Observation on the gender pay gap

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

There is no gender pay gap.

One thing just hit me. When these so called studies show females earn less because they chose to work in teaching, socal work, government do they just look at salary or salary and benefits?

For example, teachers, social workers, government all get a pension until they die. Non government jobs don’t have pensions anymore. I know I don’t.

So the females get an extra 25 years of pay for being retired.

Yet they are underpaid.

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[narwhalParticipant]

The jobs you described also have other benefits, such as summer’s office, low stress, no merit based pay or dismissal, etc.

What I find funny is that because they misinterpret the pay gap data, they do absolutely nothing to help women earn more money. They want laws passed to stop the apparent sexism, but since there is none, it’s just a waste of time. They should be focusing efforts on women selecting better jobs, or artificially raising the salary of typical female professions. It’s like they want to replace the faucet to fix a leaky sink.

Ok. Then do it.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

the gender gap myth compares salaries but it does not compare the type of job….

so they’re comparing software engineers with kindergarten teachers…

comparing pilots, to cashiers

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Oz-BlokeParticipant 3233]

I’ve noticed here many study Education to become school teachers. The data shows it is a discipline that requires some of the lowest tertiary entrancement requirements here in Australia, and has become the ‘when-all-else-fails’ refuge for who want one of the ‘easiest’ university degrees for a job they can drop in and out of to breed.

As a case-in-point, here’s the 2010 gender/teacher data from the UK –

The problem is the low standards to become a teacher here is Australia is affecting learning outcomes of young schoolchildren. So much so the Australian Government is considering giving University Education graduates literacy and numeracy tests to ensure they have the skills required to teach future generations – http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/careers/tough-new-numeracy-and-literacy-tests-to-be-given-to-australias-graduating-teachers-from-2016/news-story/535ab14d02a8e360b7139e8f097bc6ff

Sorry , but you can’t keep opting for one of the less intellectually strenuous degrees, say you’ll only teach primary-school kids and then bang on that you are not paid as much as your male college and university counterparts.

Oh, and let’s not ignore the data on when men get the sharp end of the pineapple –

#ManOut

[MoonlightParticipant 223]

I saw a report done by a group of accountants who wanted to find if such a gap exists. They found out there is a gap but it’s about a 2-3% difference. Here’s some of the things that make the gap seem wider than it actually is:

-women take time off more than men for stress or other personal reasons
-women often become stay at home moms, so no job income for a few years
-they don’t work overtime as much as men do
-men ask for raises more than women do
-men get a premium for taking on unsafe work conditions
-women are less ambitious which makes it harder to earn promotions
-men focus on more difficult education while women take the easy route
-women are less punctual and take longer to get assignments completed
-men tend to stick with one employer longer, which means more raises

Now this information is just based on generalities. There’s exceptions to both sides of course.

[WhackerGuy2030Participant 999]

I think this issue is a an assessment of how stupid people are, and to enable them to be counted. If this was truly an issue, how come there haven’t been any public lawsuits or protests against any companies? Where are these horrible companies full of held back women?
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Sure makes it easy for me to see who the useful idiots are.

[AttonParticipant]

Extraordinary claims but no extraordinary evidence, that is the issue of a gender gap summed up.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[the roadParticipant 3125]

It’s all a hoax. There is no gap. You can’t compare all of men vs all of women. It’s not that easy, but of course liberals and 3rd Wave misandrists think it is.

#MANOUT

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I know teacher pay varies state by state…but teachers here make out pretty damn good. The average teacher pay here is 70k…plus they get a generous healthcare and retirement package. Plus they get off every weekend and holiday, and a decent chunk of time in the summer. Every time teachers here complain about their compensation I just want to scream shut the f~~~ up your easily in the top 20th percentile at least as far as compensation goes and work way fewer hours a year than the average 40 hour a week 52 week a year worker…how much more do you f~~~ing want?

I’m not opposed to teachers making a decent living, it just always seemed to me everyone seems to understand how good teachers have it…except teachers lol.

[WhackerGuy2030Participant 999]

Anyone that chooses to be a teacher and bitches about pay should not be allowed to teach. Not because I don’t like them, but they’re obviously tremendously stupid if they chose teaching at this point in history and suddenly realize they’re not going to get rich.
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“Hmmm… I think I’m going to become a teacher and then spend the next 30 years bitchy and envious of those who chose performance and incentive based jobs.”

[Oz-BlokeParticipant 3233]

Oz-Bloke wrote:

As a case-in-point, here’s the 2010 gender/teacher data from the UK –

Hmmm, the graph and graphic I posted seemed to disappear from my original post. I hope they are not causing problems for the site –

and

Wouldn’t surprise me if female hackers or white-knight mangina hackers are busy trying to suppress the naked truth (data).

#ManOut

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Great posts all.

My point is that if you add in lifetime pensions and maybe alimony. Females make more than men.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8286]

I agree. The gender wage gap mostly has to do with the amount of TIME people are willing to work for a company at an hourly rate. If more women, than men, are leaving work early to pick up their kids from school or take their kids to soccer practice, what the hell do they want? A cash bonus for being a good mom? Meanwhile, those of who are single w/o kids can stay the full work shift and even get some overtime pay. That’s life.

But the wage gap proponents don’t mention this:

A lot of single moms are getting government subsidies (such as, food stamps) & tax breaks to help them with expenses their imagined pay gap doesn’t cover. And other working moms are married to men with full time jobs—these men typically put more hours into their work and tend to get more pay raises because of it. So these women aren’t suffering from any kind of male privileges if it’s important for them to spend time with their children.

Here’s an issue to present to the feminists:

A female model and a male model work for the same clothing company and have the same years of experience. Guess who gets paid more?

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

@ Fun,

Awesome point my brother +100.

Add in government benifits, pensions, alimony. Are females really making more than men.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[the roadParticipant 3125]

Beer wrote:

I know teacher pay varies state by state…but teachers here make out pretty damn good. The average teacher pay here is 70k…plus they get a generous healthcare and retirement package. Plus they get off every weekend and holiday, and a decent chunk of time in the summer. Every time teachers here complain about their compensation I just want to scream shut the f~~~ up your easily in the top 20th percentile at least as far as compensation goes and work way fewer hours a year than the average 40 hour a week 52 week a year worker…how much more do you f~~~ing want?

I’m not opposed to teachers making a decent living, it just always seemed to me everyone seems to understand how good teachers have it…except teachers lol.

At the school I worked at, the teachers capped out at about 70K too (might have been a pinch more). Pretty damned good. I always heard about teachers claiming to work so much unpaid overtime but when the school day was over, all you would see was an empty faculty parking lot. They have so many standardized exams that use scan trans etc. It’s pretty much bulls~~~ when they claim to work so much. Also, it’s pretty much the same exact curriculum each year and it’s all easy s~~~ to teach. Look at the subjects in K-12, are there really more than a couple difficult subjects? Let’s be honest, it’s all rudimentary s~~~, the hardest part is trying to motivate a bunch of assholes to participate.

Oh yeah, that nice fat 2 1/2 month vacation is pretty nice too. I would gladly take a paycut to get that much time off each year. The extra pay those jerk offs get if they decide to teach summer school puts them close to 100K a year. F~~~ them for ever complaining. There are people who slave to make that much money a year.

EDIT: F~~~ those bitches, I just looked up their pay scale at the school I worked at, some teachers top out at 92K. Plus the pension and every holiday and week long holidays.

It is a s~~~ job though, the kids are assholes these days. But it’s not like people don’t deal with assholes at any other job.

#MANOUT

[BeerParticipant 11832]

the road wrote:

EDIT: F~~~ those bitches, I just looked up their pay scale at the school I worked at, some teachers top out at 92K. Plus the pension and every holiday and week long holidays.

Hahaha…yeah…70k is the average in my state for a teacher. I know around here they start around 45k, I had a few friends who became teachers and they whined a little about that at first but 5-10 years down the road none of them complain anymore when their pay kicked up a bit and they realized how insane their benefits package is. It also means the ones on the top end are pulling in around 100k…45k aint too bad when you know over the next 15 or 20 years or whatever you’ll be working your way up to six figures as long as you don’t do something dumb enough to get fired.

I saw this today as well…

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2016/04/22/mapping-the-100000-illinois-teacher-pensions-costing-taxpayers-nearly-1-0-billion/#22a982843345

Teachers are going to collapse the state of Illinois with their pensions. They barely contributed anything to their pension fund and think they are entitled to six figure pensions on the backs of the tax payers. All you hear from them is the “We passed up on pay raises for our benefits.” Well that’s funny…why isn’t your pension fund fully funded then…and if a six figure salary for a veteran teacher was giving up raises I’d hate to see what they think they should be making if they never passed on a raise.

It kind of cracks me up how you always hear things in the news about those big evil corporations shifting from pensions to 401ks because pensions are becoming too costly as people live longer and everyone gets all up in arms over that…then the next pension article you read is about government employees getting ridiculous pensions that are driving states into debt and they refuse to even eliminate the yearly COLA increase on them. Its thievery government employees don’t contribute enough to their pensions to fund it 100%…they just expect to retire on a fat pension and pass the bill to the next generation who had no say in the matter when they voted themselves ridiculous benefits packages.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens over the next 10-20 years in places like Illinois where businesses and successful people are leaving for neighboring states to escape the corrupt politics and oppressive taxes. I wonder how the state is going to function when the majority of the people left are retired government workers or welfare recipients.

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