Biology vs society, that’s basically what it all boils down to. Men are polygynous and women are hypergamous.

Correct! But let’s not forget, even when driven by biology, a man can enjoy many lovers WHILE he his married and still successfully maintain a marriage and family. Until recently in human history, it’s been very common for the most desirable men to act on their biological desires while continuing to support a family and still love their wives. That IS the male biology. More importantly, any “mistakes” he makes along the way (i.e Arnold Schwarzenegger) he will pay for. The female does not. She expects the “right” to destroy a marriage and family – AND collect an outrageous payout for it while acting on her hypergamy.

It is what it is.

… is said by those who are complacent and willing to accept an unacceptable situation.
“It is what it is” doesn’t have to be OK with you. And you can change it.

At this point, I’ve just given up. It is what it is. I’m just going to stop dating for a while, get more money, get a better job, then see if I can find a girl who is maybe a 6 or a 7, who can admit to her own hypergamy and agree to keep it in check for the sake of having a family.

That’s a very “liberal” (and progressive?) attitude. I doubt I would be capable of it – even if I were to accept her hypergamy. But she will have no place in my life. You can accept the female hypergamous nature with ZERO INTENT to provide her the opportunity to indulge in it. If “it is what it is”…. then let her deal with it and pay for her mistakes and choices herself – just like a man would be expected to.

I’m just going to stop dating for a while, get more money

“Ignore bitches. Acquire currency”… is an expression for a reason.
When you are successful enough, you will be able to write your own ticket.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MajorHeelsParticipant 47]

Women are sexually driven creatures with 3 times the sex drive of the male.

However, this has been beaten down by religion, demonology, lilith, eve etc etc.

Simply put my brothers.

Woman IS the WHORE !!

And WHORE is ONLY considered a “insult” because of monotheistic BULLS~~~ religions and their cradle to grave educations.

She wants to and will F~~~ anyone !! and she can and will do so with NO EMOTION at all.

Forget the “chaste” princess, or the “ladies” honor and women ONLY f~~~ men they LOVE etc etc etc etc !!

It ALL LIES.

She simply wants SEX with whomever she wants, when she wants and everything her own way.

Your JOB is to get the sexual power balance in your favour and enjoy the above facts without letting the “inner little boy/knight” be fooled !!.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I met a woman at a Halloween party and when my douchebag player friend tried to pick her up, she offered me her number instead. I could see she was one of those Luna Lovejoy types who is into astrology and chakras and typical feminine mystical bulls~~~ but I know quite a bit of bulls~~~ myself so thought it would be entertaining to get together with her and see what was new in the dippy young chick department (note that she is 24 and I am 45).

As it turns out, this girl was totally down to have sex with me but before we do, she needs to get permission from her “primary”. Yeah, she’s into polyamory. Now me, I think polyamory is bulls~~~. Show me a relationship where there’s two guys and one girl and I’ll show you at least one guy who thinks there is one too many guys. Poly arrangements usually involve a dominant and oversexualized female, a beta provider and a thug where the woman’s power over the beta is so great that she actually gets him to provide for the thug too. Now this girl wants me to join her little constellation… so long as I will follow the rules (no showers, no anal).

So I f~~~ed her on the second “date” (come to my place and bring a bottle) and yes, I definitely used a condom (even though I have a vasectomy) then did her in the shower the fourth time she came over. She’s coming by in a few days and I’m going to f~~~ her in the ass and then tell her to get lost.

You are stupid and your rules are stupid and since none of the other “men” in your life have the b~~~~ to give you what you deserve, then I guess it falls to me.

I never really thought of myself as a “sport f~~~er” or about getting with someone just to make a point before but I guess that’s the way it’s working out. I suspect it’s a sign that I’m not far off from giving up on women entirely.

[arnquistParticipant 11]

Haha, great story! I’ve heard of a lot poly relationships like that, but there are also poly relationships that are more serious and long term.

I kind of did the same thing recently. I ended up sleeping with the girl who has a boyfriend kind of just to make a point that she wasn’t as faithful to her boyfriend as she thought she was. We had a big fight afterwards and we avoided each other for a long time. Then we ran into each other at a party and now we’re hanging out as usual, like nothing even happened, she’ll probably be down to f~~~ again any day now. It’s funny, I see myself turning into “that guy” now and I don’t even care anymore.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Steve, that’s not poly… that’s a cheating whore.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

As long as you keep pumping the pedal, you get some action and may even see sparks flying(!!)… but as soon as you remove your foot and stop working, nothing ever happens. It just sits there, waiting for the next guy to do all the work.

That’s a woman.

 

TOO TRUE!

I swear to god, for awhile that type of Female was attracted to Me. This one girl I knew I use to call Her “Going to the dentist” because talking with Her was like pulling TEETH!. I can’t stand a Woman who can’t add to a conversation, even if you bring up something totally stupid like 6 inch stilettos, they’ll just have this zombified look on their face like the thousand yard glare.

The worst is when you’re with a group of friends and they bring that one girl who either is so much of a ditz, or she just sits there with a blank look on her face. f~~~in irritating.

 

 

 

 

 

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[KeymasterKeymaster]

This one girl I knew I use to call Her “Going to the dentist” because talking with Her was like pulling TEETH!

A perfect analogy. I hate that kind of chick. They’re game, anything goes, they are into it and respond just fine, but if you relax or shut down for an evening and just want to “be” they’re a f~~~ing drag to be around.

Guys are really good at entertaining themselves.
Women say “Im bored” and expect OTHER people to entertain them.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[In Which We ServeParticipant 111]

I’ve always been puzzled by polygamous set ups, eg of the traditional kind like the old Mormons, or middle eastern sultans etc.  I’m not so interested in modern western polygamous setups, because as far as I can tell they tend to be rather odd people into all sorts of weird ideas anyway.

I used to think ‘how can one man put up with all those women nagging’ but now I think, that the men (either consciously or subconciously) play the women off against each other, and the women compete to keep the man happy. If one of them nags him, he just leaves her and goes off to see another wife.

I suspect this is why feminists don’t like this kind of thing as it gives way too much power to the man.

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