Police: Arrest vs. Settlement

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

It seems like dispute settlement (without an arrest or fine) has become a lost art in modern law enforcement (USA). About 30 to 40 years ago, police officers used to let people off with a warning on regular basis if there was some sort of minor conflict between two parties or a minor traffic violation (example: changing lanes with no signal). You could even talk your way out of a ticket/arrest if you were fairly skilled at negotiating. Now it seems like the cops just want to arrest people just because they feel like doing it or something was said to them that was offensive (but true). I realize that there’s good cops that do a great job protecting us—I’m just tired of the ones who think their badges give them license to bully people.

I want to live in a nation where people don’t get fined or arrested unless their behavior truly warrants such punishment. I don’t want little kids being handcuffed for a simple schoolyard brawl. I don’t want parking tickets to cost more than $20. And I don’t want anyone looking inside of my car for drugs if I’m being pulled over for a broken taillight. There is a big difference between violent criminals and regular people. Regular people don’t need to be threatened—they WANT to live in an orderly society. Police departments should be focused on stopping crimes as they occur instead of looking for potential criminals.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[SlayherParticipant 2074]

FunInTheSun wrote:

Now it seems like the cops just want to arrest people just because they feel like doing it or something was said to them that was offensive (but true).

People that follow the rules and don’t break the law don’t have this problem. (Very true)

Instead of complaining why not join or do some volunteer work with an agency? Maybe then you would have a better grasp and understanding what they experience.

[Anonymous 42]

Abolish the Police, make owning a loaded gun mandatory, wait for the smoke to clear, live in peace…

[Honorable_Juice_BoxParticipant 591]

I would hardly blame the police officers themselves for this as most stupid policies and procedures are pushed down from higher ranking officials who are never out on patrol.

There are without doubt bad police out there, but there are also many who are good officers just doing their jobs.

Slayher wrote:

People that follow the rules and don’t break the law don’t have this problem. (Very true)

Agree 100%
Treat the police with respect and they will do the same. The people who get arrested the most are also the ones who do not treat officers with respect and resist them (in general).

[RoyDalParticipant]

One of the many life lessons I learned from the excellent Godfather series of novels is — obey all traffic laws. By extension, this applies to all laws in general.

The characters in The Godfather saved their law breaking for when it really counted. Otherwise, they stayed off the radar.

I believe most cops do not want trouble of any kind. They just want to finish their shift and go home. That said, I happen to know some departments award promotions according to how many traffic tickets the cop writes — it’s a major source of income for the town. Thus, obey all traffic laws, and let some other sucker pay.

I also know of a few schoolyard bullies who saw an employment opportunity: They get paid for being the town bully. Thus, it is best to stay off their radar.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[RoyDalParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Abolish the Police, make owning a loaded gun mandatory, wait for the smoke to clear, live in peace…

This is a valid point! It is a historical fact that the US western frontier was almost violence free — in spite of what Hollywood has been feeding us since the silent movie days.

The reason is the obvious one: Anybody some random bully might pick on was likely to be packing heat, and a big knife too. Therefore, polite good manners ruled the day.

Shootings did happen, but they were usually voluntary, meaning duels.

Women were especially safe on the streets of a frontier town. If a man failed to tip his hat or step aside to allow her to pass, he was a candidate for a bruising. Put that in your smoke and pipe it, feminazis!

Food for thought:

1. Chicago is a gun free zone. Chicago set a record for shooting deaths this year, and the year isn’t over.

2. When Florida allowed concealed firearm carry, crimes against women dropped to 25% of its previous level. As far as I know, it has stayed low.

Lesson learned: Predators will choose prey that cannot fight back.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 16]

True you know why people have no respect? THERE IS NO FEAR.
If you are stronger you abuse the weaker.
In this days you can basically do what ever the hell you want, lets say you are broke, live on the street, you are hungry… want a fast solution? kill 10 random people, go to jail, have a roof over you head, food and gym for free… any way.. freedom to pay taxes.. it is freedom?
At least in europe, jail aint soo bad. we dont care anymore, except for death, its the only thing that scares most of people.
In old times if you offended me, i chalenge you to a pistols figth and shoot you down, now there is no consecuences for p~~~ing people off. Soo everyone gets offended by everthing “specially the truth”.

About the cops… its business, fines are like taxes, more money for goverment, thats all.

[xenonParticipant 2007]

As municipal budgets continue to get tighter and tighter you should expect more resource extraction from police. I employ the solution expounded upon already here. I check all lights on my car on a regular basis, and I obey all traffic laws. I am polite and respectful to all police officers I interact with. I pay enough into this system already via property and school tax to open myself up to the “ticket plus court fees plus surcharges” extraction method. From what I hear from less careful others, the fees often exceed the ticket now. Increased auto insurance is another piper to pay in the end for vehicular misbehaving.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

privatized prisons are a big industry now and a powerful lobby. They want you in jail. I remember an article about cops in New York planting marijuana on innocent people to make quotas. Quotas ultimately set by the prison industry. Judges give harsher sentences as well. Why? The more people in jail and the longer they’re there means bigger profit for the prison industry, all paid for by your taxes.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[xenonParticipant 2007]

Privatized prisons and, for that matter, privatized schools are going to be seen as a HUGE blunder when they are finally abolished. I am just afraid that in order for the people to do away with these complete social injustices it might take complete social revolution. Our current form of government is never going to willingly extract the greedy hands of corporations from a money supply. Quite the opposite in fact, as long as there is a cut or a bribe for them in it.

[EekParticipant 1162]

Police are also becoming more of a means of government fund raising rather than law enforcement or public safety.

Think of all the money that comes into the government from tickets, court fees, property seizures, and other fines. That military surplus gear many police departments are rocking these days do not buy themselves.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22558]

FunInTheSun wrote:

It seems like dispute settlement (without an arrest or fine)

It has all become an extortion scheme from the top down. The more the male victims are harmed and stolen from, the more everyone else involved in enriched from their victims’ suffering.

The solution is not to play the game. Unplug, go monk, and escape into a minimalist lifestyle where you focus on yourself and use your time for your benefit, where no one else benefits from your time.

Slayher wrote:

People that follow the rules and don’t break the law don’t have this problem.

You have clearly no idea that the law is designed to steal, enslave, and imprison men. If you follow the rules than the rules will make you suffer for your sense of responsibility.

This is why minimalism exists. To disconnect from the misandry society as much as possible, and to allow MGTOW to benefit from a lifestyle that rewards them the most and has the least taken from them by this sexist, man-hating society.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Slayher wrote:

People that follow the rules and don’t break the law don’t have this problem. (Very true)

Here is the problem. I parked in my driveway with the garage open while unloading crap. My bumper was sticking out 15 inches into the sidewalk. F~~~ing son of a bitch gave me a 69 dollar ticket for blocking the sidewalk in 45 seconds! I watched her drive away and it was obvious I was unloading. Sorry dude, this p~~~es people off

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[SlayherParticipant 2074]

Faust For Science wrote:

You have clearly no idea that the law is designed to steal, enslave, and imprison men. If you follow the rules than the rules will make you suffer for your sense of responsibility.

I understand that you’re referring to social injustices. I was referring to criminal acts and behaviors.

Chaff/Flare wrote:

Here is the problem. I parked in my driveway with the garage open while unloading crap. My bumper was sticking out 15 inches into the sidewalk. F~~~ing son of a bitch gave me a 69 dollar ticket for blocking the sidewalk in 45 seconds! I watched her drive away and it was obvious I was unloading. Sorry dude, this p~~~es people off

I’m sorry that happened to you.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

uchibenkei wrote:

The more people in jail and the longer they’re there means bigger profit for the prison industry, all paid for by your taxes.

Do they really want to live in that kind of world? Suppose it doesn’t work in their favor at times? Example: a friend or relative goes to prison on false testimony/false evidence.

It seems counter-productive, to me, to have a large population with a criminal record—-thus making it difficult for them to find employment and more likely to survive on government aid. Governments will get their tax revenue if they can ensure the public is WORKING.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

FunInTheSun wrote:

uchibenkei wrote:

The more people in jail and the longer they’re there means bigger profit for the prison industry, all paid for by your taxes.

Do they really want to live in that kind of world? Suppose it doesn’t work in their favor at times? Example: a friend or relative goes to prison on false testimony/false evidence.

It seems counter-productive, to me, to have a large population with a criminal record—-thus making it difficult for them to find employment and more likely to survive on government aid. Governments will get their tax revenue if they can ensure the public is WORKING.

DO you think the prison industry thinks about or cares about what they are doing to society or about their profit margins? Of course it is wrong and counter productive and shame on them and shame on the politicians who enable them. But the decision makers don’t care. They won’t be held accountable. Their families won’t go to jail.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

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