(Non MGTOW Topic) Future of the Human Race

[Anonymous 23]

My ideal future would be for all forms of Religion, National identity, gender and currency to be renounced entirely, the entire human race uniting under one banner as citizens of the planet earth, all collectively using our individual minds to better ourselves as a whole, pursuing knowledge and technological advancement.

What is your opinion on a future like this?

[John DoeParticipant 743]

My ideal future would be for all forms of Religion, National identity, gender and currency to be renounced entirely

Religions is a natural part of being human.  Religion was around since recordable history.  To eliminate it would be to eliminate a part of humanity itself.  However, what religion humanity should unite itself under is a separate argument.

National identity would always have to be around, even if there was a one world government, because it would be necessary in order to have leaders effectively manage their territories.  Leaders will always be around because large groups of people will need guidance.

Gender is a huge part of being human.  A man is born with a penis.  A woman a vagina.  To redefine or destroy either would be to effectively harm humanity itself by destroying its ability to reproduce. Men and women are integral parts of a fully functioning society.  To eliminate one would be to eliminate the other.

Currency through trade or money will always be around in one respect or another.  Human beings work, they should be given what is due for their efforts.

the entire human race uniting under one banner as citizens of the planet earth

To unite as a “citizen” would require one to be subject to a government, because citizens only exist under government.  This would contradict your previous thought about “no money, religion, etc.” and in effect make them more mandatory than ever.  Another point, which is important, is the phrase “of planet earth”.  Does that imply we are subject to it? Or are masters over it?

all collectively using our individual minds

If we all collectively use our minds we would no longer be individuals.  If we individually use our minds, there would no longer be a collective.  We can agree to disagree.  However that democratic type of philosophy will be replace be a single leader.  Democracies never last.

better ourselves as a whole, pursuing knowledge and technological advancement.

I do not believe one can make oneself “better” accept in the fact of acting fully in one’s nature.  Am I better with or without a new car/stronger body/sharper mind or am I just the same person with a new car/stronger body/sharper mind?

In regards to pursuing knowledge that is an ongoing philosophical debate.  Do we obtain it?  Or retrieve it?  What types of knowledge and why?  Should certain knowledge be unavailable?  There are a lot of questions in regards to this.

In regards to technological advancement it is unnecessary.  Human beings prospered with little technology and also with a lot of technology.  Human prosperity does not depend solely on technology.  Is it affected?  Yes.  Is it needed?  No.  The pursuit of technology for technologies sake is  inefficient in many aspects.

[Anonymous 23]

John, despite being an engineer I’m not the brightest tool in the box so I’ll have to think upon your post before responding properly a bit later. You have an amazing talent for deconstructing what people say though – Wish I could do that! What is your ideal future for the human race? I don’t think you actually said?

[John DoeParticipant 743]

My apologies Ynys for my lack of answer.  Haha, I answered everything but your question.

The ideal future of the human race could not be my own in any way shape or form.  I am only a man who barely knows what he is doing.  Such is the nature of all men.

The truth is no one can argue  what the “ideal” future would be.  All of us lack the knowledge, strength, and proper emotional grounding to make such a decision.

I deducted a lot from your argument, but deduction won’t even work because we would not know how or where to deduct from.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

This would be a utopia, and all utopias trail with blood, and lots of it. It’s impossible. It’s also unrealistic. There are varieties of minds and backgrounds that lead to a variety of philosophies. All worldviews are the outworking of childhoods, since how we learn to survive our childhoods determine our worldviews. Therefore, renunciation is impossible, there will always be dissenters. Your view of utopia also suffers from the same fate, that it’s you and those like you who would accept it. Others have their own views, and would have you renounce yours.

Finally, having such a society is just asking for the worst. People are power hungry and want to build lives of ignorance. People will use the rules that keeps your society together, to control and manipulate. Eventually you’ll end up with a powerful idiot on top. That leads to massive bloodshed.

Unifying people under a common belief system makes sense though. Democracy would go much more easily since the lowest common denominator is on board. The problem with American democracy is we don’t have agreement and have to trust the random joe. That’s really pitiful. Now the whole of the American government is at the whims of the manipulators if the population is gullible. Well, clearly it is.

Finally, there are those who attempted your view. You can say that they just didn’t do it right, but that’s actually implying that it’s hard to do. If it’s hard, then it might not be correct or sympathetic with the needs of humans. What you’re talking about is a system like Stalin or Mussolini. They tried that, and it didn’t work.

What I advocate is a system that allows mother nature to discipline her children. Instead of coddling people and instilling victim complexes in them, we need to give them reality and tell them to struggle. If you want something, go out and get it. We did screw over the native Americans, so it’s natural to think we owe them something for it, but that turns them into dependent people and that ruined them. Feminism coddles and instills victim complexes (and worse) into the minds of women, and teaches men to loath themselves. Then we tax men and give it to women. That strains the system and produces a system that’s likely to collapse. Now most women are pretty childish and immature.

Giving people over to suffering the pain of reality teaches them to be good people.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

women will get increasingly more and more violent as fewer and fewer men avail themselves for women’s benefit.  This violence will not be limited to using society as a proxy to subdue men. women will lash out at children and each other as well as men. being ignored is enraging to the female. I can’t be sure how the human race as a whole will deal with this in the long term, but I believe more stringent sentences and more female prisons will happen in the short term future. women will get the  attention of society and men, be it  good or bad.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

We can only imagine about our destiny as a species.  I am allowed to imagine my ideal outcome. We would solve the gender role issue and all other strife between each other. Then work toward extending the life supporting capabilities of this planet. I imagine using the earths own rotation to get electric power. magnets and coils that circle the earth at the equator with lines heading north and south. using this also to adjust the speed of rotation to obtain better orbit around the sun. This sounds far fetched I know, but I didn’t ask permission to use my Imagination.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

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