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I would like to make the following suggestion: Skype Pre-screening
How it would work?: Before making the final move to arrange a first date, try video-chatting with the prospect date for 10-20 minutes. It doesn’t have to be Skype. Doing this will allow you to see two things, 1)That the girl in the picture looks the same in real life, and 2) How well she can make on-the-spot conversation vs. text chat.
Please respond with your thoughts, I’d like to hear them.
Hey Amethyst, thanks for starting this topic. It’s a really good one.
Plainly…. NO. Don’t engage with women online through any means. Get her OUT and in the real world with you right away. “I’m going out for a drink at ____________, meet me there at 9PM.” …. or…. “what time are you having dinner?”
She will answer you: “Oh around 7 PM why?”
(thinking you’re about to ask her out for dinner)YOU: “Great! You should be finished eating by 9:00…
let’s meet at ____________ for a drink thing when you’re done.”This will save you a fortune and you don’t have to sit with her through a meal. It also eliminates dinner whores, and if you don’t like the chick, you can bolt any time you like. If she’s a fatty, you can walk. And should.
Some websites provide a minimal chat feature (typing only) which women will prefer to video. Remember it’s called “online dating” to sucker women into believing they are “dating” without ACTUALLY “dating”. In their perverse little heads, they think they are representing themselves accurately and “romantically” interacting with some phantom on the other end. It gives them their fix for fantasy.
But as men, we know it’s not “online dating” ….. it’s just online EMAILING. That’s it.
“Dating” happens in the real world, where there is hair to smell, and skin to touch, and boobs to look at. But women like the DELAY “online dating” affords them. They can’t “fake it” in a chat. They take their time, type, re-type and edit their responses – which is not something they can pull off in the real world. She may think she is being funny and clever in a typed message, but she’s gonna be busted in a video chat and can pull that s~~~ off in the real world. Most women resort to online dating because they get far more attention that way…. while in reality guys walk right past them. Why would she want to reduce her prospects from 600 to 6 by live chatting?
Also, keeping you at arms length (and invisible) allows her to engage and interact without any EFFORT. She doesn’t need to do her hair, or fluff up her personality, or work to be fun, funny, or clever and attractive. She can be “online dating” while clipping her toenails or taking a s~~~. Women think thesis a “benefit”.
“Online dating” is for one reason and one reason only. To make a connection you may not otherwise make and to GET HER OUT AND IN THE REAL WORLD WITH YOU as quickly as possible. If she’s not interested in that …. NEXT that bitch. She just wants to keep you at arms length for as long as possible and delay the inevitable. When you tell her, Im not here to type / Skype / chat online, I’m here to get together with REAL PEOPLE in REAL LIFE. You would be surprised how many women chicken out of that idea.
They pretend they are “scared” or “unsure” and “how do I know you’re not a creep?”. F~~~ that . “How do you know I AM????” is the only response. If she is genuinely looking to meet a man to care about (and who will care about her) for any kind of partnership, she will be enthusiastic about meeting in person and not make you jump through hoops to “prove you’re not a serial killer”. That’s insane, and those women must be ignored. The kind who wants to dally and delay and “see how things go” or “get to know you through email first” is a delusional T~~~ psycho.
They are SIMPLY not clever enough to “get to know you” through an online chat. It’s IMPOSSIBLE. Only 7% of communication is words. The other 93% is tone of voice and body language. You will never get a better idea than in person. Even through an online chat… and I am willing to bet women will pull back A LOT if you insist on Skype.
They can’t pull back when you insist on meeting in person. If she hesitates, you tell her plainly: “honey, you don’t get to *choose* who you meet and interact with or pass on the street in real life. She doesn’t push that person away and say “SKYPE ME FIRST SO I CAN DECIDE TO INTERACT WITH YOU!!!.” That would be insane. She is FORCED to interact in person. And if she can’t, then she is a social misfit.
Does she ask the guy who says “Hi” at the market “how do I know you’re not a serial killer? Then don’t ask me! You nutcase. “. This happened to me online years ago and I just told her right off, and made her feel like an invalid. Another one pretended she was “afraid” to meet in person until she asked me all kinds of questions. Then she said “are you looking for a serious relationship?”. Gimme a break. I will NEVER look for a “serious relationship” with someone I haven’t even met, and until you and I have had A LOT of fun together, there will be no “serious relationship” at all. Besides, what idiot wants a serious relationship? The only kind of relationship worth having is a FUN relationship – or none at all.
Say that to a woman directly and watch how they freak out.
Too many women want to sucker you into interacting with them and wasting time online. Don’t do it. Refuse. Starve the system. Don’t give theme their fix. If she’s not enthusiastic about grabbing her purse and meeting you for real, next that bitch, because she is “online dating” for other reasons.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I agree with above. Ideally you want to meet for drinks, but not in a fancy restaurant. There’s a real good chance of she will either cancel or even not even show up. Always have a backup plan. Coffee shop or places like McDonald is ideal because you can just buy coffee or something. You don’t look like an idiot waiting for a woman that might never show up. After the first meet keep it low key only drinks until the 4th meet this will get rid of the free loaders. Don’t be surprised if they don’t look like their pics or even lied about their weight, height etc. It’s pretty common from what I have read.
Limit to a few days but no more than week to exchange emails with women. If you can’t meet them within a week they are just wasting your time.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
This is a really great idea!
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Plainly…. NO. Don’t engage with women online through any means. Get her OUT and in the real world with you right away. “I’m going out for a drink at ____________, meet me there at 9PM.” …. or…. “what time are you having dinner?”
She will answer you: “Oh around 7 PM why?”
(thinking you’re about to ask her out for dinner)YOU: “Great! You should be finished eating by 9:00…
let’s meet at ____________ for a drink thing when you’re done.”This will save you a fortune and you don’t have to sit with her through a meal. It also eliminates dinner whores, and if you don’t like the chick, you can bolt any time you like. If she’s a fatty, you can walk. And should.
This! She can’t hide whatever deception she’s used so far to make her look thin. She can still hide on Skype. I pulled up to date, looked and kept on driving.
Agreed about dinner. Saves tons of cash and listening to her prattle on about whatever stupid s~~~ she’s likes. They know what they’re going to do withing 45-60 seconds of meeting you. So only get them one drink. Coffee is optimal.
My two cents.
Fuck this planet.I pulled up to a date, looked and kept on driving.
AWESOME. I’m much too polite for that. I would take her for a hike. Up hill. Both ways.
I agree with you Keymaster for the most part. But there are shades of grey. For example, I number closed on some girl I matched on Tinder last night. Two problems. While she is smoking hot she lives pretty far from me. The women around where I live are either all dykes or old Hippies. I am also dubious as to her age. Not that she is too old, but that she may be too young! She says she is in her early 20s but she looks like a friggin teenager! I dont want to get catfished nor do I want to risk getting locked up! Seeing and talking to her over Skype would tell me all I need to know. But on the other hand asking her to Skype would probably kill the whole thing outright. You know what? F~~~ it. I dont think I will even bother. The whole thing is just too risky and full of complications. Never mind.
Why in the world would you want to hook up with someone so far away? Even if she’s telling the truth.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Get her OUT and in the real world with you right away. “I’m going out for a drink at ____________, meet me there at 9PM.”
Can I add to this that you arrive at the bar a few minutes early, pick your seat and buy yourself a drink with cash. Do not open a tab that she can place orders against when she gets there and if you suspect the bartender may allow her to assume you are paying, casually mention to him/her that you are meeting a potential client and that your business does not allow you to purchase goods or services for them so you’ll be paying cash for your own drinks and anything they might happen to order is on them.
If they ask what kind of business, you say “My business.”
I find that bartenders and servers are terrible about assuming that I’m picking up the tab… they’ll let women order on my bill and they’ll bring the check to me… they’ll even bring the card and receipt back to me when they SEE HER put HER OWN CARD down. Don’t let anyone guilt you into paying, not the woman and especially not the staff. If you must, have a regular meeting spot and make sure the bartender is on your side, not hers.
I think it’s important to note that there is a strong intersection here with the MGTOW and PUA theories on how to relate to women when it comes to “online dating” which, to be honest, is really not online “dating” per-se… it’s men online begging after pussy and women online whoring for attention and free s~~~.
PUAs say that the most effective way to get women is to not chase them… to not let them believe they have the supply and you the demand, but to realize that it is, in fact, the other way around. MGTOW theory says that if you’re doing your own thing for your own reasons, you’re going to be naturally more attractive to women and then have the ability to decide whether or not you want them in your life based on what value they are bringing to it.
Trying to meet women online seems to fly in the face of both of these. For a PUA to say he isn’t chasing women then submit himself for review on Tinder or have to answer dozens of stupid questions to gain the approval of a woman on Match or OkCupid just flies in the face of the whole supply/demand equation. Same for MGTOW. If the “your way” that you are going is the way of subjecting yourself to inspection, detection, judgement and possible ridicule online by “hot” women, most of whom are gold diggers, prostitutes or bots, then you’re probably needing some time to really think about what it is you’re wanting out of your life.
I had accounts on OkCupid, Plenty of Whales and Tinder for a while but recently deleted them all as it came down to this: none of those fraudulent clowns has the right to judge me, only I do… and I’m certainly not going to, as KeyMaster so aptly put it, pay monthly for the chance to pay for sex… when I know for a fact that the whole “online dating” system is just a scam in which, worst case AND best case, I am the mark.
If, in the course of my regular life during which I am doing what I want for my own pleasure and benefit, I happen to come across a woman who I believe can fairly trade value with me, I will choose to do so. But to expend my time, energy and money to chase after and believe I will find that kind of woman on a hook up app or a “long term relationship” promoting website is just not what I’m about.
Totally off-topic here, but I waited tables for four years to put myself through under-grad:
I find that bartenders and servers are terrible about assuming that I’m picking up the tab… they’ll let women order on my bill and they’ll bring the check to me… they’ll even bring the card and receipt back to me when they SEE HER put HER OWN CARD down. Don’t let anyone guilt you into paying, not the woman and especially not the staff. If you must, have a regular meeting spot and make sure the bartender is on your side, not hers
This is 100% unacceptable. Any decent server or bartender should place the check in front of both parties (ie., in the middle), smile, make eye contact with both and walk away. Even before I was MGTOW, I knew this. I would recommend bringing it up with the manager.
I agree 100% about online dating. I think the key is you treat it like a cheap lotto ticket, if your not into whores, nightclubs, or highly social things then online is your only convenient choice (lol, I said “convenient”, its always possible to just get out of the house and be super social, but that takes energy in of itself).
That is at least the boat I’m in. I have no illusions though, dating in all its various forms seem to be tailor made to suck money out of men’s wallets. No matter what the method is.
I would certainly be in favor of video first if only so I don’t have to waste time going out on a fruitless journey to some stupid bar or restaurant she wants to go to. I guess it depends on what’s the most economical for the person. I like options, and video would help screen out the fatties better then writing a weight preference on your profile (which seems to pretty much guarantee NO women will talk too you).
from liventhedream: “… I think the key is you treat it like a cheap lotto ticket …”.
This.
If online dating is your only hope and you put too much faith in that program, you need to guard against appearing “needy”. We all know that appearing needy is unflattering and to be avoided.
from docfenderson: “… none of those fraudulent clowns has the right to judge me, only I do… ”
And yet, we do judge each other, constantly, though in many cases one could argue that “judge” is callous characterization.
I like to remember that – it’s just an offer. No one has to buy. Any given person may or may not be the target audience. We live our lives as we’re able, if someone else doesn’t like it, fine, they must not be the target audience.
The upside is, we do each other a favor. To wit, so a gazillion women put themselves on the auction block on these sites. If they get a couple hundred responses from guys like us with a consistent message of “take it or leave it” or whatever, it sticks, it has the potential to change the way people think about guys, over time. You get it.
I like the idea of “coffee”; I especially like the idea of meeting while it’s light out. I think bringing a small book to read (that can be squirreled away in a pocket) while drinking and waiting (where that’s the case) helps to ease self-consciousness, if any. If you don’t like to read, buy a paperback Dick and Jane book with lots of pictures.
Bit confused about this forum, surely the whole point is to cut out the crap that women write such as –If you think you can make me laugh come and try– well if they want that perhaps they should contact a stand up..
The common practice of making guys jump through hoops needs to be stopped…women are so good at writing so much bulls~~~ Like I like to to laugh……..well who the f~~~ doesn’t..
But more to the point if you spend more time on bettering yourself, the fanny will just come….women get off on being where it’s at they’re predictable..
Anonymous2Post-dinner coffee with someone living locally is the way to go. I always bring a book with me because I enjoy reading while using public transport. I also make a Plan B in case it’s a no-show or a freakshow. I like to prepare by checking the times good movies run in the vicinity of the chosen location. Should the date go south at least you get to watch a manly action flick without women yapping through it or asking dumb questions about the plot.
Here’s a quick 1, 2, 3 dating strategy from me to you, enjoy!
1) Approach females in public, in the late afternoon at places where people don’t usually try pickups, with whom you’ve made two eye contacts in the span of 5 to 10 seconds.
2) Give your name and extend your hand to shake… on the strength of her response, invite yourself to sit with her and make casual, pointless conversation such as where are you from or what are you doing in this part of town. Keep it light and let the conversation flow wherever it wants. What you say isn’t important, just let commonalities occur if they do.
3) If after 30 minutes of small talk she is leaning toward you, looking you in the eye and still engaging in the conversation, ask her if she drinks. If she says yes, tell her you were planning to go have a pint at [nearest decent bar] and she should come with you. If she says yes, you now have a date and a chance to let something happen. If she says no, slowly get up and say “Well, it was a pleasure speaking with you.” then turn and walk away.
If you do this 10 times and still fail to get to 2nd base, you’re either doing it wrong or your heart just isn’t in it. I’m looking forward to hearing about your results.
Good decision. But what’s new? In fact when we are really interested in a girl, then we ask her recent photos, call up on Skype, etc.
I do it all the time when I get acquainted with the girls on Kovla site…
Or you mean Skype Pre-screening like strategy of the right choice for dates?
Well I had another approach. I would simply write on the back of a business card “If you are interested, give me a call at __________” You can’t imagine how much that p~~~es women off. So much so that I used to get return calls from women just so mad that they wanted to call me a “Jerk” There’s the opener. But I’ve got a hard face and being told to buzz off or get lost doesn’t bother me one bit. So I don’t mind spending an hour in pleasant conversation, if that is what they are insisting on, before jumping into the sac.
Here’s the BEST online dating safety measure:
Doing it the MGTOW way…
By NOT dating these women from online at all. Online dating has been proven to be a waste of time. Take that money you have for dating and take YOURSELF out. Because even taking a woman out for coffee or McDonald’s is a waste of money and time. Order a pizza, soda pop, and some hot wings, and relax in front of a good movie. It’s the best date I’ve ever been on, dating MYSELF. I have to pay every single time, but I get what I paid for my money’s worth.
How many of you can say THAT when you go on a date with some bitch you met from online?
This sounds about right to me. As a guy that’s never really had a problem getting a woman, this is the basic format that I used when I was single. Kudos to you, sir!
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