On the issue of NAWLT and Santa Claus

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

The other night on zoom I made an offhanded comment about the analogous nature of the belief in Santa Claus and NAWALT, and upon reflection it occurs to me some of the younger guys struggling with the issue of NAWALT/Oneitis/red pill rage may benefit from the analogy.

Many if not all of us were trained/indoctrinated to be blue-pill simp providers. And most of us bought into the whole notion of “serving” the family, placing everyone else’s interests before our own AND we believed the propaganda that this was somehow a self sacrifice that conferred a kind of nobility upon us.

Of course once reality crashes in and one chokes down the red pill nothing is the same ever again. And a member said to me that in a way this tragic…it means never being able to be “in love” again. There is no going back, one can’t un-ring a bell. And he is right in a way. Thus my analogy.

When you’re a child Christmas is Special. Santa keeps track of your mischief, you write him letters sent to the North pole, you talk to him in malls–he is real, and Christmas morning he leaves your rewards for good behavior under the tree, AND he’s even eaten the cookies you left out for him.

Then one day when your 10 or so someone finally tells you there is no Santa…never was…never will be. And this is tragic also—and in the same way as sucking down the red-pill. Part of the magic of Christmas is gone forever and then there is the rage! The knowledge that people spent years lying to you about Santa. So there is the betrayal of trust heaped on top of the “new” reality that the “special” magic of Christmas is gone and never returning. Yes its depressing and if one isn’t careful nostalgia can lead one BACK into believing in something YOU know doesn’t exist.

So yes accepting that fact that AWALT is the reality and we were lied to and betrayed by people we trusted is part of the bitterness of the red-pill, but like busting the Santa bubble, there is no going back…only forward. Perhaps the exposure of each falsehood is a necessary right of passage into “true” manhood as the result is to abandon warm fuzzy illusion and embrace the hard challenge of the day.

My older MGTOW brothers already know and understand this so I’m posting this for the newer guys. I hope it helps.

[ghostParticipant]

Thanks for this, Pete.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

It is a good analogy.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[RomulusParticipant 4667]

Many if not all of us were trained/indoctrinated to be blue-pill simp providers. And most of us bought into the whole notion of “serving” the family, placing everyone else’s interests before our own AND we believed the propaganda that this was somehow a self sacrifice that conferred a kind of nobility upon us.

Absolutely this is the cultural indoctrination that takes place, and at a very early age. Our status as a “man” is tied up with the notion of sacrificing for others, taking care of those around us before we take care of our own, and suffering in silence.

It’s a good message PistolPete, there are no special women…..no women substantially different, there are just different styles leading to the same ends. This needs emphasizing over and over.

How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

The knowledge that people spent years lying to you

And so began my disdain for people who lie.

I Became cynical at a very early age.

/Thanks Santa/

[ghostParticipant]

Romulus wrote:

This needs emphasizing over and over.

It doesn’t matter how much you emphasize something because we cannot change our biological wiring.

[CrankgankerParticipant 466]

Great analogy. This one really hit home with me. I was a very naïve individual and would pretty much believe anything if I trusted the person. Once I learned that santa was a lie I started to become more weary of the things I was told.

Well If santa isn’t real and everyone just told me he was to manipulate me into behaving then is it much of a stretch to think the same about religion?

And If they lied about God what else did they lie about?

Cheating never gets you anywhere? Wrong always cheat if makes your standard of living greater.

Drugs? Yup. Weed doesn’t make me lose all sense of touch and Acid never made me rip my eyes out.

Sex? You betcha. Condoms cant protect from STD’s or prevent pregnancy?
Masturbating is bad?

Women? Where to start?

And people wonder why I am so cynical. And why I value truth so highly.

Refuse to believe anything and the truth will show itself. Belief is the greatest enemy of truth.

The best thing about the truth is that it is absolute. You cannot deny truth. You can only cover up with lies. And what is a lie that nobody believes?

Powerless.

You want to make me angry? I will take a bite out of that anger and shit out success.

[Anonymous 14]

Yea, not only in regards to women, but the world, I sometimes wish I could MIB mind wipe myself. Red Pills go down, but they never come back up.

[Anonymous 54]

Figured it out at about 5.
How does he have time to get to every house on the planet?
So I looked in my Parents closet.

Presents fron Santa, and it wasnt even Christams yet.

Ive been lied to and played!!

I kept my mouth shut.hajah.
Took the preasents anyways!!! Hahah

[Anonymous 42]

PistolPete wrote:

Many if not all of us were trained/indoctrinated to be blue-pill simp providers. And most of us bought into the whole notion of “serving” the family, placing everyone else’s interests before our own AND we believed the propaganda that this was somehow a self sacrifice that conferred a kind of nobility upon us.

The red pill until death do we part.

Modern Women are the ones that hand crafted all the toxins and poisons that go in each lovingly crafted pill!

I can’t erase what women have become, I can only abide in my own best interest!

I’ll never be poisoned by love again. I do not allow myself to take that risk, the odds are not anywhere near my favor! I do not engage.

Modern women have destroyed all benefit for a man to accompany a women in any of life’s ventures. It’s an automatic looser…

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

True but the member in question was lamenting the loss of the illusion–and that really is the critical point. The illusion is comforting, and alluring….thus its loss is depressing. So the question is how do we work through the loss, the lies, the betrayal and get on with the business of living without being consumed by cynicism, or a sense of loss? I guess the answer is that as men we know in our heart of hearts that we can overcome anything and we will just “do it” because it has to be done.

BTW the opinions expressed above have been very insightful—take note young guys

[Anonymous 5]

For me, it was the opposite!

Deep down inside, I always knew love didn’t exist.

I’m happy! Happy that I’m not obligated to finance a bitch, nor bastards. Every cent I earn, I spend it on myself!

Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Reading the portion of Atlas Shrugged where Hank Reardon realizes that not only do the vultures in his family prey on the fact that he is a good and decent man doing his best to protect and provide for him but that they also resent, ridicule and hate him for doing it was the most clear and potent red pill I ever took.

If you carried the Santa Clause analogy one step further and added that once you discover the truth, you also get a video of your parents and older siblings harshly and repeatedly mocking you for your stupid belief and how they used your fear of Santa bringing no gifts to manipulate you into doing s~~~ chores around the house year after year after year, that might be a bit closer.

It’s not just that you were being virtuous based on a lie but that they used and abused you for their own benefit while hating you for that virtue and using it to shame and deride you the whole time. How could you ever imagine to give your love to someone after that?

[ghostParticipant]

Stargazer wrote:

How could you ever imagine to give your love to someone after that?

The ability to love is a natural instinct. Every single one of our accomplishments in life are a result of this natural instinct. You have to accept the good with the bad. That’s how I see it.

AWALT is similar to a lot of other things in life. There are risks and rewards to everything in life. It is up to each of us to determine what our risk tolerance is for a potential outcome. I am no one to judge another man’s decision to marry just because I view the risk as too high in the current environment.

[Anonymous 54]

MarketWatcher wrote:

PistolPete wrote:

The knowledge that people spent years lying to you

And so began my disdain for people who lie.

I Became cynical at a very early age.

/Thanks Santa/

Yeah, Im 5 and Im thinking, well if they’re doing this Santa s~~~, what else are they lying about?

[CthulhuParticipant 698]

I was never told about Santa. Didn’t lie to my kids about it either.
Society, however, has lied enough to every man in it to make Santa look like Jesus.
I wondered why my dad put up with the verbal abuse.
In the end, he died slow and mom didn’t leave him.
She was a bitter controlling manipulative person. Not many good points. She did stay with him until he died though.
I know he died of cancer, but I often think her mouth ran him into the grave. Never raised a hand to hit her. Amazing old f~~~er.

Why vote for a lesser evil? #ICETHEMOUT

[Anonymous 54]

Cthulhu wrote:

I know he died of cancer, but I often think her mouth ran him into the grave. .

It beats you down over time.
One way or the other, it kills you.
Pyhsicaly, Spiritually.

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

it kills you.

No one makes it out of this world alive. We have all chosen our paths in life and must accept the results of our decisions. If we are not happy with something, we each have the power to change it. I always point the finger at myself first when it comes to my failures.

[OldschoolParticipant 2481]

Thanks for the post Pete. Its sad but true and something I need to remind myself about everyday. It took me 43 years to find out the hard way after almost 18 years of marriage. I am that member Pete is referring to.

Get a vasectomy.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

PistolPete wrote:

Many if not all of us were trained/indoctrinated to be blue-pill simp providers.

In addition, society has a whole bunch of people who benefit from convincing a guy to take on that role. Just a few are jewelers, florists, real estate brokers, clergy, divorce attorneys, and countless others that profit from getting a guy into debt and keeping him there. Those businesses or services don’t give a damn whether the guy is happy as long as they make a profit.

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