Pareto Principle

[El SidParticipant 265]

Apologies for raising this if anyone has mentioned it before, but is anyone familiar with the Pareto principle? Basically it’s like this. You spend 20% of your working day doing 80% of your work. You then spend the other 80% of your day clearing the the other 20% of your s~~~. 20 % of racehorses win 80% of races. 20% of a nation’s population own 80% of it’s wealth. You get the picture. It’s never an exact ratio, but 20/80 (or 80/20) seems to pretty much cover all aspects of life as we know it.

What if the 20/80 or 80/20 rule covered relationships? I read recently that in ancient history, the tribe leader was literally the tribe father and he and his chosen men (bouncers) had first access to the nubile hotties and propagated accordingly (wouldn’t you?). You look at our close relatives Gorillas and Chimpanzees, there’s a similar pattern where the Silverbacks (probably 5-10%) get first dibs on banging the prime monkey pussy. Obviously, being monkeys AND females, they occasionally “branch” and allow fit orbiting males to pound their pudenda – which would make up the remaining 20%.

So with this in mind, why was marriage invented? My guess is it was originally dreamt up by the 80% of beta males desperate to get their genes into the pool previously only accessible to the 20% of alpha males. I know the Alpha/Beta thing is a source of argument on here, but I think it’s a relevant factor and can’t be ignored. Does any other species have such an arrangement? In nature, one ape/lion/whatever will fight another ape/lion/whatever and the winner inherits a harem. We may have a veneer of civilisation which disappears whenever a Hitler or a Stalin comes along, but are we really any different from our tribal ancestors of five thousand or ten thousand years ago?

So, you’re plodding along with your lovely wife/partner/whatever, everything in the gardens’ rosy, when along comes: Chad Silverback. Charismatic, Devil may care, fit, horny, dangerous and edgy. Your woman sees him, wets her knickers, and immediately forgets you exist. As I’ve explained above, marriage is unique to our species and was contrived to allow beta males unprecedented access to reproductive females. It’s an arrangement, nothing more. She on the other hand is programmed to receive seed from any suitable donor as I’ve alluded to above. Programming will always trump convention.

I’ve been on the wrong end of this equation, several times. It no longer bothers me as I feel I’ve dodged a bullet with all my ex’s, and because of my punishing fitness regime I’m now the silverback that all men fear 🙂

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

80/20 is how they divide your assets in the divorce. I don’t have to explain who gets the 80.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[El SidParticipant 265]

I hear you brother, hope you got left enough to live on.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

You might be right except for one small detail. I just read an article about the most feminist nation on earth: https://mic.com/articles/114962/here-s-how-iceland-became-the-most-feminist-country-in-the-world#.IIWpcMsvE

And guess what? Marriage is almost non-existent. So perhaps eliminating marriage results in the explosion of left-wing feminism. Hardly a worthy goal. (I might also point out that hardly anyone in Iceland believes in God.) I sense some linkages here: Atheism, feminism, left wing state-ism. This sounds like a toxic brew to me.

Where did marriage originate? who knows but it seems to have worked for thousands of years–until recently when our little entitlement minded snowflakes decided they needed their freedom form the evil old patriarchy.

[El SidParticipant 265]

Hi Pete,
Doesn’t surprise me that Icelanders are not big on the Christian God, they’re Vikings after all! I think it more likely that the explosion of left wing feminism destroyed marriage there, personally. As you say, the institution of marriage seemed to work for a long time, at least superficially, but as society breaks down the old conventions will collapse with it. I’m not sorry. I wouldn’t want to see any man being led up the aisle for slaughter again.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

There is an interesting book I read years ago—I’ll try and find it in my library but it was about war in primitive tribal cultures. And the researcher found that tribes would generally only go to war when the young men in their tribe outnumbered the young women by some %. And the “wars” fought were not all that deadly. He found statistically that only a very few were actually killed.

His hypothesis was that war in a tribal state is engaged in for the purpose of equalizing the ratio of young males to young females. Of course if it is the case that the Chief is banging all the young women this wouldn’t hold true. And I’m not sure a young man would hang around the tribe if he had no prospects. And its harder to believe he would risk his life for the Chief/tribe etc. without the lure of some reward.

I’m not trying to take issue with your theory, I’m just playing devil’s advocate because I DO think there is some merit to your hypothesis that marriage is a contrivance, an artifice that may have outlived its utility. So good point!

[El SidParticipant 265]

Pete, I’m open to constructive criticism of my theory. It’s helped me make sense of women’s strange behaviour, so I think I’m on the right track with it. And it’s nice that as brothers we can discuss it and maybe even differ over aspects of it, but conduct ourselves like gentlemen in the process. Kudos to us both!

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

El Sid wrote:

And it’s nice that as brothers we can discuss it and maybe even differ over aspects of it, but conduct ourselves like gentlemen in the process. Kudos to us both!

That’s what I love about MGTOW. Sometimes the debates a get a little out of hand but after the perfunctory F~~~ yous are exchanged its over and we move on.

Anyway you just HAD to make me get up and go look for the book—just HAD too.

Professor Marvin Harris, Cannibals and Kings, the Origins of Cultures (1977) He also authored Cows Pigs Wars and Witches. Anyway fantastic book—yes long out of print but if you have a decent used book store near you be on the look out. If you do not have a decent used book store near you I recommend Chamblins Bookmine. The have a website Chamblins.com and their phone is 904-477-9416

I’ve been to this place and its amazing—you could spend days there literally. Think of a old basement or cellar full of books—but the size of a walmart box store—yeah! If it can be had they will have it.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

I think I read about this principle where 20% of humans prefer knowledge, while 80% prefers ignorance. Not sure where I read this. If this is true, then the maximum percentage of men who will wake up from their stupor (MGTOW) are those 20%’ers, while the rest are hangers-on that won’t have much of a choice (blue-pillers).

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[experiencedParticipant]

Since looking at the ratios forces us to look at the big picture, my hat is off to you.

Perspective is one of the strong points of mgtow, especially from a tactical as well as strategic point of view.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

In Iceland the government (you) pays for your neighbors kids.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[AkanbiParticipant 2120]

Skeptisk wrote:

I think I read about this principle where 20% of humans prefer knowledge, while 80% prefers ignorance. Not sure where I read this. If this is true, then the maximum percentage of men who will wake up from their stupor (MGTOW) are those 20%’ers, while the rest are hangers-on that won’t have much of a choice (blue-pillers).

I’ve noticed this too. Most humans are just ok with being sheeple.

I’ve discussed true knowledge and the red pill with some people and they just don’t seem to get it. They’re just too blind to realise the falsity in what they think is right.

Glad to be part of the awake “20%’ers”. The remaining 80% can keep wallowing in the matrix.

My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

El Sid, I’ve found it true in multiple relationships.

20 percent of what my mother wanted me to do was reasonable and I did it without complaint. The other 80 percent I spent an inordinate amount of time avoiding, delaying, and refusing to comply. My dad’s requirements were the reverse.

In my marriage only 20 percent of all things were worth me exercising my desire/opinion and I didn’t ever budge. The other 80 percent of choices I left to her because I didn’t feel strongly one way or the other.

There is something to what you’re saying about marriage though. The principle would indicate that 20 percent of the men are going to have all of the sex, so yes marriage and the “locking down” of the Alphas aspirations to get them all would theoretically increase the other 80 percents chance of access to women, but that assumes that married women will abide their vows.

It’s an interesting theory and conversation. Whether marriage was originally established to join nations and establish peace between factions or whether pair bonding is natural for humans no longer matters.

It’s 2016, and laws have been corrupted to the point where a man has to consider whether it’s his b~~~~ or his head that he wants to place in the guillotine to get involved with a woman.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[El SidParticipant 265]

Ogre wrote:

It’s an interesting theory and conversation. Whether marriage was originally established to join nations and establish peace between factions or whether pair bonding is natural for humans no longer matters.

A good point Ogre, about marriage as a tool to mend differences between neighbours, in prehistoric times that would have saved much bloodshed, even if it condemned the husband to a living death 😉

Pistol Pete’s observation regarding tribal menfolk going to war when men are in surplus is interesting also. It would effectively whittle the numbers down and weed out the weaklings, making the tribe stronger in the long run. I’ve also read somewhere that the Vikings started their expansion into Europe at a point when the males started to outnumber the females. Lots of younger sons with no inheritance to look forward to, not surprising they started Going Their Own Way!

[JimBoLeaParticipant 1891]

WHEN MY PARENTS GOT A DIVORCE IT WAS THE RULING OF THE JUDGE TO GIVE 80% CAUSTITY TO MY MOTHER AND 20% TO MY FATHER . AND THESE RULES WERE TO BE SWITCHED WHEN I WAS IN MY TEENS.
MY MOTHER HAD A STROKE AND WAS PARALYZED ON HER LEFT SIDE THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON MY FATHER, THE CAD LEFT HER. SHE DID THE BEST SHE COULD RAISING ME, BUT THE PAIN AND TORMENT BOTH MY PARENTS WENT THROUGH , NO CHILD SHOULD HAVE TO WITNESS. I REMEMBER BEING TORN APPART EACH TIME I WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH THE OTHER, HAVING MY EMOTIONS FOR ONE RIPPED OUT AND PUT NEW ONES IN EXAMPLE MOM WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR , SO I COULD GET AWAY WITH A BUNCH OF S~~~, ON THE OTHER HAND, MY FATHER WAS NOT VER LEANYANT , BUT TOLERANT WHEN I WAS LEFT TO MY OWN DEVICES.

IT HAD REALLY MESSED ME UP GOING THRU SCHOOL .
THINKING FRIENDSHIP COULD BE BOUGHT WITH A PRICE. HOW F~~~ED UP WAS THAT THINKING. BUT IT HAS BROUGHT ME HERE TODAY, BEING FREE TO DO THE THINGS I WANT TO DO.

LILITH IS THE HEAD SUCCUBUS AND SHE LIVES ON THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

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