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Philosophical and ethical questions of justifying a Dark Age?
Recently, with the bigoted witchhunts of the members of the SJWs and Metoo, I have thinking about some deep philosophic and ethical questions deal with the foundations of civilization and the possible justifications of tearing down civilization with the goal of seeking freedom for oneself.
You see, I am guilty of the greatest blood label of all time, I was born a white male in the southeastern United States. Because of who, what and where I was born, I am blame for all the evil, tyrannical acts of humanity, from insults to mass slavery, even through I have not personally committed any of these acts.
This bigotry towards me was used as a foundation for all the abuse by the true bigots against me in my life, along these false accusations against me were used distrust any of my intentions and to justify denying any opportunities in life.
The foundations of this bigotry are found in a twisted interpretation of history.
So, the solution to be free of this bigotry is to erase all records and ban the learning of all history.
One cannot be hated for actions in history if no one knows history.
Of course, to erase all records and ban the learning of history would be the definition of creating a Dark Age.
And to accomplish such acts one would have to make a beast of oneself to escape the pain of being a man. As the actor and writer Doctor Johnson once stated. In other words, one would have to become a tyrant to truly be free.
This line of thinking, while including MGTOW as a factor, with MGTOW being about improving oneself as an individual, one realizes one either becomes a tyrant or a slave. The communities will always see to make individuals slaves to the communities. And one cannot truly escape this situation by walking away, eventually the community will for a confrontation of some sort. So for an individual to be free of the communities, the individual must become a tyrant and enslave the communities on the justification of freeing oneself.
I guess this concept could be called, “Freedom through tyranny.” Freedom for oneself through acts of tyranny against one’s enemies. This is likely how the most monstrous tyrants in history justified their actions.
I do not have much a solution for these questions. I do not like any of these answers that such questions bring. So, I am asking for your opinions on such matters?
Heavy is the head that wears the crown. Personally I wouldn’t want the job. It’s Damocles sword all over again. That’s not freedom to me.
Freedom is my right to live in accordance as a free child of my Living God. Not the whims of any man.
Principles dictate real freedom, but also comes with barriers as a protection against ever lasting harm to one’s self.
It also encompasses not treading on another’s freedom. Do no harm. On the macro level. Love of God results in a healthy long life. Love of neighbor means you respect all those as you would yourself. If these simple principles were followed, the world would be a much better place.
My mind is racing so I hope this makes sense.. Lol
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I see a couple issues with the theory. First off, if you became a tyrant, there won’t be any need to destroy history, as a tyrant has the ability to dictate history. Not only history, but current facts. You can ban free speech and run a state controlled media. In prison anyone who speaks out against you. It’s being done in several different countries around the world right now.
And you’re basically saying that in order to gain freedom yourself, you must take away the freedoms of others. Granted, those others are trying to take away your freedoms, but is winning the war worth compromising your principles? After you done the deeds to gain your freedom, are you now changed into something else that even you can’t respect?
And you could also argue that all your accomplishing is kick starting the next stage of the cycle, rather than coming to an actual solution to the problem. A restart, particularly with a loss of history, will not keep humans repeating the same mistakes all over again. Women will still be women. Minorities will still feel that they have not been treated fairly.
Overall, I don’t think there is a real solution, when the problem is human nature. Any fix you may have is only partial and temporary. At the risk of bringing religion in to the discussion in a limited context, the bible says (I forget where) “you will have much trouble in this world, but take heart, I have overcome the world”. For me personally, that’s one of the things that keeps me holding on to some level of faith. I cannot fathom how to live in this world without trouble.
Ok. Then do it.
It also encompasses not treading on another’s freedom. Do no harm. On the macro level. Love of God results in a healthy long life. Love of neighbor means you respect all those as you would yourself. If these simple principles were followed, the world would be a much better place.
This is why I pose these questions.
And as some point, a person has to defend their freedom, or that person has no freedom at all.
And as some point, a person has to defend their freedom, or that person has no freedom at all.
Nobody has that level of freedom. For example, you can’t just walk up to me and say “Hey, I like your car better than mine. I’ve just traded you and that’s my car now.” If you can’t do that, are you truly “free”? Well, a dictator has that level of freedom, thus your point I suppose.
I would say that the level of freedom you are talking about requires you to put your desires above the actual needs of every other human being on the planet. And then, since you know you are screwing everyone else over, you will live in fear of reprisal, which means you aren’t really free.
I would suggest that maybe you think about it in terms of the maximum amount of freedom you can obtain. How do set up your life to be as free as you can be without p~~~ing someone off to the point that you worry about retaliation? That seems to be the constraint at the upper end of maximizing your freedom.
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I think defending your freedom is the wrong phrase. It will be more like defending your right to live. If you pay attention to the rhetoric of the Soros funded hate groups,….they do not want your freedom, they want your life. It is a question of when and where are they going to strike and what is going to be the response not only from the population attacked, but the state and nation.
mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/
My definition of freedom would be having a CRISPR and genetically engineering something from Ebola and Smallpox, etc that could wipe out the entire human species, then coming up with a single-dose vaccine. Then dosing myself with the vaccine, and then taking a vacation around the world and unleashing the virus on all the continents. Then going to an isolated area where I would have food stockpiled, probably underground, and then come out and celebrate when the rest of the species is dead.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Anonymous38The only way to be free of the tyranny of the human race is to kill yourself. We’re all victims to varying degrees, but we are MEN and we don’t bother with that mindset as it’s so limiting. If you choose life, it’s about navigating skilfully to avoid the tyranny as much as possible. i.e. MGTOW.
NFG, MGTOW, Monk is probably the best you can do.
from insults to mass slavery,
Yet today there is african slavery in Libya and no one cries rascisim about that . The navagator gets his ride free were others work years and alot die .
The crying rascist bulls~~~ is just to silence the people . Its a way of getting free s~~~ . I find it wierd how people are afraid of been called rascist .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Anonymous1The Dark Age is already here. We are not the cause of it. When a structure’s foundations are rotting and unsound. Sometimes it is best to pack it full of demolitions and take it down. Its safer than trying to fix it.
MGTOW and walk away. Let the Birth Rate collapse and the Welfare System will implode. The Welfare System cannot survive with an aging demographic. This big Ponzi Scheme that Socialist Feminism has fed into for decades is coming to an end. The left wants to bring in immigrants to prop up the Welfare Scam. Its backfiring on them though. Immigrants are taking more Welfare than they are paying in.
The Left is f~~~ed. This situation was inevitable ever since FDR and “The New Deal” put us on this road to destruction. Taxes kept going up to push back the collapse date, but they can’t keep the collapse off any longer. Its coming…
Look at the Education System of USA. High school Graduates that are illiterate. STEM Scores have been dropping for decades. Middle Schoolers using Crack and Ecstasy. Teachers raping students in epidemic proportions. That’s a far cry from Enlightenment Values.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” Georges Santayana, Professor of Philosophy, Harvard University.
The teaching of history and historiographical methodology (essentially critical thinking), is one of the most powerful forces against tyranny.
Philosophical and ethical questions of justifying a Dark Age?
Recently, with the bigoted witchhunts of the members of the SJWs and Metoo, I have thinking about some deep philosophic and ethical questions deal with the foundations of civilization and the possible justifications of tearing down civilization with the goal of seeking freedom for oneself.
You see, I am guilty of the greatest blood label of all time, I was born a white male in the southeastern United States. Because of who, what and where I was born, I am blame for all the evil, tyrannical acts of humanity, from insults to mass slavery, even through I have not personally committed any of these acts.
This bigotry towards me was used as a foundation for all the abuse by the true bigots against me in my life, along these false accusations against me were used distrust any of my intentions and to justify denying any opportunities in life.
The foundations of this bigotry are found in a twisted interpretation of history.
So, the solution to be free of this bigotry is to erase all records and ban the learning of all history.
One cannot be hated for actions in history if no one knows history.
Of course, to erase all records and ban the learning of history would be the definition of creating a Dark Age.
And to accomplish such acts one would have to make a beast of oneself to escape the pain of being a man. As the actor and writer Doctor Johnson once stated. In other words, one would have to become a tyrant to truly be free.
This line of thinking, while including MGTOW as a factor, with MGTOW being about improving oneself as an individual, one realizes one either becomes a tyrant or a slave. The communities will always see to make individuals slaves to the communities. And one cannot truly escape this situation by walking away, eventually the community will for a confrontation of some sort. So for an individual to be free of the communities, the individual must become a tyrant and enslave the communities on the justification of freeing oneself.
I guess this concept could be called, “Freedom through tyranny.” Freedom for oneself through acts of tyranny against one’s enemies. This is likely how the most monstrous tyrants in history justified their actions.
I do not have much a solution for these questions. I do not like any of these answers that such questions bring. So, I am asking for your opinions on such matters?I really need to finish my book on this.
All of the problems you speak of have been around for longer then you can imagine. And all of them will come back no matter what you do.
The problem is choice.Each problem you speak about and its solution have all been tried before. There is no solution. That is the answer to to all questions.
Human being are flawed in their nature. We are slaves even if we want to admit it or not.
I really wish I could explain to you why white men will always be the fall guy. But in order to do that, I would have to write damn near a book.
You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home
Fox & Friends‘ Brian Kilmeade Stalked and Heckled into NYC Subway
Fox & Friends‘ Brian Kilmeade Stalked and Heckled into NYC Subway
the envelop is being pushed, screaming in a subway car not to far from physical attack.
mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/
Faust For Science asked for opinions concerning a solution of preventing the destruction of history.
I do not have much a solution for these questions. I do not like any of these answers that such questions bring. So, I am asking for your opinions on such matters?I am coming from the perspective of a 56year old white male from the south, so I can relate demographically.
My great grandfather was a black freedman who took a white wife at the turn of the last century and had an only female child who mothered me after my parents divorce. her name is Mary Mae. she is my grandmother Mary.. HA! HA!
My solution is to learn true history and toss it up in the face of stupid crybabies who are the real racist.
I live privately as a humble slave who is self evidently the first born son of my Mother Mary’s last born son..
I live Publicly as My father the son of Mary an unforgiving tyrant who takes no s~~~..My heavenly father is of Irish decent who gives the name McKinney to his posterity.
He keeps my history as HIS STORY also called my private administrative record.I have the bloodline including the great grandfather who was BLACK I am not ashamed and do not hate anyone for their skin color.
This is my father’s spirit talking to any BLACK MGTOW MEMBERS here. I love you all but please do not claim my ancestry did not know slavery..
IRISH: THE FORGOTTEN WHITE SLAVES
They came as slaves: human cargo transported on British ships bound for the Americas. They were shipped by the hundreds of thousands and included men, women, and even the youngest of children.
Whenever they rebelled or even disobeyed an order, they were punished in the harshest ways. Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. Some were burned alive and had their heads placed on pikes in the marketplace as a warning to other captives.
We don’t really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? We know all too well the atrocities of the African slave trade.
But are we talking about African slavery? King James VI and Charles I also led a continued effort to enslave the Irish. Britain’s Oliver Cromwell furthered this practice of dehumanizing one’s next door neighbour.
The Irish slave trade began when James VI sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies.
By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat. At that time, 70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves.
Ireland quickly became the biggest source of human livestock for English merchants. The majority of the early slaves to the New World were actually white.
From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and another 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade.
Families were ripped apart as the British did not allow Irish dads to take their wives and children with them across the Atlantic. This led to a helpless population of homeless women and children. Britain’s solution was to auction them off as well.
During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. In this decade, 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia.
Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers.
Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. They’ll come up with terms like “Indentured Servants” to describe what occurred to the Irish. However, in most cases from the 17th and 18th centuries, Irish slaves were nothing more than human cattle.
As an example, the African slave trade was just beginning during this same period. It is well recorded that African slaves, not tainted with the stain of the hated Catholic theology and more expensive to purchase, were often treated far better than their Irish counterparts.
African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (£50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than £5 Sterling). If a planter whipped, branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African.
The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce.
Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish mothers, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their children and would remain in servitude.
In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls (many as young as 12) with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves.
This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.
England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.
There is little question the Irish experienced the horrors of slavery as much (if not more, in the 17th Century) as the Africans did. There is also little question that those brown, tanned faces you witness in your travels to the West Indies are very likely a combination of African and Irish ancestry.
In 1839, Britain finally decided on it’s own to end its participation in Satan’s highway to hell and stopped transporting slaves. While their decision did not stop pirates from doing what they desired, the new law slowly concluded this chapter of Irish misery.
But, if anyone, black or white, believes that slavery was only an African experience, then they’ve got it completely wrong. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories.
But, why is it so seldom discussed? Do the memories of hundreds of thousands of Irish victims not merit more than a mention from an unknown writer?
Or is their story to be the one that their English masters intended: To completely disappear as if it never happened.
None of the Irish victims ever made it back to their homeland to describe their ordeal. These are the lost slaves; the ones that time and biased history books conveniently forgot. The blood of Jesus is the only blood that really matters. a slave is a slave is a slave and the color of a slave has no bearing on his/her truth.
Love and respect to all without prejudice
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Not sure if my solution would be called ethical by some people, but teaching the truth about any subject should be considered helping those who really want to gain wisdom and my father’s opinion on ethics goes like this;
“It should never be considered unethical to help someone in need of enlightenment.”
Faust For Science my solution is exclusively my solution, but it did involve me becoming a tyrant.
As long as people treat me as they would have me treat them we stay private and I am but a humble slave who loves, respects and forgives everyone..
if you bear false witness against me, tell em what happens dad
DO NOT ACCUSE MY SON IN PUBLIC AND EXPECT ME TO BE AS FORGIVING I WILL LOOK INTO YOUR EYES AND SEE INTO YOUR HEART AND IF I DO NOT FIND JESUS, I WILL LABEL YOU INSTEAD OF LETTING YOU LABEL MY SON. I WILL LABEL YOU LESS THAN A MAN AND MAKE IT STICK LIKE GLUE!!! DON”T SCREW WITH MY ONLY BEGOTTEN!!! HE IS MY EXCLUSIVELY PRIVATE SLAVE AND I AM A JEALOUS
GOD WHO DOES NOT ALLOW ANYONE BUT MYSELF TO PUNISH HIM.
I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN HIM A LIFE SENTENCE IN MY ASYLUM THAT IS HARSH ENOUGH FOR ONLY A GROSS MISUNDERSTANDING..
I CAN TESTIFY MYSELF THAT HE LOVES EVERY ONE OF YOU AS HE SAYS…I DID NOT RAISE A LIAR..BLESS YOU ALL FROM MY KINGDOM…I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
great thoughts and comments, just wanted to refresh this one since I was digging up old threads, didn’t meant to bury this one
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