Overpopulation and the response of humanity

[GeraldParticipant 3620]

So I got off on this tangent last night while thinking and trying to fall asleep. I am no philosopher or scientist or hell, probably even arguably that intelligent.

There have been things I have heard of in the past, that soon we will be reaching a tipping point in the world. At some point the balance of what the earth can sustain will be reached and something will force population to drop, be it starvation, pestilence… Or a slow down in the affinity to produce offspring.

Now being the semi-intelligent creatures we are, could it be that the two conflicting ideas, feminism and MGTOW are both different psychological responses to a physiological problem, that of over population?

What I am getting at, in a weird way, is the “hive” meant to cause a slow down in birth rates to further the species? Is it possible (now I know this won’t be popular but it was a thought that came to me), that the effective response to feminism of MGTOW, is just another birth rate prevention mechanism?

While I don’t think that is the case, as I see MGTOW as a philosophy that allows men to experience life as they should, is there some subconscious mentality that draws us to a lifestyle that likely slows or avoids births, in some sort of sick, hive mentality?

I know, strange thoughts sometimes happen in the dead of night, or perhaps I have been watching too much science fiction again….

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Both feminism and MGTOW have been previously discussed here as viewed from this angle.
Basically feminism, through it’s promotion of abortion and older marriage age (i.e. less time to have kids), could be a form of social engineering aimed at reducing population.
Similarly, MGTOW, again, viewed from this angle, if basically a philosophy that encourages men to not have children.
So, let’s say the Illuminati or whatever their name is, decide to TRICK people into reducing the population, these would be good avenues for them to follow, aside from the supposed chemicals in the air and the water and all the other theories out there.
Now, from these two, feminism would make sense to be employed. First, because women are a lot easier to manipulate. Secondly, because women can have a limited amount of children in a limited amount of time, so if you convince half the women to not have children, you will severely reduce the number of children being born. Third, because this brainwashing will be also beneficial to the other agenda of the “Elites” which is growing government.
As for MGTOW, I don’t see it as making much sense for the would be Elite Illuminati Masterninds.
First, because men can have an almost infinite amount of children, so even if you convince half the men to not have children, the rest of the men will gladly fertilise all of the women. Secondly, MGTOW also means less resources being produced by men and consumed by the Elites. Also less taxes, and of course MGTOW are against big, centralised government.
So no. I don’t think it’s some kind of population reduction conspiracy. It does not make economic sense.
In fact, depending on the models you read, research suggest that the planet could sustain upwards of 50 billion people with our EXISTING technology, let alone future discoveries.
And, as we know, kings and queens always want more subjects to leech off of. They need workers in their factories and new generations of consumers for their planned expansions. It does not make sense that “They” would want to reduce the population. Especially the highly productive western population. If anything, they would be trying to reduce the 3rd world population which lives in poor conditions and is not “productive”, but as we can clearly see, that is the population that is continually growing.

Anyway, that was the short version of how I see it. Again, these ideas do come up from time to time here in the forums.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Gerald wrote:

…is there some subconscious mentality that draws us to a lifestyle that likely slows or avoids births, in some sort of sick, hive mentality?

To answer this more specifically, apparently there is such a mentality, at least in some animals. It’s called Behavioral sink.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[GeraldParticipant 3620]

John Woods 13 wrote:

Both feminism and MGTOW have been previously discussed here as viewed from this angle.
Basically feminism, through it’s promotion of abortion and older marriage age (i.e. less time to have kids), could be a form of social engineering aimed at reducing population.
Similarly, MGTOW, again, viewed from this angle, if basically a philosophy that encourages men to not have children.
So, let’s say the Illuminati or whatever their name is, decide to TRICK people into reducing the population, these would be good avenues for them to follow, aside from the supposed chemicals in the air and the water and all the other theories out there.
Now, from these two, feminism would make sense to be employed. First, because women are a lot easier to manipulate. Secondly, because women can have a limited amount of children in a limited amount of time, so if you convince half the women to not have children, you will severely reduce the number of children being born. Third, because this brainwashing will be also beneficial to the other agenda of the “Elites” which is growing government.
As for MGTOW, I don’t see it as making much sense for the would be Elite Illuminati Masterninds.
First, because men can have an almost infinite amount of children, so even if you convince half the men to not have children, the rest of the men will gladly fertilise all of the women. Secondly, MGTOW also means less resources being produced by men and consumed by the Elites. Also less taxes, and of course MGTOW are against big, centralised government.
So no. I don’t think it’s some kind of population reduction conspiracy. It does not make economic sense.
In fact, depending on the models you read, research suggest that the planet could sustain upwards of 50 billion people with our EXISTING technology, let alone future discoveries.
And, as we know, kings and queens always want more subjects to leech off of. They need workers in their factories and new generations of consumers for their planned expansions. It does not make sense that “They” would want to reduce the population. Especially the highly productive western population. If anything, they would be trying to reduce the 3rd world population which lives in poor conditions and is not “productive”, but as we can clearly see, that is the population that is continually growing.

Anyway, that was the short version of how I see it. Again, these ideas do come up from time to time here in the forums.

Ok, I get the ‘elite’ theory and don’t really feel that was the angle I was thinking. I was thinking less ‘conspiracy theory’ and thinking more biological imperative of a species mindset that can morph into different philosophies depending on how the mind interprets it.

All probably dug through before, but was just where my mind took things last night as I tried to will myself to sleep.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[GeraldParticipant 3620]

John Woods 13 wrote:

Gerald wrote:

…is there some subconscious mentality that draws us to a lifestyle that likely slows or avoids births, in some sort of sick, hive mentality?

To answer this more specifically, apparently there is such a mentality, at least in some animals. It’s’s called Behavioral sink.

Interesting, and perhaps more where I was headed… And I am starting to wonder what other factors this behavioral sink might impact…

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Population growth IS slowing down in many Western countries; in the US, it’s being called the ‘baby bust’. The decrease in growth is masked by immigration which also increases population. It is much more visible in Japan, where immigrants are prohibited.

I don’t see MGTOW per se as having a great deal to do with this, but men are opting out of marriage. They don’t regard themselves as sole breadwinners, and expect women to work. With college loans and other debt, and poor job prospects for blue collar men, fertility rates are down. The wealth redistribution ‘Plan’ in America is for both parents to work, and neither to have time for the Children, because they both must work to pay the Tax Monster and redistribute their income to the Mob outside of Rome (or non-working parasites). And keep up with the Jones’s best they can. The decline of religion also plays a role.

Don’t worry. Eventually our Overlords and Masters will provide a Baby Bonus and other incentives whereby the childless take it up to a$$ financially to encourage higher fertility rates. That is, after all, what Hitler did.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22510]

Look, globalist one worlders are gonna be globalist one worlders.

Everything they attempt to plan has multiple goals.

Feminism was created to create discord among thinking people. Just another offshoot form of communism. Destruction of the family. Conflict required for the dialectic process to work. The destruction of men because men are more independent and less controllable/malleable than women who go along to remain in the group and have security.

MGTOW is a natural response by a thinking man in light of the policies society and govt have put in place against him.

All these policies were already put in place to shut him down. The fact that it may mean less kids in the world was already considered by both sides. The men are not terribly upset given 7.5 billion folks and rising, no worries the human race is dying off anytime soon. The one worlders see it as a way to go after in particular, white conservative men.

Ifwe do not give a f~~~ what women think, we should not give a f~~~ what the globalists new world order folks think either. We can be aware, but we are still winning.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Women nature is treacherous, selfish.

Our nature is agresive and prone to self preservation.

Feminism liberated women to be the bitch they really are. MGTOW is the defensive mechanism of men.

They knew it, an exploited our nature to control population.

Sound like conspiracy theory but is quite posible.

When things are under control, shift to a more patriarchal society.

ENTER THE MUSLIMS.

In 50 years Japan population will be 80 million. Europe is stagnating.

There is a problem with this IT WONT WORK. Muslims reproduction rate is too high. Instead of controlling population growth they are gonna have a baby boomers Muslim generation. 10 billion people might be reached sooner than expected.

“If there is one way in an infinite number of choices to do a task the wrong way, someone is gonna do it exactly that way”. Murphy

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Johndom999Participant 376]

Population reality: In both Canada & USA our populations are growing. In approximately 25-50 year’s Caucasians will be the minority. This may be unprecedented as I don’t know of any race that willingly chose in becoming a minority.

[Anonymous 1]

Gerald wrote:

What I am getting at, in a weird way, is the “hive” meant to cause a slow down in birth rates to further the species?

Look into the Mouse Utopia Experiment called “The Beautiful Ones.” They have done studies and the species mentality will react in situations of overpopulation to correct itself. Survival instincts on a mass level.

As John Woods stated, the birth rates are really determined by the women. A few men could theoretically impregnate almost of the women in this country. It is the women that are choosing not to have children anymore. Feminism and the rise of the career-woman is a big part of this phenomena, but also birth control methods. MGTOW shouldn’t have much of an impact on birth rates given there are more than enough Chads out there to knock up a few hundred sluts.

[MonkParticipant 16983]

FrankOne wrote:

Eventually our Overlords and Masters will provide a Baby Bonus and other incentives whereby the childless take it up to a$$ financially to encourage higher fertility rates. That is, after all, what Hitler did.

So did Mussolini. Except that in those cases they were looking to upgrade as well as increase the population.

What the elite want is to downgrade, then exterminate.

[MonkParticipant 16983]

Gerald wrote:

At some point the balance of what the earth can sustain will be reached and something will force population to drop, be it starvation, pestilence …

Malthus.

Modern medicine and advances in agriculture have delayed the crisis, not averted it.

[AttonParticipant]

Now being the semi-intelligent creatures we are, could it be that the two conflicting ideas, feminism and MGTOW are both different psychological responses to a physiological problem, that of over population?

I think it has less to do with population but more to do with the explosion of wealth that is the industrial revolution.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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