Now I know what makes me MGTOW.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

When I first came on here from the urging of a friend, I was very unsure of this whole idea of MGTOW and that I have a place in it or am a MGTOW.

There are a lot of things I agree with, and a lot of things I disagree with. It turns out, that didn’t have as much to do with it as I first thought.

What makes me MGTOW is not my views on this topic or that. It’s not something you really think or preach as much as it is something you do.

I say “no” to women who have the idea in their heads that they can make crazy demands and ultimatums that I either marry them “or else” (one example).

And, I enforce it. No amount of crying or guilt tripping or shaming is going to make me change my mind when you don’t have a logical or reasonable argumentative leg to stand on.

This seems like a prerequisite to be a MGTOW. To say “no” and mean it.

No, you will not be roping me into a bad marriage contract.
No, I don’t want to have children, and that settles it.
No, I will retain my right to leave when I wish.
No, you will not tell me now to live my life, I don’t tell you how to live yours.

If she cannot accept “no” as an answer, then she will be told to go away.

No, I will not buy you clothes, vacations, drinks while you buy nothing.
No, I will not get a specific job or work for a specific company just to make you happy.

If men even imposed half of these kinds of demands on women, they would be decried as a tyrannical sexist pigs. But, somehow, women can make these demands, and it’s his fault for not “manning up” and caving in !

The women I have enjoyed spending time with women (in terms of sex and intimate company) who don’t need or want my money. Hell, most of them have far more money than me. They don’t need my validation of them any more than I need theirs. They are, in the real world, not reliant on others.

And all of them are either “former” feminists or never where feminists.

The power of “no”. Women are shocked and helpless when you use it. And if you don’t use the power you have, you will lose it.

Frank V.

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Wonderful post. Men must maintain the upper hand

[Anonymous 1]

One have to wonder though, where did they get that money?
Did they worked themselves, or it was their daddies, or other “sources” (a.k.a government) that provided them with the resources?

I wonder…

[RoyDalParticipant]

Frank V. wrote:

If men even imposed half of these kinds of demands on women, they would be decried as a tyrannical sexist pigs. But, somehow, women can make these demands, and it’s his fault for not “manning up” and caving in !

I’m not “manned up” by their definition. I don’t have horn rimmed spectacles. I don’t have a neck beard. I don’t wear plaid flannel pajamas. I don’t turn over my time and money to some passing female stranger. I am just not man enough to do that stuff.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Well that sounds like mgtow to me.

There are few words that sound as sweet as ‘no’ …..

Although Fk & Off roll of the lips with silky smoothness ?

[atlasParticipant 285]

No amount of crying or guilt tripping or shaming is going to make me change my mind when you don’t have a logical or reasonable argumentative leg to stand on.

This! Well said.

“We are on strike, we, the men of the mind. We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one's happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.”

[UntamedParticipant]

I read this with a smile from ear to ear. That’s great, Frank V. !! 🙂

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Anonymous wrote:

One have to wonder though, where did they get that money?
Did they worked themselves, or it was their daddies, or other “sources” (a.k.a government) that provided them with the resources?

I wonder…

To make it clear, they worked for it themselves rather than skinning an ex or the government, for the most part. I’ve learned to have standards.

A good question, though.

Frank V.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Thank all of you.

@roydal : As far as I am concerned, “Manning up” means not caving in. But I guess Traditionalists want to flip that on its head now.

Frank V.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

For a term as broad as mgtow, that is probably one of the best ways to describe it.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

Anonymous wrote:

One have to wonder though, where did they get that money?
Did they worked themselves, or it was their daddies, or other “sources” (a.k.a government) that provided them with the resources?

I wonder…

The two weathier-than-me girls I dated all got their money from their parents and were just waiting around to inherit.

The first was a substitute teacher whos mom made a pile of dough as a bank executive selling mortgages just before the 2007 crash. Plus she inherited a bunch from -her- parents.

The second – lol- never amounted to anything but a hairdresser, and while hitting the wall at fourtysomething was – get this – STILL GETTING AN ALLOWANCE from mommy and daddy. She also got free use of a house that her parents owned outright in a very upscale neighborhood in Seattle. It had a jacuzzi tub which I very much enjoyed.

Things broke down when I got fed up with her trying to drop-in replace her ex husband with me, rather than find out who I was and what I liked and accepting that.

Example: Sex always had to be this big production number out of nine and a half weeks or something. I’m a fairly “plain vanilla guy” in the sack as that’s what I personally find the most fulfilling. In my mind, if you need to add a bunch of production value to your sex, you’re doing it wrong or with the wrong person, but I digress.

“No I don’t want to be tied up and tickled with a feather for half an hour can we just f~~~ thankyouverymuch?” You get the picture.

But she constantly assumed that I wanted this sort of thing and it would be a big turn on (probably because her women’s magazines told her so and they couldn’t be wrong right?), when really it had the opposite effect. It told me that she honestly wasn’t listening to what I was trying to tell her, didn’t believe me, thought she knew better, or any/all of the above.

Sometimes I still miss that jacuzzi tub.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Biggvs_Dickvs wrote:

BadKan wrote:

One have to wonder though, where did they get that money?
Did they worked themselves, or it was their daddies, or other “sources” (a.k.a government) that provided them with the resources?

I wonder…

The two weathier-than-me girls I dated all got their money from their parents and were just waiting around to inherit.

The first was a substitute teacher whos mom made a pile of dough as a bank executive selling mortgages just before the 2007 crash. Plus she inherited a bunch from -her- parents.

The second – lol- never amounted to anything but a hairdresser, and while hitting the wall at fourtysomething was – get this – STILL GETTING AN ALLOWANCE from mommy and daddy. She also got free use of a house that her parents owned outright in a very upscale neighborhood in Seattle. It had a jacuzzi tub which I very much enjoyed.

Things broke down when I got fed up with her trying to drop-in replace her ex husband with me, rather than find out who I was and what I liked and accepting that.

Example: Sex always had to be this big production number out of nine and a half weeks or something. I’m a fairly “plain vanilla guy” in the sack as that’s what I personally find the most fulfilling. In my mind, if you need to add a bunch of production value to your sex, you’re doing it wrong or with the wrong person, but I digress.

“No I don’t want to be tied up and tickled with a feather for half an hour can we just f~~~ thankyouverymuch?” You get the picture.

But she constantly assumed that I wanted this sort of thing and it would be a big turn on (probably because her women’s magazines told her so and they couldn’t be wrong right?), when really it had the opposite effect. It told me that she honestly wasn’t listening to what I was trying to tell her, didn’t believe me, thought she knew better, or any/all of the above.

Sometimes I still miss that jacuzzi tub.

Haha !

You know, it also could have been that she was into the kinky stuff. Hell, I would have suggested charging her for it.

You never know unless you ask- she might be crazy enough about it to say yes !

“Back in the day, some wealthy older women had ‘kept men’- younger guys they slept with and kept around. Like a “Sugar Mama” of sorts. Happens far more often that you think and I even knew a guy who “worked” his way through college that way.

I used to look up to him. Few men get paid to have sex with women and end up with a future.

Never heard of those old references to “the pool boy” or “gardener” ?

Frank V.

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