NFL: conspiracy or just bad calls.

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

I have been watching football since I born. My grandpa and I would watch his Detroit Lions run the field, as Barry Sanders made defenses look rediculous. My grandpa showed me all of the teams, and I somehow chose the Cincinnati Bengals as my team, and stuck with it through all of these years. I very much enjoy these memories and what football was to me. However, it feels very different from what I remember.

I feel as if games are scripted, some more than others. I am not suggesting that all of these players are in on it, but just the officials on the field. It seems that they make just enough calls at the right time to make sure a game goes the right way.

I do not want to coerce an answer, but get an open minded viewpoint from other fans of the sport, to see what they think on the subject. Do you think that the NFL predetermines who wins football games, all or just big ones? Who do you think is involved, if you believe that they do? Do you think this is just a large amount of bad calls by officials, in a coincidence of timing, to alter momentum.

Some more recent bad calls that impacted the games, Bengals vs. Steelers, TD called an incomplete catch, tackled player called fumble, even after review, to name only two from that game. The even more obvious “fumble” between the Browns and Redskins, where the Brown player is holding the ball, trying to hand it to the official, and is declared a Redskin recovery.

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

That horrible Julio Jones non call last night lost me a lot of damn $$.

I’m beginning to think it’s all just a scam.

[hadenough1969Participant 539]

Once upon a time I was in a business that provided me access to the NFL. In my first hours “on-site” all my preconceptions of “pro sports” were destroyed. Here is what I learned as it relates to the NFL, I am sure all pro sports are the same:

1. The NFL is a business. The primary product of this business is entertainment. It is ONE business, each team is a franchise of the business.

2. Cases have gone all the way to the Supreme Court to prove that since this is a private business any and all measures the board deems necessary to increase business and therefore increase revenue are legal. Read that again carefully and think about it. This court case proved that all pro sports are just like WWF, whether they admit it or not.

3. All the teams share the bulk of the revenue, win or lose just like any other multi branch business.

4. The training facilities for the teams are the corporate headquarters of each 1 billion a year+ business. The stadiums are simply a “venue” and no one means anymore to a player/owner than another. This is why they so easily go from one to another…whichever one will produce more revenue for the entire company.

5. The fans that attend a game are the “studio audience” for the TV show they are making. The owners and players literally laugh at the money people pay for tickets to come be a studio audience for the TV show the NFL is making that makes them billions of dollars.

6. The entire season is scripted far in advance from start to finish. Who will get in trouble, who will be injured, how the playoffs are going to happen etc. EVERY GAME IS A TV SHOW!!!!! It has producers, writers, set, props, talent, transport, TV crews, makeup you name it, it is all there.

7. Everyone is in on it, and happy to do so because it is how they make their living. Period, end of story. Do you want to be rich and famous or blow the whistle and disappear? From the guys on ESPN to the coaches, to the players to the refs everyone is there to MAKE A TV SHOW THAT PEOPLE WILL WANT TO WATCH. THIS IS HOW THEY ALL GET RICH…from the gullible public.

8. They bribe the public and the cities to build them new TV studios (AKA stadiums) for free.

I have not been able to watch any “pro” sport since. There are other much better fictional TV shows to waste my time on should I want to do so.

I still watch a bit of college sports, although there are other forces at play there as well as it relates to gambling.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

hadenough1969 wrote:

6. The entire season is scripted far in advance from start to finish. Who will get in trouble, who will be injured, how the playoffs are going to happen etc.

I agree with everything but this ^
That’s some bulls~~~. Key games and key plays can have some league-involved bias in officiating, but as far as teams go yes, they are franchises, but they’re financially motivated to win. And there is no way individual players get coached on when to “take a dive” or slack around. This would have come out for sure – there were plenty of disgruntled players who wouldn’t miss an opportunity to do just that, and plenty of sports nuts who would have picked up on it
Players are instructed on when to act like they’re injured for entertainment value? I want to have some of the s~~~ you are smoking.
The only way this is all scripted – is if God himself is on this fix. There are so many random variables – it’s impossible to be sure to arrive at the needed result in all cases. This ain’t wrestling or boxing
F~~~outahere! You sound like someone who’s a flat earther
P.S: People often describe me as a conspiracy theorist, but you are far beyond that

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[narwhalParticipant]

hadenough1969 wrote:

6. The entire season is scripted far in advance from start to finish. Who will get in trouble, who will be injured, how the playoffs are going to happen etc. EVERY GAME IS A TV SHOW!!!!! It has producers, writers, set, props, talent, transport, TV crews, makeup you name it, it is all there.

I call BS on this. That would be a massive conspiracy with thousands and thousands in on it. The chances that no one has ever blown the whistle in all these decades…is astronomical. I have no doubt that it’s not all on the up and up. And obviously, rules changes are made to make the game more entertaining. On the TV side, they are experts and creating heroes and villains where none exist. I can’t believe it’s all one big lie though.

Ok. Then do it.

[BobarioParticipant 96]

The NFL is getting more and more like wrestling each passing year. I doubt there is any big conspiracy and the whole season is rigged as that would be too hard too keep under cover forever. But it seem like something is amiss somewhere. I remember reading an article accusing officials of spread betting on games they were refereeing to win big money, maybe that it. Too many games are decided by bulls~~~ decisions lately and it’s getting worse.

[Anonymous 24]

I have a more obvious fix. NBA. Last season was a joke, the MVP Steph Curry got zero calls in the Finals. NBA wanted the story of Lebron bringing a title to Cleveland.

Take some time to investigate the 2002 Kings Vs. Lakers on Youtube, many videos breaking it all down. Complete rig job. These guys favor bigger market teams and stories that sell products. Lakers had Kobe and Shaq, and were in big market L.A… And the series was an absolute sham. That Kings team was one of the best I have ever seen. The best passing big men with Divac and Webber of all time on the court at the same time on the same team…I watched every second of that series live, and did not have a horse in the race and was still screaming at the T.V. the whole time because it was so obvious.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I have no proof. But it is rigged. It has to be. With that much money at stake.

Follow the money.

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[hadenough1969Participant 539]

I’m sorry to break it to you guys, but some of you have had too many blue pills on this one. They are not “taking a dive”. They are simply going to work. They are not “being coached”. They are reading their task list for the day and doing as they are told. No different than any of the rest of us. We do what we are told to do at work or we get fired.

It is a job, that is all.

Just last week I was watching a NFL game in CA (I forget which teams). It was the end of the 4th and one team was going to kick a field goal to tie it up. I told the people with me, “The debates are coming on in a few minutes tonight, they can’t let this game go long, they will have to do something to keep the night on schedule.”

Sure enough the holder “misses” the snap, then runs after it and pretends to try to pick it up, then it is recovered by the other team. End of game, and the schedule rolls on. If you watched the replay with the understanding they were acting, you can see it as clear as day because he didn’t do a very good job faking it. This is but 1 example.

The major plot lines for the season are all scripted just like a soap opera. Then the producers and writers on site make calls live to help keep it “real” while following the overall agenda/script.

I was in the business of “making TV” for over 20 years. I promise you, the NFL is simply, “making TV” for the masses and they control it at every level.

I could go on, but just take some time to read the book, “The Fix Is In” by Brian Tvoy. He has done all the reseach, has the footnotes and bibiliography etc. Once you read that book there is not much more to say.

http://thefixisin.net/book.html

This is not a conspiracy. It is business. Completely legal, sanctioned by the supreme court and the business model for every “professional” sport.

[hadenough1969Participant 539]

1 other thing…if you think there are “too many people in the know” remember the Manhattan project kept the biggest secret ever for years…and there were no less than 130,000 people working on it all over the nation and spies actively trying to find out about it from multiple foreign powers.

You wanna blow the whistle on this mega billion dollar industry? Maybe you don’t care about yourself, but everyone cares about their kids and families.
No, I think you would keep your nice job, all the perks and “toe the line” with everyone else.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Yeah, I heard interviews with this author on AJ show, but never got to his blog or to his book until now.
It’s very interesting to say the least. You can read up on his NFL week-by-week analysis here
http://thefixisin.net/nfl2016.html
and it makes a lot of sense.

I think there is a lot of truth in notions that team with bigger sales potential are being handed priority on wins in the play offs. I’ve also noticed since long time ago that it’s very curious how NBA finals series nearly almost end up being 7 games to maximize profit.
It’s also very curious how teams with brand new stadiums start winning like crazy
But to call each and every game staged – I think this is exaggeration. Close games – probably, but every game? Doubtful. But I have an open mind and will try to find some time to read that book

I love anomalies because they can be clues for making money trading or sports gambling. If there were major predictable anomalies – it would be very easy to make money off pro sports.
I tentatively call bulls~~~ on this author, because if he really knew all the nitty gritty of pro sports – he wouldn’t be writing books about it, but instead he’d live in Vegas and make boatloads of money off betting on pro sports.

Notice how he always claims everything post-factum. It is very easy to do and doesn’t mean s~~~. If he made boatloads of money on guesses / knowledge of rigging schemes – only then I would believe him.
In other words – put the money where your mouth is, mr Brian Tuohy!
If you’re so smart – post your predictions ahead of games and we’ll see how they compare to the actual outcomes. It should be easy, right? Just follow the money?

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Anonymous 24]

Russky wrote:

I’ve also noticed since long time ago that it’s very curious how NBA finals series nearly almost end up being 7 games to maximize profit.

I have noticed this as well. They certainly seem to try to get it to go as far as possible. Big money in the play offs each game further that it goes, big money…I watched NBA religiously from the mid-eighties until that 2002 series with Kings vs. Lakers. Since then I come back to it only now and then, usually just long enough to sniff out another rig job then stop watching again…

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

I believe it has more to do with referee’s than anything. Yes the leagues would rather see the big franchises continue to win. They would prefer two dynasties battling in championships every year because that would make the most money.

I like to watch the NHL, NFL, and NCAA football/basketball and I do watch a lot on the weekends. There isn’t a possible way the games could be scripted, but I do believe that the leagues coach the referee’s on how to call certain games. I’m sure everyone knows that the better teams (NE Patriots, Ohio St., Alabama, Red Wings, Penguins) get more calls going their way than the worse teams do. There were three calls favoring Michigan against Wisconsin, which should not have been penalties, which affected the outcome of the game.

Also, the “Make-Up” call. I’ve seen this happen more than once and it’s bulls~~~.

I worked with a guy who knew a few OSU football players and he said that when they would play Penn St. The Penn St. players would literally say “The calls are going our way tonight” So I don’t doubt that refs have more control over the outcome than we realize.

I also think that the referee’s own ego’s have something to do with it. Seems like more and more of them enjoy being in the spotlight. And enjoy the press over missed calls. There is a ref in the NCAA who is in a lot of BIG10 games who has a pretty big ego. I don’t know his name but you can tell just by watching that he loves being the center of attention. You’re there to call the game, the players are there to play.

You mix the big ego’s of the ref’s, with all the money at stake, and it seems to make sense that they can and will change the outcome of games. The instant replays also have made the ref’s worse because they don’t have to work as hard to make the right call. Not as much pressure is put on them as it was in the past to make the correct call. Less pressure = less focus. Why strain yourself when you have a back up in the instant replay booth?

A lot of bias goes into sports as well. If you’re a fan of a certain team then you might not think the call should have been made, when it clearly should have been made. I’m an OSU fan and the other OSU fans are some of the most obnoxious f~~~ers around. I don’t go out in public to watch games anymore because of all of the morons thinking they know which way the call should have gone. You also have to take into consideration that a ref might have attended a school that he is reffing for…

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