On Marriage & Focus

[Anonymous 6]

This is from a radio show here in Alabama, I came across this clip and wanted to get everybody’ opinion. Now i’m not as hardcore as some of the older MGTOW guys in here. Everybody here is a MGTOW to a different degree. The older guys who look at this will just say “Nope No Marriage” or “Avoid Marriage At All Cost”. But i’m talking about trying to have a constructive conversation about marriage, not just blanket statements. Now i have said in previous threads, much to the dismay of some, that given the right situation, i wouldn’t mind a family.

In this video, the hosts conform their marital thinking in a religious manner. And to their credit, it has worked for them and some of them are older than our older members. We say that AWALT, and that is a point of view to consider. But here’s a thought to consider. There are billions of women on this Earth, it doesn’t make mathematical sense to claim they are all bad and cannot be trusted. Now I will concede a point, a lot of trash especially in Western society. You have to dig threw so much trash to find a diamond in the rough, that by the time you find it, you don’t even want it anymore. This much i will agree with.

But let’s have a constructive debate. Not just two or three words and thats it. Let’s debate the merits of the video. And recently there has been an increase in members being hostile to each other, so let’s remember, that while it is ok to disagree with someone, becoming angry / hostile towards one another solves nothing.

What are your thoughts?

[Truthseekr303Participant 34]

Yes marriage can work if its rooted in something the woman fundamentally believes in like religion. Especially if said ideology benefits the husband. All in all it would still be about what the women wanted and believed in but if she believed her identity or self worth was rooted in being a loving wife and awesome mother then theoretically marriage would work fine. Furthermore I sense most men would pursue marriage if that was the case.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

I read Sky-O first c~~~ theory.

Marriage can work if men only marry virgin. And the government won’t be a prime husband for women.

Not only there is physiological and hormonal oxytocin to make women attached to the guy. There is also financial incentive involved.

Oh you divorce and take the guy to the cleaners. Well you don’t have the chance to marry and divorce rape another guy again. There will be no monkey branch anymore.

With government as the prime husband making a huge profit pimping his wives to the common man and incentivizing his wives to whore herself out, it is an impossibility for marriage to work.

If marriage business only fetch 41 to 51 billion while divorce industry fetch 50 to 175 billion, how the government is going to say no? It will take a few generation of MGTOW and economic collapse to make the government and public opinion realize that they borrow too much on the credit card of marriage / divorce.

Whatever it may be, I don’t think we can make marriage work in this generation.

Divorce Is Big Business

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[No Ma’amParticipant 212]

Yes. I have seen successful marriages. But those are the exception. Around 50% of marriages end in divorce. Of those that remain married, how many are truly happy? Many men who remain married, live in misery. They don’t leave due to children, bad health, the devastating economic consequences of a divorce. IMHO, that figure has to be at least 40%. Of course, that is hard to quantify. I’d put the number of truly happy long-term marriages out there at 10% or less.

Bottom line marriage is far to risky. The sacrifices are HUGE. The rewards are non-existent.

You want to get married? Forget sex. Forget your hobbies and interests. Forget your concerns and goals in life. They don’t matter any more. Get used to putting your needs and desires dead last. Your hard-earned money is no longer yours. I know. I did it twice.

Every man has to make his own choices. After my second wife left, I decided sitting home lonely, butt-hurt and bitter is no way to go through life. I found a girlfriend 11 years younger and 100 pounds lighter than my second wife. She is a cute little thing, 5ft tall, about 100 Lbs. I’m enjoying the best sex of my life. She’s a lot of fun. I enjoy spending time with her on weekends.

We have fun. Then we go back to our homes. She has her own place. I have my own place. Nobody tells me when to take out the trash or mop the floor. I make my own financial decisions. I am enjoying my hobbies again. I have far less stress in my life. If she goes into debt buying stupid s~~~ like designer handbags and cosmetics, it won’t affect me in the least.

There are plenty of women out there. If this girlfriend leaves me or becomes too demanding and unreasonable, I am not trapped. I can replace her in a matter of weeks. There is some downside risk. But, my exposure is far less than in a marriage.

So, why f~~~ up a good thing? I will NEVER marry or cohabit with a woman ever again. I refuse to put my b~~~~ on the chopping block for the third time. I’m keeping my autonomy. Thank you very much.

"Nobody loves me, but my mother, And she could be jivin` too." - B. B. King

[WallyParticipant]

I see these men and I picture my Dads best friend a preacher in the Church of Christ, hardcore Christians! The kind of Christians were they don’t play musical instruments because the Bible says to sing with the harmony of your voice so no instruments! Divorce is a no no! But wait in their 60’s what does she do all of the sudden for no reason that he never saw coming? “I want a divorce!”

what the men may perceive as a great marriage and it is working for them may end tomorrow.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

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