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This seems to be the default position for most modern women. “I’m not that kind of girl” talk yet they clearly are. I realise it’s a s~~~ test of course and it’s also a hypocritical double standard to frame you as a player etc if she finds out about other women. For those of you still in the shark infested waters of casual dating how do you handle this as a MGTOW? Part of me is disgusted by what women class as “dating” yet it’s also my viewpoint. Exclusivity seems insanity and whatever they say the odds are they are a slut. I hope this doesn’t come across as PUA. It is just bothering me because I find juggling several females quite stressful and part of me yearns for a life without them. But I still have those needs for sex and companionship at times, but obviously on my own terms. Cheers.
If you fall down 7 times, get up 8
I handle it by disengaging.
On the other hand, JFK was assassinated shortly after suggesting that the best thing to do with the US involvement in Vietnam would be to “disengage.”
Oh well, I’d rather be shot by a lone gunman than be married to Hitlery.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I handle it by telling them, “NO” every chance I get.
: “No. I will not go in bareback.”
: “No. You may not move in.”
: “No. I will not take you to Costa Rica – unless you’re paying, dearest.”
: “No. I will not sign a marriage contract.”When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
If it’s becoming stressful perhaps it’s time to reevaluate what’s more important.
1. Get a fleshlight
2. Call escorts as needed
3. Take the necessary steps to ensure your future self has the financial freedom to whatever, whenever
4. Hit the animal shelter for a companionIf you still want to deal with women just reframe them as the little children wearing adult clothes that they are. Then laugh.
I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?
If it’s becoming stressful perhaps it’s time to reevaluate what’s more important.
1. Get a fleshlight
2. Call escorts as needed
3. Take the necessary steps to ensure your future self has the financial freedom to whatever, whenever
4. Hit the animal shelter for a companionWhy evaluate ? They all have value. You have the freedom to participate in none, any or all. Every day is full of possibilities.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
Anonymous2For those of you still in the shark infested waters of casual dating how do you handle this as a MGTOW?
Go Galt. Be unapologetic about other women. If that makes her whine too much, dump her ass. Don’t let her find out on her own, TELL HER about these other women. S~~~ test her, if you like, see how far you can go with details. Don’t juggle between them. Remove the ones that do not approve of your poly ways from your life. Relationships are illusons. Make sure she understands she’s not your wife but your f~~~buddy.
I don’t understand how you are tying hypergamy and exclusivity together. I see them as somewhat related since a woman who finds her resource is unlikely to want to share it with others. On the other can, a man she puts little value is unlikely to get a commitment from her.
The way I see it, I don’t care about hypergamy as she’s not getting my resources regardless. If she wants exclusivity and I don’t have interest elsewhere, fine. If not, then she can walk. If I don’t want to see her because she’s dating others, then I won’t.
It sounds to me like you’re trying to date based on some established set of morality. You don’t need that, other then honesty. If a woman doesn’t want what you want, then walk. If she wants something out of you that you don’t want to give, then walk. Simple.
Or…just take matters into your own hands.
Ok. Then do it.
In my opinion, women only want exclusivity when it is convenient for them. The second they find a willing upgrade over you, you are history. But, see, it’s ok because you are the one being dumped. They can’t stand, for a millisecond, the thought of being dumped by you. Therefore, you get the exclusivity s~~~ test.
Anonymous18Whenever you think you are playing a woman, she is playing you.
You can’t expect to meet quality women (yes it is a relative term – some are std infected, psychologically troubled mess, others less so) without focusing on yourself.
When you are juggling multiple women (unless you are Chad’s dad) you are taking time away from yourself.
One pussy if you must. Anything more you are wasting your time.
Women will drop you the minute something better comes along. If she keeps her options open, then she’s a “free, modern, empowered, liberated woman.” If you keep your options open then you’re a “player.”
Except we all know that women have plenty of men lined up ready and waiting if you break up, and even if you don’t they’re still fooling around. Exclusivity and monogamy directly benefits women. She locks you down so she can extract your money, while she goes out f~~~ing dudes. They want you do be sitting around, waiting on deck for when SHE’S ready, but DON’T YOU DARE try to do the EXACT SAME THING!
It’s bulls~~~, it’s a s~~~ show, and you’d be a fool to fall for it.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
The way I look at it. If I don’t want to see anyone else and I want to let her know, I will. If I want to see other people and want to let her know, I will. I don’t really care what kind of commitment she might make to me because I expect her to break it, and there are no real consequences for breaking it any way.
It’s not really an issue for me though as it’s unlikely I’ll get a situation where some sort of exclusivity is an issue really.
Ok. Then do it.
I don’t understand how you are tying hypergamy and exclusivity together.
Women want the freedom to monkey branch away whenever they feel like it but hate seeing any other monkeys on their current branch.
I deal with it by not giving a f~~~. These are their problems, not mine.
: “I hate sharing you with other women. I don’t want to be just another woman in your harem.”
: “Then don’t be. You are free to leave at any time.”Thanks for all the interesting responses. Alot of wisdom here. I might print this thread out. I think I do have some deeply wired moral code or sense of “doing the right thing” conflicting with knowing the truth. Whereas we all know women make decisions based on the “feels”, monkey branching etc.
The way I look at it. If I don’t want to see anyone else and I want to let her know, I will. If I want to see other people and want to let her know, I will. I don’t really care what kind of commitment she might make to me because I expect her to break it, and there are no real consequences for breaking it any way.
It’s not really an issue for me though as it’s unlikely I’ll get a situation where some sort of exclusivity is an issue really.
I agree.
If you fall down 7 times, get up 8
I don’t understand how you are tying hypergamy and exclusivity together.
Women want the freedom to monkey branch away whenever they feel like it but hate seeing any other monkeys on their current branch.
I deal with it by not giving a f~~~. These are their problems, not mine.
: “I hate sharing you with other women. I don’t want to be just another woman in your harem.”
: “Then don’t be. You are free to leave at any time.”The predictable double standards. A good way to handle it too.
If you fall down 7 times, get up 8
Thanks for all the interesting responses. Alot of wisdom here. I might print this thread out. I think I do have some deeply wired moral code or sense of “doing the right thing” conflicting with knowing the truth. Whereas we all know women make decisions based on the “feels”, monkey branching etc.
Of course you have a moral code. You’re a man. I was no different from you. The earlier you truly acknowledge and accept that women don’t have a moral code, you will be more empowered to re-evaluate what is the right thing. I can guarantee the women will not be doing the right thing when it comes to you.
For those of you still in the shark infested waters of casual dating how do you handle this as a MGTOW?
Go Galt. Be unapologetic about other women. If that makes her whine too much, dump her ass. Don’t let her find out on her own, TELL HER about these other women. S~~~ test her, if you like, see how far you can go with details. Don’t juggle between them. Remove the ones that do not approve of your poly ways from your life. Relationships are illusons. Make sure she understands she’s not your wife but your f~~~buddy.
Totally agree, when I was plate spinning I tried to hide the other women I was seeing and it was hard work. Obviously they would eventually find out I was seeing other women, yet instead of dumping my arse they would want to see me even more. The ones I cancelled on at the last minute because I had a better offer were the ones that kept coming back for more.
If you have options and are f~~~ing other women then that means you obviously have a high SMV. Women love guys who have options as it means they have a don’t give a f~~~ attitude, have more confidence and are not clingy. They also think they are lucky to have you as you have other options and are choosing them over the others (for that night anyway).
basically don’t lie, if they ask you outright if you are seeing other people then say yes. I ended up splitting with a woman as I was seeing someone else and she just said I don’t care about the others, I just want someone to go out with and f~~~ on a Saturday and proceeded to tell me that she wanted to go out for dinner that Saturday but wanted me to f~~~ her hard as soon as I got through the door before we left.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
I’ve opted for honesty and let the chips fall where they may. She asked if I was seeing others – I said I hadn’t recently but I had someone coming over next month for nine days. Think this girl going to play the victim though – but “I’m not seeing anyone” etc (which I DON’T believe). Regardless I feel better anyway – covering tracks is too stressful and the truth feels good and liberating. And yes in the past they still want you anyway….
If you fall down 7 times, get up 8
For those of you still in the shark infested waters of casual dating how do you handle this as a MGTOW?
Background: Got my divorce late last year, been dating casually since. I’m currently bedding two women with a twenty+ year age difference between them…it’s a bizarre set of circumstances. I’m nearly sixty, and not a PUA, a bit pudgy, balding, with average height and looks. BUT, I value myself, and do interesting things/activities. When you’re active, you meet people – – including women. Some of those women are worth approaching.
BUT, I only plan to attend events that I want to enjoy (dinner, movie, whatever), then invite a woman along. If she agrees but flakes on me, no loss, I enjoy the event by myself, and I scratch her name off the list. Usually though – because I so rarely invite women out – she invites me. Since I have a wide range of interests, I have a good time.
If she invites me to something lame like a romantic comedy movie, I decline but offer an alternative and explain that she hasn’t earned enough credit to make me suffer through a romcom yet. That usually gets a laugh. The unspoken subtext is: no lame dates until you’ve been on your knees a few times and earned enough credit to ask me to suffer through that crap, sweetie. They get it, if they have any brain cells (and I don’t date dumb broads, no matter how hot they look).
If there’s no sex by the end of the third date (and I do NOT spend a lot of cash on the first three dates), then we’re done. Absolutely NO exceptions…I’m not your Beta provider or an orbiter to be strung along for your benefit, darling, I AM the prize. It’s a strict cost/benefit analysis, and her cost is too high for the market…there’s a billion of them out there and I’m not wasting my time obsessing over any one of them regardless of how attractive her package may be. Besides, the phrase “Desire is not negotiable” is always correct – – if she can keep her hands off you by the third date, there’s no spark worth stoking. The younger woman that I’m dating now nearly raped me by the end of the third date, she was so turned on by everything that had gone on before.
Good answers above about the usual BS that women throw at you regarding exclusivity. I always say that I’m recently divorced and am “just dating.” Who/how many women I’m dating and whether I’m sexual with those women, is NOT any of their business. It tends to either make them stop seeing me (no great loss) or to get them into a competitive mindset. I probably get away with it because I have a decent income, a somewhat prestigious job, am articulate (women LOVE to talk), I do interesting things/activities, and I clearly have a No F~~~s Given attitude, but combined with a friendly and polite demeanor. Not to brag, just a fact.
All that said, if my dating options were to collapse tomorrow, and I couldn’t attract ANY quality women, I’d still have a damn good life. THAT is my goal – – any woman can only be a complement to my life, but never the focus. If a woman stops being a positive factor in my life and becomes a long-term detriment or impediment, I eject her immediately, no exceptions. (Hell, she’d do the same to me, regardless of their outraged denials.)
For those of you still in the shark infested waters of casual dating how do you handle this as a MGTOW?
Background: Got my divorce late last year, been dating casually since. I’m currently bedding two women with a twenty+ year age difference between them…it’s a bizarre set of circumstances. I’m nearly sixty, and not a PUA, a bit pudgy, balding, with average height and looks. BUT, I value myself, and do interesting things/activities. When you’re active, you meet people – – including women. Some of those women are worth approaching.
BUT, I only plan to attend events that I want to enjoy (dinner, movie, whatever), then invite a woman along. If she agrees but flakes on me, no loss, I enjoy the event by myself, and I scratch her name off the list. Usually though – because I so rarely invite women out – she invites me. Since I have a wide range of interests, I have a good time.
If she invites me to something lame like a romantic comedy movie, I decline but offer an alternative and explain that she hasn’t earned enough credit to make me suffer through a romcom yet. That usually gets a laugh. The unspoken subtext is: no lame dates until you’ve been on your knees a few times and earned enough credit to ask me to suffer through that crap, sweetie. They get it, if they have any brain cells (and I don’t date dumb broads, no matter how hot they look).
If there’s no sex by the end of the third date (and I do NOT spend a lot of cash on the first three dates), then we’re done. Absolutely NO exceptions…I’m not your Beta provider or an orbiter to be strung along for your benefit, darling, I AM the prize. It’s a strict cost/benefit analysis, and her cost is too high for the market…there’s a billion of them out there and I’m not wasting my time obsessing over any one of them regardless of how attractive her package may be. Besides, the phrase “Desire is not negotiable” is always correct – – if she can keep her hands off you by the third date, there’s no spark worth stoking. The younger woman that I’m dating now nearly raped me by the end of the third date, she was so turned on by everything that had gone on before.
Good answers above about the usual BS that women throw at you regarding exclusivity. I always say that I’m recently divorced and am “just dating.” Who/how many women I’m dating and whether I’m sexual with those women, is NOT any of their business. It tends to either make them stop seeing me (no great loss) or to get them into a competitive mindset. I probably get away with it because I have a decent income, a somewhat prestigious job, am articulate (women LOVE to talk), I do interesting things/activities, and I clearly have a No F~~~s Given attitude, but combined with a friendly and polite demeanor. Not to brag, just a fact.
All that said, if my dating options were to collapse tomorrow, and I couldn’t attract ANY quality women, I’d still have a damn good life. THAT is my goal – – any woman can only be a complement to my life, but never the focus. If a woman stops being a positive factor in my life and becomes a long-term detriment or impediment, I eject her immediately, no exceptions. (Hell, she’d do the same to me, regardless of their outraged denials.)
Sensible choices 🙂 have you listened to Leykis 101? – it reminds me of his rules
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