Not voting for Trump

[FrankOneParticipant 1435]

Beer wrote:

Sandals wrote:

What’s wrong with debate? That’s what men do. We debate.

There isn’t anything to debate here…you can say Trump sucks all you want, but when democrats are running on stupid and unpopular ideas like student loan forgiveness, free college for everyone, open borders, free healthcare for illegals, UBI, further restriction of gun rights, and openly admitting they’ll raise taxes on the middle class to fund such crap, at the end of the day even if Trump sucks, democrats suck more. Democrats aren’t just good by default because they aren’t Trump you know.
I’d be more than willing to vote against Trump if a better candidate came along, but third party candidates in this country are a waste of a vote, no republicans seem to be seriously interested in challenging him so far, and the democrats are putting a bunch of retards up in the primary. They sound like idiots in the debates against each other when the liberal media is trying to lob them softb~~~~. They stand no chance when its time for Trump to play hardball with them.

I’d agree with the ‘stupid’ part but not so much ‘unpopular’. ‘FREE’ S~~~ is almost ALWAYS popular! As long as somebody ELSE pays for it. Those evil, greedy, ‘wealthy’ SOBs. Or the Evil Corporations. It’s not like they create all the jobs through investment and profit-seeking. Oh, yeah, right, they do, haha.

Otherwise, the State would not grow forever larger. When has any ‘free stuff’ ever been REDUCED? Few cases — welfare reform — reductions in extended unemployment benefits AFTER a recession, etc — not many.

45% of voters favor ‘free’ college per https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2019/05/01/poll-voters-oppose-free-college-loan-forgiveness — even if not a majority, that’s nearly half the Sheeple. 57% of voters in the survey indicated they were in favor of ‘forgiving’ up to $50,000 in student loans. I am rather surprised it is not a majority for both, really.

Is not even the framing of that survey question bulls~~~? Should a homeowner’s mortgages be ‘forgiven’? A stock trader’s losses forgiven? Car loans ‘forgiven’?

Shouldn’t the question instead be worded ‘Should people be able to default on their college loans with impunity, and somebody else pay for it?’ Or, an even better question: Should individuals bear personal financial responsibility, or not? Whenever these questions are asked, I’d also like to see them ask ‘What percent of your income should go towards government, and what percent should YOU as a lowly individual, be allowed by your Government Masters and the mob that elected them, to spend as YOU see fit?’

I would argue for President especially, 3rd party votes are not a waste. Under the Electoral college, we already know who is going to win our State (even a battleground State like mine) — it’s all or nothing — the polls before election tell who is going to win. So voting for the 3rd party guy, changes no outcomes, but sends a message that you favor Liberty and are against the 2-party system. If the Libertarian candidate got 5%, or Constitution Party, it might shift the parties a bit in that direction.

I think you will find that to win the primary, the Democrats will beat up on each other and weaken themselves AND have to adopt outlandishly progressive policies that won’t go over as well in the general election. So I’d expect Trump to win it IF the economy remains strong. Because the President ALWAYS gets credit or blame for that!

Government has grown under both Democratic and Republican regimes (I prefer that to ‘administrations’). Hillary would almost certainly have implemented or attempted to implement new regulations. I’ll credit the Donald for holding new regs at bay. But Trump has signed multiple budget-busting spending bills. Of course, Shrillery would have done the same.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Hillary stated on the air that she would consider a “Forced gun buy-back” as done in Australia. She had shown her stance during the “Million Mom March” (which had nothing close to a million) in the late 1990’s. There is no way I could have voted for her.

[Anonymous 1]

President Trump may be a egotist who bloviates, and I could do without a few of his tweets, HOWEVER, he is one giant middle finger to the media and the self-serving, careerist, political rectums (Democrat and Republican), and that makes me smile.

Democrats would love to see the economy tank, at the expense of all Americans, just because they think it hurts President Trump.

They are me first, my party second, all politicians in the club third, and country behind that.

The agenda readers “running” the so-called debates should require the word “free” be replaced with “on the backs of taxpayers” (e.g., college tuition on the backs of taxpayers).

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

When your mind only sees in black and white a vote for Trump is the same as an endorsement of him.
If you can see grey you know a vote for Trump could mean you just dislike the other candidates more.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Where can I begin.

Okay well lets start with the fact that here in OREGON, they sent SHERIFFS to arrest REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS. I did say ARREST.

Source.
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/06/oregon-republican-senator-issues-threat-to-state-troopers.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2019/06/oregon-governor-sends-police-to-find-missing-republicans-bring-them-to-capitol.html

Okay. What do you do? This was no joke. The governor sent what is in affect an arrest warrant without having to file one. How much more do you think they can do?

Now, imagine if TRUMP just started firing everyone. What do you think that would look like? He is trying to gain support of the people Not the politics. Like it or not, his head is on a plate. An assassination attempt is entirely possible. Next time it will not be a tomato hurled at him. If his security can’t stop a tomato, then like it or not, he is vulnerable.

People in his own staff were informants. People in his OWN PARTY were against him due to fear. And let me remind you, Every single person that supported TRUMP was target period.

Now auto light is in his 70’s And his talking about slowing down. You got TRUMP working more then 18 hour days, and still keeping up with talking to people and getting on the campaign trail. That’s not easy. But he does it.

Do you not remember that courts just wrote off his laws as unconstitutional? And threw them out?

Bro let me remind you, NORMAL PEOPLE HERE WHERE I LIVE are AFRAID TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES AND DRINK BEER for fear of having their old Bush Bumper stickers seen. People have had to remove flags from their homes and cars. Even if they were small stickers.

Lets not mention that right now? THIS…

Washington Post "conservative" blogger Jennifer Rubin on the Trump administration: “We have to … burn down the Republican Party. We have to level them because if there are survivors, if there are people who weather this storm, they will do it again” pic.twitter.com/Dy0uIFxKqg

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) August 26, 2019

I think MGTOW Esquire actually got his post read live on air. But take a look at the comment section when you are not signed in. They are shadow banning posts.

Or how about the open check to beat up his supporters? AND THEY JUST WALK!

right here in PDX JUST YESTERDAY, was an OPEN attack on a man JUST due to his hat. Him and his wife were even refused service do to it.

Just like the article says, IS Portland even safe to get a beer in?

They are OPENLY calling to BURN our houses down man. And this is from a “CONSERVATIVE” voice…

Washington Post "conservative" blogger Jennifer Rubin on the Trump administration: “We have to … burn down the Republican Party. We have to level them because if there are survivors, if there are people who weather this storm, they will do it again” pic.twitter.com/Dy0uIFxKqg

— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) August 26, 2019

The wall? How about YOUR FELLOW LAND OWNERS DON’T WANT TO GIVE IT UP.. GEE I wonder why?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trumps-border-wall-would-need-private-property-but-texas-landowners-plan-to-dig-in-for-lengthy-legal-fight/2019/01/10/d7e4cba8-1443-11e9-803c-4ef28312c8b9_story.html?noredirect=on

What is he suppose to do? FORCE THESE LAND OWNERS like Democrats would? Lets not forget that during that shut down? NOT EVEN THE COAST GAURD was allowed to be paid. In fact, those Boarder agents were working for free. THINK ABOUT THAT. Most MEN out their and their wives are just one pay check away from divorce. Did you think about that? Course not. You are thinking BIG. Well. guess what? People are SMALL. I know it does not make sense, but people matter saddles. You of all people should know this.

https://www.axios.com/trump-border-wall-new-construction-3b7ad3a4-e50c-4330-86bc-193df9e27405.html

Every step the man makes, the democrats and the poeple on the other side makes sure it hurts the normal joe american. And then they just blame trump. Its how it works. Like it or not, not a WORD about the men that free from jail today. Or how he is trying to get all those felons to work. Cuz that is how you BUILD A BASE. HELP your BASE FIRST. And like it or not, THE LAWYERS and the law are still corrupt as f~~~. Little do you know they were trying to use CPS to take his SON AWAY FROM HIM. Never reported on! Think about that.

THE man is living proof of never giving up. And what person do you want for this job? We have an entire agency that is said to help vets, but is filled with people who HATE MEN. Fire them if they can, and out right to refuse to hire vetreans in an organization made to help vets! wrap you head around that one.

Now lets see. He wants a wall. Not only does the house stop it. BUT judges stop it. Private citizens stop it. States won’t do as they are ordered. So what is your grand plan?

I got insider new that would make your jaw drop. Don’t tell me you are sticking your neck out there. I know what bricks feel like.. I KNOW how it is to be attacked in jail at 1 am in the morning and it was NOT a f~~~ing accident!

So when your high ass horse send me a copy of your f~~~ed up torn ligaments from a event that never happened in jail? YOU LET ME KNOW!
In the mean time maybe you could go talk to these people called the public. Cuz the rest of us are a little low on numbers from people who want to risk their necks for the rest of the LOUD MOUTHS!

How about having the STATE take away the very tools I work with? That’s $8,000 dollars of property ONLY they took. what about the work and documents? I’m still not being paid for my last job that I did now 4 months ago. And you tell me that TRUMP could do more?

Man. You got almost no idea how it works on the inside. I bet you never even BEEN to your state Capitol. Let alone tried to visit with your representatives. Do you know how HARD THAT IS TO DO?

Bro, if you only knew. They never report on how its like coming back from a rally when your car tires are flat, your car is keyed, and you have police right there and they won’t even help out security.

And what are you doing right now to help? I want to know? Not just being a keyboard warrior.

DID YOU KNOW that as of right now, we go to bars just to get free beer, so that other people won’t come in to burn it down? Or try to keep away customers? The s~~~ you don’t see would fill the data bandwidth cap of MGTOW.com. And that is just the few states.

Let me remind you… In texas, they set a woman on fire. And so many more things you don’t know about.

Do you want to know the best part? I was going to be working on said wall. I’m going to give you a shocker after my lawsuit. But dude. My jail time was not a f~~~ing accident.

Now go enjoy your freedom while I have been giving up mine.

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

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