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So, by now I’m sure you’ve heard of the gorilla that got shot because a 4 year old kid “somehow” managed to fall or whatever into the exhibit. Now, how in the hell does that happen unless the mother is either incompetent, negligent or (I’m not usually one for conspiracies or wild accusations, but since it’s a woman I wouldn’t put anything past her) decided she didn’t want the kid anymore and wanted some attention/sympathy and therefore found a way to push her kid into the enclosure? Now the zoo is facing serious backlash for trying to protect the kid’s life by shooting the gorilla (Harambe, I think thats what his name was) and now the mother is probably going to sue that zoo for being negligent or not having better barriers or whatever and for “severe mental stress” or some other bulls~~~.
I’m not sure if this has been brought up before or is in the wrong place, if either of the above let me know. It’d take me too long to go looking and see where it should be or if it’s been done already.
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You ever had kids? They can get away from you very quickly.
I used to tell my daughter that the missing children buliten board at Wal-Mart were photos of all the kids separated from their parents and lost in the store.
I think the zoo keepers did the best they could. In the end people are more important than animals even though some people like animals more, which I understand too.
I still think it’s the mom’s fault. Whether you have kids or not, you know when to pay extra attention to kids around you and when you don’t.
For instance, if you were crossing the street with heavy traffic with your kid, you’d make damn sure they were in your sight at all times.
Same goes for the mom at the zoo. Any time you’re in a crowded place especially, you should always keep an eye on your kid no matter what. No excuses in my opinion. You don’t need to have kids in order to figure this s~~~ out.
You ever had kids? They can get away from you very quickly.
So what? That just means you have to look after them even harder. Nobody is saying parenting is easy, but if you can’t handle being a parent, don’t be one. Nature, as Darwin pointed out and this gorilla was demonstrating, has an efficient way of driving that point home.
It is not the world’s responsibility to look after your genetic investment.
This idiot shouldn’t-be-a-mother should have invested in a leash for her spawn.
In the end people are more important than animals
Really? All people? There are fewer than 900 mountain gorillas left in the world. That’s a genetic bottleneck from which the species may well not recover. But there are plenty more toddlers where that one came from, and most grow up into nothing more than yet another useless eater.
First meme I saw was the poor gorilla thinking, “Why are they upset? I’m doing a better job of looking after this kid than the mother…”
Aside: first time my kids went off to Malaysia to see the mother’s family – Malaysia is a place where there is actual child slavery and kidnapping, not just the bogeyman fear ever western parent has – I gave them a long talking to about not wandering off, never being seperated etc.
My eldest (all of 5 at the time) said, “like Nemo?”
I said, “yeah, Nemo didn’t obey his daddy and look what happened!”
It actually sank in. Who’d have thought AWALT Disney production would come in handy?
You guys are arguing over another BS media story
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I don’t blame the mother. Kids get away from you. They’re constantly trying to get away from you. You can’t watch them and have them tied to you all the time. If you don’t have kids then you don’t f~~~ing get it. Period. Sometimes you have to buy food and pay for stuff, can’t watch them. Sometimes you have to go to the bathroom, can’t watch them. Sometimes another of your kids distracts you, can’t watch them. Nobody is asking zoos to babysit kids. That’s stupid. But zoos should be safety proof. There should be no possible way for a toddler to make his way under a fence and into a wild animal exhibit. None. That’s for your safety and the animal’s. This whole “the zoo is not your babysitter” is a preemptive attack to intimidate and avoid a lawsuit. It’s bulls~~~. Yeah, the gorilla paid the price for the ZOO’S negligence. fix your f~~~ing cages, assholes.
I bathe in the tears of single moms.
If you don’t have kids then you don’t f~~~ing get it. Period.
One doesn’t need to have kids to “get it”. Through observation and thought it’s not hard to come at this objectively. Being a parent your view of the situation is askew.
From the outside looking at your examples it would make sense to put the kid in a harness with a leash. You probably don’t do that becuase of the social stigma which is irrelevant if child safty is the real priority. Either have enough parental supervision on hand or don’t bring them out.
I mean no disrespect and understand your opinion has value. Just my two cents.
I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?
I don’t blame the mother. Kids get away from you. They’re constantly trying to get away from you. You can’t watch them and have them tied to you all the time. If you don’t have kids then you don’t f~~~ing get it. Period. Sometimes you have to buy food and pay for stuff, can’t watch them. Sometimes you have to go to the bathroom, can’t watch them. Sometimes another of your kids distracts you, can’t watch them. Nobody is asking zoos to babysit kids. That’s stupid. But zoos should be safety proof. There should be no possible way for a toddler to make his way under a fence and into a wild animal exhibit. None. That’s for your safety and the animal’s. This whole “the zoo is not your babysitter” is a preemptive attack to intimidate and avoid a lawsuit. It’s bulls~~~. Yeah, the gorilla paid the price for the ZOO’S negligence. fix your f~~~ing cages, assholes.
Yeah, when my kids were little they wanted to go to the zoo all the time. One thought that never crossed my mind was that they could actually get into the exhibit. How the f~~~ do you make an exhibit that a 4 year old could get into? Who exactly do you think goes to the zoo?
And, having 2 kids, I side with the guys that say if you don’t have kids you don’t get it. I didn’t get it until I had kids. Here’s the thing with kids. They have a very small world. When a child is six months old, their world revolves around standing up. It’s the ONLY thing on their mind. Closer to a year, it’s walking. They are concerned about learning ONE skill, single minded. They beat you with superior focus.
In the amount of time that it would have taken her to look down at her watch to see what time it is, thinking about if it’s close to lunch time and where are we going to eat, that kid is in the cage. Because it’s the ONLY F~~~ING THING ON HIS MIND.
And, no offense, but f~~~ the leash. The kid is not a dog. A kid on a leash at 4 is a kid that will need a safe space in college.
The main reason that situation happened is because the zoo f~~~ed up. Ever heard of plexi-glass? Problem solved.
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And, no offense, but f~~~ the leash. The kid is not a dog. A kid on a leash at 4 is a kid that will need a safe space in college.
Again, you say that because of the social stigma of treating a child “like” a dog. If people were really concerned with children’s safety and not what others think, then they should take the necessary precautions to do so. Blaming the Zoo is like women blaming others and not taking responsibility for their actions. Should the zoo have proper containers, yes, but that doesn’t mean s~~~ doesn’t happen. There is no reset button on life, if you fail to see whats coming or plan for what could happen then you have no one blame but your self or bad luck.
Teaching them not to run off should be a priority, which if done right, wont take enough years that require safe spaces when they grow up. Thats a slippery slope argument based on pure conjecture.
There isn’t any family in my life nor anyone I consider a friend, however what I do have is a couple cats that I treat as my kids. You can say how a cat is not equal to a human but that would be a shortsighted assumption. Paternal instincts and how we manage them are purely subjective to the individual. Feelings of love and that of a provider are no less real for me, than that of you with your children.
I do “get it”. Though they are indoor cats, I do take them out for a hour or so around the house, supervised. One listens, the other gets into crazy mode and will take off sprinting then stop till I catch up. This is mitigated by my observations or her and knowing when she is about to take off. I don’t’ blame her or anyone else, I choose to bring her outside, she is my responsibility, end of story.
Again this is not said with any animosity, words can get lost in translation when typed.
I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?
If you don’t have kids then you don’t f~~~ing get it. Period.
And, having 2 kids, I side with the guys that say if you don’t have kids you don’t get it. I didn’t get it until I had kids.
People who say this s~~~ are just bulls~~~ting themselves. People don’t need to stick their hand in the fire to know it’ll burn them. People don’t need to try out marriage to know it’ll f~~~ them. People don’t need to have sex to know the risks of pregnancy. People don’t need to know that buying a house is a huge financial risk and you may come out with nothing on your side of the investment.
Just because you may have kids doesn’t mean someone without kids doesn’t know how to be a f~~~ing parent. I’m sick of the bulls~~~ saying “If you don’t have kids, you don’t f~~~ing get it.” So the f~~~ what if I don’t have kids? I’m not married either but I get the pain married men go through.
So f~~~ off with that bulls~~~ saying.
Teaching them not to run off should be a priority, which if done right, wont take enough years that require safe spaces when they grow up. Thats a slippery slope argument based on pure conjecture.
It’s an observation based on over 15 years of parenting. Here’s the thing about parenting that cats won’t teach you. You see, you aren’t training your cat to be a grown up, adult cat that will leave you and be expected to live on their own. For the first six months of parenting, you do EVERYTHING for you kid, because they can’t do anything. After that, parenting is a process of letting go. Letting them learn for themselves, make mistakes, nurturing, teaching, etc. The only difference in parenting styles is how fast or slow you let go (other than dirt bag crappy parents).
So a huge part of parenting is trying to figure out how much independence to give a kid at any given time. It would appear in this situation that she gave too much, although I still blame to zoo. The ENTIRE F~~~ING PURPOSE of the zoo is to let you see the animals up close in an environment where you can’t get to them and they can’t get to you. That’s the only way a zoo works. So, really, it’s 100% the zoo’s fault that they built a s~~~ty f~~~ing barrier that let someone through. If the kid had wandered off and got lost, I would blame the parent. If the kid gets though Donald Trump’s wall at the border then his f~~~ing wall sucks.
But let me ask you a question. Do you think that every other parent that doesn’t have their kid on a leash is also liable? After all, they made that woman think that it was safe to have a kid off leash. Should all parents be required to have all kids on a leash at all times? Just because they didn’t run off doesn’t mean they won’t.
And, yeah, the helicopter parents have lead to safe spaces at college. Too many of those kids have parents who jump in too quickly and don’t let them figure things out on their own. And then when you finally cut the umbilical cord at 18, they can’t handle it.
And please don’t take that as an indictment of the current younger generation. There’s a lot of them that have their s~~~ together and are cool people. But there’s an awful lot of them that are big self-entitled brats too. But for every one of you on this site, there’s probably 100 male (not men) feminist pussies that think he’s going to get laid tonight by that hairy armpit feminist chick with the blow horn if he just agrees with her enough.
We may just have to agree to disagree on this one. Have a great weekend! And don’t take your cats to the zoo………
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If you don’t have kids then you don’t f~~~ing get it. Period.
And, having 2 kids, I side with the guys that say if you don’t have kids you don’t get it. I didn’t get it until I had kids.
People who say this s~~~ are just bulls~~~ting themselves. People don’t need to stick their hand in the fire to know it’ll burn them. People don’t need to try out marriage to know it’ll f~~~ them. People don’t need to have sex to know the risks of pregnancy. People don’t need to know that buying a house is a huge financial risk and you may come out with nothing on your side of the investment.
Just because you may have kids doesn’t mean someone without kids doesn’t know how to be a f~~~ing parent. I’m sick of the bulls~~~ saying “If you don’t have kids, you don’t f~~~ing get it.” So the f~~~ what if I don’t have kids? I’m not married either but I get the pain married men go through.
So f~~~ off with that bulls~~~ saying.
I also have never built a fence at a zoo, but I know it should keep little kids out of the enclosure. Still 100% the zoo’s fault.
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If you don’t have kids then you don’t f~~~ing get it. Period.
I really expected better of a MGHOW that to hear a bulls~~~ argument like this coming from him. If that’s somehow true, then why the f~~~ are you even here? By that illogic you can’t comment on the crapulence of women because you’ve never been a woman. “You don’t f~~~ing get it.”
The whole existence of MGTOW is an argument against that kind of lack of reasoning.
There should be no possible way for a toddler to make his way under a fence and into a wild animal exhibit.
There was a space between the public and the gorilla enclosure. There was a fence. There was a 5 meter drop into water. There were signs f~~~ing everywhere warning visitors to stay back.
Every day millions of parents around the world somehow manage through some miracle to NOT let their children climb into gorilla pits. Why couldn’t these parents manage that miraculous feat?
This incident did not happen in an instant. That child took several minutes crossing that barrier and climbing over the fence. Moreover the child had repeatedly told his parents he was going to climb into the enclosure. Even above and beyond the normal situational awareness mandatory on parents they had ample f~~~ing warning that there might be an issue there. And yet they STILL couldn’t be arsed to protect their little mini-me.
Why the f~~~ do parents think it’s the whole world’s responsibility to protect and defend their genetic investment? It’s like there’s some selfish solipsist switch that flips in some of their heads telling them that their genes are so f~~~ing important that the rest of the universe has nothing better to do than coddle their children.
Well sorry to break it to you, but if you want your genes to pass on into the future, then it’s on you, and you alone, to ensure that they do.
When I go to a zoo, I want to see the animals, not a bunch of bars and wire and barricades and plastic. And if that means you have to actually do your job as a parent, the job you voluntarily accepted but I have no say in, then so be it. If you can’t manage your children at the zoo, don’t take them there.
And, no offense, but f~~~ the leash. The kid is not a dog.
My dog knows how to f~~~ing heel. I taught her that in an afternoon. What does that say about parents that they can’t even teach their kids to heel?
A kid on a leash at 4 is a kid that will need a safe space in college.
But he needs a safe space at the zoo? An even safer space than the one already provided that somehow manages to keep millions of other children out of the gorilla pit? That’s the parents’ fault for not raising that kid right, not the zoo’s.
Just because that four year old shouldn’t have needed a leash doesn’t mean he didn’t need one. Clearly he did.
I also have never built a fence at a zoo, but I know it should keep little kids out of the enclosure.
And it does for the vast, vast, vast majority of children. So far as I know this has never ever happened at that zoo before. Given that millions of parents somehow succeed in keeping their children out of that gorilla pit, why are these parents such a special case?
Still 100% the zoo’s fault.
It is not the zoo’s responsibility, or the world’s, to make it 100% impossible for you to fail at being a parent.
I also have never built a fence at a zoo, but I know it should keep little kids out of the enclosure. Still 100% the zoo’s fault.
There was a space between the public and the gorilla enclosure. There was a fence. There was a 5 meter drop into water. There were signs f~~~ing everywhere warning visitors to stay back.
Why the f~~~ do parents think it’s the whole world’s responsibility to protect and defend their genetic investment? It’s like there’s some selfish solipsist switch that flips in some of their heads telling them that their genes are so f~~~ing important that the rest of the universe has nothing better to do than coddle their children.
Sidecar already pretty much all I was gonna say on that response.
I may not be a parent, but I do know if I had a kid, I’d be watching them like a hawk watches its prey every f~~~ing minute of the day. If I had to put a leash on them, I’d do that as well. Especially if they tended to walk away from me every chance they got.
I don’t need to be a parent to know the responsibilities of a parent.
Parents who don’t know how to watch their kids like a hawk watches its prey, especially in crowded spaces, should never be a f~~~ing parent to begin with.
It’s an observation based on over 15 years of parenting. Here’s the thing about parenting that cats won’t teach you. You see, you aren’t training your cat to be a grown up, adult cat that will leave you and be expected to live on their own.
So a huge part of parenting is trying to figure out how much independence to give a kid at any given time.
But let me ask you a question. Do you think that every other parent that doesn’t have their kid on a leash is also liable? After all, they made that woman think that it was safe to have a kid off leash. Should all parents be required to have all kids on a leash at all times? Just because they didn’t run off doesn’t mean they won’t.
And, yeah, the helicopter parents have lead to safe spaces at college. Too many of those kids have parents who jump in too quickly and don’t let them figure things out on their own. And then when you finally cut the umbilical cord at 18, they can’t handle it.
We may just have to agree to disagree on this one. Have a great weekend! And don’t take your cats to the zoo………
Valid point, I didn’t think of it from that angle.
Valid point 2, given my experiences growing up I wouldn’t even want that responsibility. Kudos for your efforts.
I’m not quite sure what you’re asking, could you rephrase the question?
Agreed.
Fair enough. Haha, very sound advice, you as well.
I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?
Well guys, I will say this much, because I’ve seen the headlines but haven’t read the whole story or kept up with every little detail.
If it took the kid more than about 15 seconds to get in there, then I take back saying it’s 100% the zoo’s fault. If he slipped through in a second or two, then yeah it should be harder than that to get in.
I also have never built a fence at a zoo, but I know it should keep little kids out of the enclosure. Still 100% the zoo’s fault.
There was a space between the public and the gorilla enclosure. There was a fence. There was a 5 meter drop into water. There were signs f~~~ing everywhere warning visitors to stay back.
Why the f~~~ do parents think it’s the whole world’s responsibility to protect and defend their genetic investment? It’s like there’s some selfish solipsist switch that flips in some of their heads telling them that their genes are so f~~~ing important that the rest of the universe has nothing better to do than coddle their children.
Sidecar already pretty much all I was gonna say on that response.
I may not be a parent, but I do know if I had a kid, I’d be watching them like a hawk watches its prey every f~~~ing minute of the day. If I had to put a leash on them, I’d do that as well. Especially if they tended to walk away from me every chance they got.
I don’t need to be a parent to know the responsibilities of a parent.
Parents who don’t know how to watch their kids like a hawk watches its prey, especially in crowded spaces, should never be a f~~~ing parent to begin with.
I agree with you 100% there. My attitude anytime we went anywhere was “it’s not gonna be my kid.” If there’s some dirt bag looking for a little kid to steal, they weren’t going to be mine. It’s going to be some kid whose parents weren’t paying attention. And I told my kids that. But that goes back to my point about how fast you let go. There were plenty of parents who let their kids to go the mall at 10 years old by themselves with their other 10 year old friends. Not mine. Now, 99.9999% of the time it works out fine. But my kids weren’t going to be the .00001%.
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I’ve heard only a small uproar about this on social media. I don’t think it’s the mother’s fault this occurred although she is entirely responsible for the safety of her child under her supervision. The children’s zoo should have had tighter inspections to prevent anyone from climbing and crawling into the enclosure that has multiple levels of barriers to disable the wild animals from getting in and out. As far as the penalty goes she should at least have to pay for the costs of the animal’s life and any bills that occurred because of the event, or maybe take her child taken away for neglect.
If you don’t have kids then you don’t f~~~ing get it. Period.
I really expected better of a MGHOW that to hear a bulls~~~ argument like this coming from him. If that’s somehow true, then why the f~~~ are you even here? By that illogic you can’t comment on the crapulence of women because you’ve never been a woman. “You don’t f~~~ing get it.”
The whole existence of MGTOW is an argument against that kind of lack of reasoning.
Hold on. Let me clarify. I’m not saying that you don’t understand anything about parenting because you don’t have kids. I’m saying you’re wrong about this one point and if you had kids, you’d know you were wrong. If you think a child will never get away from his parents, then you don’t get that it’s impossible to watch them and keep them in check all the time. They are curious and full of energy and don’t understand how dangerous it is to get away from their parents. While there are some things you can understand about parenting by observation, there are also things you can not. This is apparently one of them. Did you not ever get separated from your parents as a child? I find it hard to believe that never happened in your childhood. Are your parents incompetent for that having happened? Wouldn’t that be a harsh judgement? When it happens in a crowded place, it can take a while to find your child and you probably wouldn’t think to look past safety barriers. My kids never strayed far from me but I know kids with no fear who are gone the minute you turn your head. Now, maybe the mother is a s~~~ty mom and maybe she is incompetent. Your opinion is as good as mine on that. I just don’t think her kid getting away from her is enough to make that conclusion. That’s all. I believe the gorilla’s death is the zoo’s fault. They’re responsible to keep animals separated from people.
Why am I here? I’m not here to judge women or criticize them, although I do that from time to time. I judge women on how they interact with men and other women. I think those are observable things and I have experience. I don’t talk about what it’s like to menstruate or give birth because I know “I don’t get it”, other than it hurts. I’m mostly here to warn men about getting married and to tell them that the cards are stacked against them in family courts. I have experienced that first hand and I talk about it.
I bathe in the tears of single moms.
Sidecar:
I hadn’t read anything other than the headlines on this, but I appreciate the details about the kid telling his parents over and over that he was going to go in there. At that point, I take back what I said about it being 100% the zoo’s fault. The parents should have left that exhibit and ended it right there.
Thanks for the info. I’d rather get it right than be right, and after hearing that I don’t think I was right.
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