Opinions on Stefan Molyneux

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

He has quite a few videos on his Youtube channel that look like potential interesting listens. What’s the consensus on his credibility when it comes to MGTOW and his views in general? I see he supports that new age nonsense of not punishing your children, as if they are rational beings that you can get through to with reason and logic. That and I’ve heard he is a proponent for anarchy as well, which is ridiculous to say the least.

 

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I started a thread about this. Stardusk talks about him.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Richard FordParticipant 7]

He says some v good things and I would call him an ally and an MRA.

He believes in the power of psychology and philosophy to redeem the individual. Many MGTOW do not really believe in personal redemption and so this can seem blue pill to them.

He describes himself as a libertarian but I agree that he sometimes sounds like an anarchist. I listen to him and take what I consider to be true and discard the rest.

[creativeParticipant 1]

I am a Molyneux fan. He is more of an anarchist than libertarian. And yes, he does not advocate ‘punishing’ children in a physical sense. He does advocate educating them with ‘reason and logic’.  How far do you think physically beating you would go? You might comply but it would not make you a better person.

Anarchist … Please look up the definition of anarchy before you knock it. Don’t buy into the definition that has been thrust upon you. One of the definitions is:

The absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

It is not chaos. It is not cars burning in the street. It is the ideal that free man can choose their own paths and associations without a third party dictating it to them.

[Sigma LondonParticipant 37]

I don’t always agree with him and I was really disappointed with the Peter Joseph Zeigeist non-debate. He often has good things to say and he has certainly influenced me. I can’t really comment authoritatively on his anti-child violence stance because I am not and probably won’t be a father, but as an individual who had the will of my parents occasionally imposed on me physically as a child I am inclined to agree with him.I grew up knowing my parents are irrational fools. They did not do themselves or me any favours.

I’m glad he exists. He certainly has something different to say and he has forced a lot of red pills down mens throats.

 

[Single_elgniSParticipant 2]

There are a lot of things I disagree with him on but he has the history of slavery in the Americas spot on. I descend from Irish slaves (i’m 50% Irish).

[FrostyParticipant 1]

I agree with a lot of what Stefan has to say, he’s admitted that he’s an anarchist/libertarian and I’ve come to follow the libertarian movement and support it.

Arguments for anarchism are complex and based on the moral principles of the NAP (non aggression principle) and may sound odd or strange to someone who is unfamiliar with the concepts. It’s worth reading and learning about it first before coming to the judgement that supporting anarchism is insane. He’s a principled person who believes in a peaceful and cooperative civilization, where interactions are voluntary and win/win rather than win/lose.

Needless to say I don’t agree with everything he says, I’d describe myself as a minarchist, a libertarian who believes in very small and minimal government, he takes libertarianism to it’s most logical extreme conclusion which is anarchy.

He’s a good speaker and he presents coherent arguments for the principles, my main complain about him is the psychological leaps he makes about people and callers, his truth about videos are also really good where he presents a lot of evidence and research into various people.

Libertarianism and anarchism are topics you have to approach with an open and logical mind, you need to be somewhat principled in your outlook in life, if you’re an “the ends justify the means” kinda person, where using violence against innocent and peaceful people is acceptable as long as you achieve some greater goal then it’s not for you. If you believe in a peaceful where all initiation of violence (even that of the state) is immoral then you might just find his work life changing.

If MGTOW keeps growing and influences society to a large degree we’re going to find out extremely fast just how much MGTOW needs libertarianism and a push back against the state to be viable, in this regard he’s an ally of MGTOW and he’s an ally of the MRM as well which is a good thing. There’s some things in government and law that MGTOW cannot protect you from for this reason I think it’s important that MGTOWs consider the libertarian position.

[MGTOWBostonParticipant 6]

Stefan is a liar and has a flare for a very cult-like style at times.

His conception of things is myopic and flawed.  There is more going on than ‘state=bad, private property=good=capitalism=good.’  I challenge his definition and conception of each one of those terms, so I find him to be way off.

He is not an anarchist.  He is a capitalist.  Lets not confuse the concepts.  Anarchism is about more than a state-less society, it is about challenging the legitimacy of any claim to power.  This includes challenging capitalism and the money economy that it is based on.

As for his relationship to MGTOW, he’s married and lies to cover up his wife’s professional mistakes.  MGTOW is so much bigger than the entire sphere of thought that he is a branch of.

Across the board people all over the world are realizing that decentralization – i.e. more democracy –  is the solution to our problems (‘our’ meaning everyone other than the ruling class).  But democracy is not something Libertarians are into.  An important question to ask oneself as a MGTOW is this; What values or convictions do I hold that are unrelated to MGTOW that are as important to me or maybe more important to me than my MGTOW values?  This determines what type of social vision any particular MGTOW has.  Some people will affirm their belief in a Libertarian viewpoint, and others will affirm a belief in a different vision.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Stefan is being sued.

 

http://www.fdrliberated.com/exclusive-stefan-molyneux-sued-for-misrepresentation-defamation/

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

The Stardusk video sums things up pretty well. I like some of SM’s videos and his ability to put forward an argument but he just has too much of the guru persona to completely trust him, especially when it comes to him not wanting to admit being wrong because it could hurt his business as Stardusk pointed out.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

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