On Carly Fiorina's "All women heard" comment in debate and futility of MRM/MRA

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

There is a lot of ways to go with Carly Fiorina and discussing her, as it relates to here. I could do the usual discussing she is a woman. I could do the deeper one about, “How the hell would anyone vote for her, after her track record with HP was a mess?” I could discuss the surface stuff. But, I want to focus on something a bit different.

Yes, I am using Carly’s comment to show the futility of trying to do MRM/MRA activity, because of the way men thing and society thinks of men, that MRA/MRM isn’t going to change, and the only option is really MGTOW for a man to affect change in his life.

Why do I say this? Well, there was the whole dust up over a Donald Trump comment about Fiorina’s face, where he put the comment out there in Rolling Stone, and also added, “I know she is a woman, and you aren’t supposed to, but…”. With this is a context that women are collectively a group, and you say anything about her, it is a shot at all women. And this understanding went even further in the debate, where Carly said the following: “I think women all over this country heard very clearly what Mr Trump said.”

So, what would of been a context of a personal attack against Carly, by Trump, has this whole undertone of being understood against ALL women. This is how it is framed in society.

Ok, maybe this is debatable, and can’t be agreed with, but think of the same with men. Outside of extreme feminists referring to men in general in a negative light, does anyone even remotely think that when target a man by himself with insults, you are insulting all men? I don’t see this anywhere. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I can’t think of it. These thoughts are only coming to mind, after Fiorina’s retort she had in the debate to Trump.

And now, to the futility of MRA/MRM. I guess one of the goals of that would be to unite enough men together to be able to stand under the banner “men”, and work for their rights collectively. But, why I say I see this is futile what percentage of men actually see an insult against an individual man as an assault against themselves? I know I don’t, and I am not sure how many other men do either. Do you? And in this, that is why I see MRA/MRM won’t gain any traction. Men see themselves as individuals, and judge each man on his own merits, not the collective attributes of men. I believe that is why you see in the said “manosphere” and with MGTOW videos, you will see a single MGTOW video singled out as being off, and in error. And with this, you aren’t going to get men to see themselves collectively as men. You can see them be collective under a national banner, sports team rooting interest, political party, religion, and more, but just as men? I don’t see it.

Please feel free to let me know your thoughts here on this. I just see this little bruhaha as evidence why MRA/MRM is a waste of time.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Please feel free to let me know your thoughts here on this.

Keep your posts under a 300 word minimum; preferably 100 words, to maintain interest amongst the reading viewership.

Resident cynic.

[UntamedParticipant]

For me, it depends on the situation and who is involved, but mostly whether the outcome of my intervention will make a difference in the long run and also considering the interest of each, knowing them or not being important as well, or would simply come back to bite me in the arse.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Please feel free to let me know your thoughts here on this.

Keep your posts under a 300 word minimum; preferably 100 words, to maintain interest amongst the reading viewership.

Ok, the real short devoid of context and reasoning: Men generally see themselves as individuals, not collectively as “men”. Because of this, attempts to do MRA/MRM is pointless and MGTOW is the only response. Is that short enough? I was wondering thoughts on this.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Please feel free to let me know your thoughts here on this.

Keep your posts under a 300 word minimum; preferably 100 words, to maintain interest amongst the reading viewership.

Ok, the real short devoid of context and reasoning: Men generally see themselves as individuals, not collectively as “men”. Because of this, attempts to do MRA/MRM is pointless and MGTOW is the only response. Is that short enough? I was wondering thoughts on this.

Actually, when you summarised it I felt compelled to read your entire original post lol.

“Men generally see themselves as individuals, not collectively as “men”.

Generally speaking, this is true. But you have to take into account the discrpancy between “true male friends” and the way females relate to one another.

On the one hand I have some male “friends” I wouldnt trust with my f~~~ing lunch; on the other hand- I have male friends Ive known for decades, and Id trust with my bank account when its over six figures. One friend Im thinking of in particular, told his f~~~ing WIFE, when she asked about “trusting” me:

“Ive known him LONGER than YOU”.

I was in a pinch, and he opened the door to his house freely to me, and helped me with whatever the f~~~ I needed.

What a F~~~ING friend! It didnt go unnoticed or unappreciated. The MOMENT I could help in return, I did. And I did so in spades. He told me “were family”, and family we are.

So, “collectively” youre assesment is probably correct – we dont possess that HIVE mentality; because women know their weak and NEED to have that hive. But INDIVIDUALLY, man amongst man as friends, we possess a deeper bond than women ever could.

Caveat is this “bond” amongst males is becoming increasingly rare. But once you make a true, sincere male friend, you keep them for life.

Resident cynic.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

The women that say “you attack one of us, you attack ALL of us” sounds like the mentality of the idiots that scream “racism, racism!”

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Keep your posts under a 300 word minimum; preferably 100 words, to maintain interest amongst the reading viewership.

I like long posts and I would love to see more of them instead of the one-liner social media style crap or the ones that say almost nothing and have a link to whatever the news of the day is. Quality and depth over quantity is my preference.

As for the post itself, yes, I think men are less likely to band together around just being men and many will not adhere to the MRA stuff because many men don’t want to sound like complaining little pussies. Social movements are all about publicity in order to make others do s~~~ for your cause. Men are more likely to work on that themselves and influence society, politics and economics within their immediate circle without all the media buzz.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

The women that say “you attack one of us, you attack ALL of us” sounds like the mentality of the idiots that scream “racism, racism!”

The thought that crossed my mind when I saw her quote, was that it was sexism (sexism being group by sex, as opposed to race, which is racism). I looked at the entire context, and if I could make sure it was just Trump taking a shot at her looks or persona, and she said that, then I could say it was sexist. But Trump could of entirely been playing a sexism card himself, so Carly’s response to it ends up being sexist as a result. A part that is tricky here with this is he said, “I know she is a woman…” which looks like a defense, but also could emphasize. So, I decided to not go that way with it, and focus more on that men don’t do this. I figured I would note that I don’t see men seeing themselves being attacked when a man is attacked. I know MRA/MRM wants to have this, but I just don’t see it happening. That is a bit of a reason why I say MGTOW is really the only response for a man to act like he is and do something.

I take a comment of an attack against someone in a group being an attack against all as an -ism view.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I like long posts and I would love to see more of them instead of the one-liner social media style crap or the ones that say almost nothing and have a link to whatever the news of the day is. Quality and depth over quantity is my preference.

I agree, but when 10 words are used and 5 would suffice, Id preffer the latter. I would also preffer straight, forward-thinking thoughts as opposed to navel gazing questions:

*** IF***my Aunt had a penis, shed be my Uncle.

Inconsequential and rather absurd. Smoke filled coffee house crap was ‘interesting’ in college; not so much now.

But hey, thats just me.

Resident cynic.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Don’t know who that ankle is.

Don’t care.

Fuck this planet.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

I just see this little bruhaha as evidence why MRA/MRM is a waste of time.

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Well, to not be a waste of time it would have to have some chance of being successful.
For it to be successful, like say, feminism, you would need 1, a great number of people to be actively involved in it. Then you would need 2, a majority or at least a large plurality of the population to identify with and eventually acknowledge the points being made, and then 3, said majority to influence politics in order to actually change the laws.

Now, 1, men are not wired to complain endlessly like women are, and secondly we personally see it as weakness to complain and whine, so you will only (naturally) get a part of the male population to become active. Also, feminists got most other women on board as supporters or at least advocates, PLUS a great deal of white knights and manginas. Men will only get a minuscule percentage of females on board.

2) For the same reasons as above, you will get very little people to identify with the complaints and points being put forward. On top of that, it is almost impossible to shake the “Male privilege” mentality, and even if we could, most women still think that men are naturally more gifted by nature and thus should be required to endure more hardship. This also brings us to point 3. Without a significant plurality of people DEMANDING that laws be changed and actually voting based on such principles, the small minority of men activists will see all their efforts FAIL.

And, last but not least, number 4 and 5, the media and academia never want equality, peace and quiet, because that is how they make their money, by peddling distrust and envy. So there will be no support from the media, on the contrary, there will be opposition, and there will be constant indoctrination against it by academia which is a cradle of socialism, feminism and PC, not to mention 70% female staff.

Well, for me at least the logic goes against wasting my time.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

Then again, we DO have the people calling Trump a “racist” because he said “mean things about Mexicans.” Again, THAT was taken out of context as well. Believe me, Trump isn’t my #1 guy, but I’m totally okay with him as an option since he seems to be upsetting women and white knight’s feelings so much.

Someone once said on a post,

“Neo-Nazis & the KKK openly stated that he is ‘the only hope for white america’ so if it isn’t apparent there then you’re probably a hopeless case”

They seem to forget that Al Qaeda and other terrorist factions actually were rooting for Obama in 2008.

[had_enoughParticipant 29]

I have a different take on this issue. There are many different organisations dealing with many of the problems that feminism has caused – be it false accusations, parental alienation, domestic violence and abuse, discrimination against males in education, etc. Many of these websites provide invaluable information.

Now in any actual war situation, you have special forces, conventional forces, intelligence, logistics, strategy, etc. Equating this to any battle plan, not everyone is involved in front-line action – but such “attack-dogs” require ammunition – which in this example is high quality information that can obliterate the garbage regurgitated by the feminist cult. You do not need a large scale movement to cause change. Due to the injustice which many men have experienced, men are no longer walking away in isolation – they are no longer silent, but are communication their dissatisfaction.

Should you decide to go your own way, you also have a responsibility to engage by using the knowledge and experience to counter the damage done through feminism. While on a personal level I am a MGHOW, I will not hesitate to defend or engage in protecting or acquiring human rights which are inclusive of mens rights. So no matter how one would categorise oneself, one of the most important aspects is the provision of rock-solid information that can be used to further the struggle against the discrimination that we currently endure. Feminism is now being challenged head-on. This is why those who are MRA have a role to play, those who are MGTOW have a role to play, as have fathers who have been alienated and those that have had to experience false allegations made against themselves. Collectively this will turn the tide.

[RennieParticipant]

The same stupid woman who screwed up HP, made a deal with devil(Intel) regarding Itanic, failed to see that Itanic become anything meaningful and was lauded as being so great for breaking “obliterating” the non existent “glass ceiling” about 15 years ago…and she thinks she’s qualified to be president?, gtfo c~~~…

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

When Trump, a businessman, sticks up for himself and fights his competitors/stands up to the enemy, it’s considered “sexist,” “racist,” and just overall “idiotic.”

When Fiorina, a businesswoman, sticks up for herself, she’s praised and worshiped.

[Just a ManParticipant 934]

John Woods 13 wrote:

I like long posts and I would love to see more of them instead of the one-liner social media style crap or the ones that say almost nothing and have a link to whatever the news of the day is. Quality and depth over quantity is my preference.

I get this. Problem is I have typed up MANY long posts only to delete them. I guess I get inside my own head or something and just say f~~~ it and delete it. It’s like short and to the point or long and did I get it all? Ah well, I do the best I can with what I have, even though it came out of the box kinda hinky to begin with, lol.

Philosophy, the female repellent

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