Old Bill

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Anonymous wrote:

This site is depressing…

LOL.

Some long term MGTOW scene observer and me, we once talked about the fact that these MGTOW forum “colonies” always collapse after a few years.

Most communities die between 2 and 6 years…

I took that one step further and realized that what is happening here is a spinoff of the “mouse utopia” experiment.

I posted that in the “science” forums of our new place.

LOL.

That’s why they all fall apart. The entire timeline and the course of events fits together.

The mouse utopia applies to any and every social system and the inevitable collapse happens when certain parameters are set or not corrected.

Well, let me just repost it here:

…………………………….

How the KPG compares to the Mouse Utopia Experiment…

A multi-level analogy.

The Mouse Utopia Experiment is one of my favorite subjects.

Because I think that this is built into any and every social system that ever existed.

– Whole societies
– Companies
– Clubs
– Support Groups
– Political Parties
– Internet Forums

And this is where the KPG comes in:

You can look at a closed user group internet forum like a small and closed habitat. Not of mice but of “egos”.

What happened on the KPG is absolutely comparable to the Mouse Utopia.

Of course – with a few adaptations: There are no 2 genders but 2 opposing camps of lifestyles.

For one: The total freedom seekers and 2nd: Those that need a strong hand to show them the way.

Exactly like men and women in society. Men want freedom and women want control.

The inner fighting between these 2 “camps” comes before the collapse. Like it was with the rats & mice in Universe 25 and later.

And the collapse comes very fast and almost overnight.

– There is the growth phase – 2014 until mid-end 2016, (full creativity and brotherhood) (all together in one boat against tuna)

– The stagnation phase – until mid 2017 (building of “gangs”, ganging up on other posters) (tuna hunts outlawed, no more common cause)

– The saturation phase – late 2017 to early 2018 (Avoiding running into endless arguing by shutting up and by ceasing to post anything)

– The collapse – mid 2018 to now (Total disenchantment and dissolving of the community)

LOL: The beautiful ones got out early.

We already went to “higher ground” (like the mice) and fortified our posting and arguing strategies to withstand bullying. We knew the usual suspects and ignored them as good as we could. (Like the mice on the “lookout” post)

The heaviest inner fighting started in the saturation phase.

From then on, more and more members decided to stop procreating = creating content.

Walking on eggshells became the name of the game.

After all, who wants the word policing gang on his back?

So, in the end the colony collapsed.

And no one took responsibility to turn things around and do damage control…

That’s why the mice died out completely. No one there to see the problem and act on it.

(Being “called out” as a “whiny bitch” and “drama addict” but no one listens to your points)

I think what happened to us is exactly the same “course of events” that went on with the rodent society.

Had the rodent population been administered in some way, separated and somewhat regulated, the mice would have survived.

“Regulation” could have been such things as the influence of enemies to fend off. The mice had no enemies and no competition.

In our case: Tuna hunts kept the community together and by prohibiting and condemning these, all brothers at one point no longer saw the reason to pull together on one string. The sense of “together we are strong, divided we fall” was lost. The lack of enemies killed the community.

And so, the fighting over private dislikes took over. And the fighting over the enforcement of the “invisible” and never documented rules began.

Well the outside problems were gone and boredom dominated…

This is where we slip right into the topic of social engineering.

By trying to turn the place into a “regulated zone” to look good from the outside (without “external reputation issues”) – it died.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[TrapperParticipant 2912]

Manx cats are my favorite. They’ll take care of a rattlesnake problem

[MonkParticipant 16995]

One of the problems with MGTOW is that by definition, the vast majority are ‘anti’ (often anti-everything), and therefore very touchy about anything that they feel impinges upon their ‘rights’ or ‘freedom’.

Small things get blown up out of proportion and conspiracy theories abound. In reality, most of it is complete nonsense.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Sky-O wrote:

Gargamel,
My favorite breed of cat is the Scottish Fold – Their ears are folded back and they have super cute chubby (chipmunk-like) cheeks and round marble eyes.
For the sake of diversity, can you start integrating some of those OG playa’s of the feline world:
Thx

As you wish:

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Trapper wrote:

Manx cats are my favorite. They’ll take care of a rattlesnake problem

As a cat breeder forum, we have full diversity.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

KittyMastress’ lovely daughter:

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Sky-O wrote:

Gargamel,
My favorite breed of cat is the Scottish Fold – Their ears are folded back and they have super cute chubby (chipmunk-like) cheeks and round marble eyes.
For the sake of diversity, can you start integrating some of those OG playa’s of the feline world:
Thx

Your new Kitty site avatar:

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Sock puppet count: 4

LOL.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Those are actually some pretty nice looking cats. The blue eyed one, dang. NICE

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Those are actually some pretty nice looking cats. The blue eyed one, dang. NICE

Chiming in the future as a cat fancier forum.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[VarunParticipant 2981]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Thread bounce cat pic, LOL.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[VarunParticipant 2981]

ITS A CAT PARTYY!!!

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

I am gone the moment the credit card billing stops.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Training unit for my 5 trolletta friends.

It’s in German but since you are future cat ladies you get the meaning.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Calling for the troll gang!!!

Where is my Tamagotchi?

Someone took the batteries out.

The troll gang is absent since yesterday, when Sky-O posted the most likely version of the truth about this site here…

Very interesting. Silence for 24 hours now from ALL 5 OF THEM.

To me, this is proof that they are connected.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

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