No Sacrifice, no Value

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    Freedom
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    There are many reasons why modern marriages fail, and many good reasons for men to avoid them. Here is another such reason:

    “Effort Justification” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort_justification ) is the name given to the observation that humans place higher value on things (including and especially memberships in a group) for which they had to make significant sacrifice in order to gain entry.

    Consider that when a man marries a woman, he makes tremendous sacrifice. He is commonly expected to purchase a engagement ring that is more than he can afford, both wedding rings, the bouquet, marriage license, the honeymoon, and on top of all that signs away half of what he owns including future income.

    The woman, on the other hand, sacrifices comparatively little. She must invest time into her appearance, and into doing things with her fiancee, though these are things that she would want to do anyway. Women with no intention of marrying do this sort of thing for fun.

    She does not buy him a gift that requires her to go into debt. The wedding does not cost her any money, and in fact she gets showered with gifts.

    Once upon a time, there was a steep sacrifice that women made: they gave up all their opportunities to meet and marry a superior man. A veritable army of wealthy, powerful, attractive single men were forever out of her reach once she tied the knot. This cost, though implicit, was still an enormous sacrifice on her part.

    No more. Now women can freely cheat with little consequence, and can easily divorce (with bonus prizes!) and upgrade to a superior man, at any time.

    So what does this mean? Even if we assume that men and women are morally and emotionally equal in every way, we see that the man makes an enormous sacrifice, whereas the woman does not. We would expect, by the principle of “effort justification”, that women would not place a very high value on the marriage, and that they would frequently abandon the relationship for precisely this reason.

    Which is, of course, exactly what is happening. Most divorces are initiated by women, and many of the rest are only initiated by men because the woman deliberately drives him to initiate once she decides she wants out.

    It may be objected that most women work and have their own money going into a marriage, so some of the costs are shared between them, and the long-term financial commitment from the man is less (since he will get to keep more of what he brings when divorced, since they are more evenly matched).

    This is only true sometimes. Working women commonly seek to marry wealthier men, and commonly stop working after the marriage, thus pushing the man’s level of sacrifice right back up (and her own even further down). And of course the ring cost is usually still one-way.

    So, the end result is that that most (even if not all) marriages are doomed before they start, simply because one of the participants has not made the level of sacrifice that really drives a sense of importance into the human mind.

    Given the enormous costs of a divorce, it makes no rational sense to enter into such an arrangement with someone that has no “skin in the deal.”

    It is wise to fear dangerous commitments.

    #372387
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    Greg Honda
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    Her sacrifice is opportunity cost. If she settles with the wrong guy she has potentially missed out on something better. The same can be said of the guy I guess but we are easily pleased. As she gets older the potential missed opportunities dwindle so the risk that she will miss something better are diminished. That’s why women are marrying later and later. They only cash out when they have no more chips to play.

    It's Time to get Wise

    #372389
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    Cataphract
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    I didn’t truly appreciate the value of money until I earned it myself and modern women don’t truly appreciate all the welfare, subsidies and scholarships they have access to because society just give it to them just for having a vagina, so it is no surprise that women act this way because we as a society have spoilt women rotten during the last 50 years or so.

    Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.

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    I didn’t truly appreciate the value of money until I earned it myself and modern women don’t truly appreciate all the welfare, subsidies and scholarships they have access to because society just give it to them just for having a vagina, so it is no surprise that women act this way because we as a society have spoilt women rotten during the last 50 years or so.

    And it all starts with their mothers poisoning their minds telling them they have the golden vagina. And of course the validation they receive from betas doesn’t help either as it just reinforces the BS they’ve been fed since birth. Seeing how stupid some men act and behave just to get some pussy, women learn the art of deception quite well.

    Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

    #372449
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    Greg Honda
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    @NFG

    I can tell you lived it man. But you came out the other side right? All kudos to you and the other experienced guys who care to warn the young instead of leaving them to their fate.

    I hope the message goes far and wide to stop the exploitation of the young men destined for a life of ignorant slavery.

    In our own small way, we are working to change the world to a better place.

    Peace out 🙂

    It's Time to get Wise

    #372450
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    Beer
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    The sacrifice compounds the older you are as well, as you have had more time to accumulate resources and more of your working years behind you. Marrying at 24 while starting your career out and having had little time to accumulate resources, then divorcing 5 years later is going to end up being much cheaper and leave you with more years left to recover financially before retirement age than marrying at 34 when you’ve already accumulated a few hundred thousand in stock and real estate equity and have a decade less to recover before retirement.

    Besides for more financial risk for yourself for waiting to marry later in life…what do you get for it? You get a woman who has been sleeping around for the last 10-15 years and is in the twilight of her prime, who may very well already have some other dudes kids, some rotten crotch diseases, debt, and emotional baggage. Who the hell wants to pay a premium for used goods? I sure don’t. If women couldn’t commit to you during their peak SMV years why should you commit to them during yours?

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    Greg Honda
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    The sacrifice compounds the older you are as well, as you have had more time to accumulate resources and more of your working years behind you. Marrying at 24 while starting your career out and having had little time to accumulate resources, then divorcing 5 years later is going to end up being much cheaper and leave you with more years left to recover financially before retirement age than marrying at 34 when you’ve already accumulated a few hundred thousand in stock and real estate equity and have a decade less to recover before retirement.

    Besides for more financial risk for yourself for waiting to marry later in life…what do you get for it? You get a woman who has been sleeping around for the last 10-15 years and is in the twilight of her prime, who may very well already have some other dudes kids, some rotten crotch diseases, debt, and emotional baggage. Who the hell wants to pay a premium for used goods? I sure don’t. If women couldn’t commit to you during their peak SMV years why should you commit to them during yours?

    Couldn’t agree more. My feelings exactly. I tried internet dating POF. They still have this delusion that they can demand the highest quality male. All very keen to let you know the lifestyle they deserve while being silent on what they offer in return for bankrolling that lifestyle.

    If someone gave their best years to me I would stand by them in their decline out of honour. If someone has given their best years to another guy then what debt do I owe them?

    It's Time to get Wise

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