New to this site, but not to MGTOW

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Discovered MGTOW sometime before the 2nd wife left. I guess you could call me purple pill… I don’t trust women, and I only date, but will never marry again or allow a woman to move into MY house again.

I left my first wife (who was a negative, grumpy, nagging type) when I was in my 30’s and got involved with who was to become my second wife — too soon after, in retrospect. The second wife was close to the polar opposite of the first one, more positive acting, more cheerful, etc, but eventually turned into a cheater. (she cheated with four different people, moving out to go with the fourth person). I managed to avoid making things worse than they already were, and have worked out so far what seems to be a workable arrangement where I have custody of our son and she has custody of our daughter. My analysis of the 2nd wife is that she was in love with the idea of being in love. One fling, resulting from her getting drunk in a bar while training for work out of state, resulting in her pursing the guy online and by phone/text, trying to turn a one-night stand into some kind of relationship — but he was married and he seemed to “ghost” her. (I was also her second husband)

I did the online dating thing after she left in 2016. Not with the intention of ever getting married; because I’m done. Never again. Also, no having a girlfriend ever move in with me.

I discovered pretty quickly how to manage everything (first dates, etc) to minimize cost/risk, etc to myself. 40 first dates resulting in 5 second dates (over the first 5 months), something like 3 third dates, but ultimately didn’t go anywhere. 8 first dates at the end of last year resulted in 2 second dates at the end of December. (unexpectedly, considering the ratio in the first 5 months of dates)

The white woman (who lives out of town not much more than half an hour away) sort of threw herself at me not long after the first date (because she had been horny for months after HER cheating ex left her). The Asian woman (also divorced,who lives real local) was more chaste, and we didn’t have sex until like the 8th date, but she was already calling me “boyfriend” by like the 4th date (before the white woman even officially considered me a boyfriend) My research into her culture (she was born in SE Asia but moved to US and lived her just shy of 30 years) indicates a tendency to want to “formalize” a relationship with a title like “boyfriend” before any sex happens.

Only dating them for 3 months total, so far. Early in the dating of both, I got a vasectomy, so THAT potential issue will not rear its head. (Both women are supposed to be safe — one tube tied and the other with the UID — but I didn’t want to take any chances with more babies by taking anyone at their word). I’m 49… both are about my age and have jobs they like.

I’d generally not be big on the idea of dating two women simultaneously, but I didn’t want to punish the Asian woman for being more chaste than the white woman, while at the same time it didn’t make any sense to punish the white woman for sleeping with me sooner, since its not like I’ll ever marry either and sex with no marriage contract was a goal. I figured based on having not gotten to a 5th date in the previous dating iterations, that one of the two would not continue past the 4th date. But the dates with those two kept going, until I was sleeping with the Asian girlfriend, too. (After the 2nd date with each of them, I abandoned the online dating to focus on those two)

Other than the obvious pitfalls in this situation (e.g. one finding out about the other and getting really angry and acting out somehow), which other pitfalls might befall me at my age, dating women around my age, with me having been vasectomied and sterile?

A few things I’d note: one, they both say the love me, but I have read a lot, besides MGTOW, all kind of stuff about sex, relationships, marriage, dating, tens of thousands of pages on the subjects, from different perspectives. I can honestly say I love neither of them; I simply deduced before I met them, that romantic love is not real, and I simply find I cannot have an emotional reaction to something once I realize it is not real. I’m able to keep relationships going with them, because I remember how I would have reacted back when I was naive and could “fall in love” with a woman, and thus do the “right things”. I’m like a black box that spews out the right reaction to input, but the actual process occurring internally is completely different. I’ve found that now that I understand women (for example, Briffault’s Law), I find it impossible to love them.

I don’t believe this is such a thing as NAWALT unicorns (or in the very least, I believe in EWALT — enough women are like that), but they at least do not push me (yet…) into unfair resource expenditures. (they both tend to split bills for the times we eat out, or alternate on paying for something like a movie or such). Neither one of them could be mistaken for one of the many land whales that seem to inhabit the US — being fairly petite. While not going into detail with them about such things as MGTOW, I have specified that I will never sign a marriage “contract” again and they at least SEEM okay with that idea.

Which could be some of the most likely issues (besides the obvious one of them finding out about each other) in dating women my age, in my situation?

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

Brother,
The break-down, by the numbers, tells me you’re a man fully aware of what’s going on around him. Let me be the first to welcome you. Glad to have you. From the sound of things, I think you’ll fit right in.

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

As an aside, what is that particular piece of Armor your showing off? It almost looks like an M1A1, but the Coppola’s silhouette isn’t familiar to me. Looks like typical smoothbore 120, but can’t really tell. I only ask b/c I’m former 19k. So Armor still has a place in my heart…

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Ironically, I’m having trouble remembering, but I think it was a German Leopard 2 tank.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings R314,

Your well written introduction is like looking at myself ten years ago. Back then, I would have given you a “What-a-Guy!” award.

Now your introduction seems filled with Purple Pill stuff. Yes, it is thought-provoking, but for me it raises awareness of some interesting Red Pills and Red Flags.

My conception of what it means to be MGTOW has evolved over the past year since participating in the Forums. Thanks MGTOWs!

Alas, too many MGTOWs are still married and planning their escape from the “Plantation.” It is enough to just be on the MGTOW Road in order to be welcome here. Also, compared to the slaves trying to escape, you are a “free” man and way ahead of the curve.

Your lifestyle, situation, advanced skill set, and viewpoint are similar to many of the outstanding MGTOWs who participate in the Forums, including some of our esteemed Patriarchs. You will fit in quite well here.

Nevertheless, introductions like yours makes me think about how much time, creativity, and parts of my soul I lost by being involved with all of the women after my divorce. What a Waste!!!

And the deleterious effects that my subsequent RelationS~~~S has on the quality of MY LIFE now is difficult for me to describe. All I can now say is that there were consequences beyond the monetary.

I have come to believe that being apart from the influences of Woman and their Blue Pill slaves, is a necessary condition for an extraordinary life as a “free man.” And Natural Born MGTOWs have wonderful lives.

Back in my forties, there was no way anyone could convince me to stop f~~~ing women. I was divorced, lived alone, and debt free. As far as I was concerned back then, I was more “MGTOW” than any other man I knew about. Most men who learned about my accomplishments, wanted to be me.

Today, I am not sure what I could say that would be useful to my forty year old self, if I could travel back in time. Like my foolish real estate and stock market investments back then, I was resolute and driven by visions of success. The primal drive combined with the “Freedom” and agency to f~~~ the women I wanted to f~~~ was a thousand times worse.

Ranger One wrote:

…Which could be some of the most likely issues (besides the obvious one of them finding out about each other) in dating women my age, in my situation?

Enough of this Purple Pill talk about dating women!!!

You can redeem yourself by writing in the reply box below.

Kindly provide more details about what YOU are doing with YOUR freedom.

What does YOUR life look like apart from women?

What kind of fun things do YOU do?

Any future projects or plans for YOUR life?

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[Anonymous 0]

Ranger One wrote:

a German Leopard 2 tank.

Yep. A Leopard 2SG – in this case used by the Singapore Army.
…and welcome.

[bladeParticipant]

Welcome to the brother hood .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[AttonParticipant]

You sure are smarter than a lot of men welcome to the forum.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

Greetings R314,
Your lifestyle, situation, advanced skill set, and viewpoint are similar to many of the outstanding MGTOWs who participate in the Forums, including some of our esteemed Patriarchs. You will fit in quite well here.

Nevertheless, introductions like yours makes me think about how much time, creativity, and parts of my soul I lost by being involved with all of the women after my divorce. What a Waste!!!

Kindly provide more details about what YOU are doing with YOUR freedom.

What does YOUR life look like apart from women?

What kind of fun things do YOU do?

Any future projects or plans for YOUR life?

Probably the only reason I can tolerate having two girlfriends beyond getting laid is having a few areas where the interests overlap, and being introduced to some new stuff that complements MY interests. For example, one of my largest interests is gardening, but more so from a prepper standpoint, so I primarily plant edible perennials (I have 2 1/4 acres, half wooded, half not) and usually ignore flowers.

I recently dug out a 450 square foot goji berry bush and strawberry garden by the house. I fenced it in (because deer are a problem), and I purchased two metal 7′ black trellises to use to create a double gate, an obvious weak-point. One gf has a vine that she wants to get rid of, a Carolina jasmine, which after I googled, turns out to be toxic to deer and something they avoid. So I will let that climb on the gate to ward off the deer. The Asian gf gave me a pot of edible plant I’d never heard of (a SE Asia-originated plant that can curiously survive the winters here outside).

My life apart from women looks pretty much the same as when I have them around, except I’m not getting laid. I do house projects (the ex when she was staying at home with the kids after she quit work before eventually leaving, she wasn’t good at keeping the kids from degrading the house) like repainting most of the house inside, converting former fuel tank room into a useable room, converting a former oil boiler room into an armory. (I’m currently researching how to make a seamless concealed doorway).

Since I have a A) prepper mentality, and B) am ex military, C) work on a base, I have evolved an interest in having my own armory. (everything from Sub2000 folding carbines to an FNH Scar in .308) The only common ammo I don’t have a weapon for is .357mag/.38, and I will eventually get a Smith & Wesson Model 686 revolver for that. (the white gf has a couple of her own)

I’ve been losing weight since the ex left by working out more (jogging, walking, weights, exercise bike). I’ve lost about 15 pounds, so I’m under 200 now, which isn’t too bad for 49 and 6’2″. (The Asian gf tends to be supportive of THAT endeavor) I tend to only endorse pursuits that will benefit me. I balk at the idea of ever being a beast of burden again or girlie or feminist crap. (One of these days, I’m going to watch my DVD of “A Boy and His Dog” with one of them — now THAT is probably the original MGTOW sci-fi movie, in case you haven’t seen it yet)

Politically/philosophically, I find myself increasingly leaning towards a mix of nationalism and Randian Objectivism. I find I like Dapperton on Youtube. I’m disgusted with “social justice warriors”, “snowflakes”, globalism and socialism, and as well as having taxes go to support single mothers and their spawn. My nicknames for Sweden and Germany are “North Cuckistan” and “South Cuckistan”, respectively. My term for being raped or murdered by immigration jihadis is “being merkeled”. I also like Stefan Molyneux on Youtube, although I think he is a bit deluded about his perceived-NAWALT wife — I can’t help but wonder if a few years down the road I’ll be watching a video about his wife cheating or leaving him.

My biggest legacy will be my two boys. My oldest, who is in college and lives with my FIRST ex, is well-down the MGTOW route, and is basically a celibate MGTOW monk. I see him every weekend. We are steering my younger teenage son towards the MGTOW route. I’m hoping to moderate my daughter’s development, who I only see a 7-8 weeks a year, so a Kraken doesn’t get unleashed up on the world when she is older.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Anonymous 0]

Welcome home, RangerOne
Beer’s in the fridge

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Anonymous wrote:

Welcome home, RangerOne
Beer’s in the fridge

Thanks, and cheers!

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Y_Participant 4591]

Ranger One wrote:

I have evolved an interest in having my own armory. (everything from Sub2000 folding carbines to an FNH Scar in .308) The only common ammo I don’t have a weapon for is .357mag/.38, and I will eventually get a Smith & Wesson Model 686 revolver for that. (the white gf has a couple of her own)

Welcome – you have an interesting take on MGTOW. PistolPete is a top guy and our local gunsmith. He’ll be interested in your collection I am sure.

Hope you drop the bitches cause they will turn on you one day. That’s how it is.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Y_ wrote:

Hope you drop the bitches cause they will turn on you one day. That’s how it is.

That’s one of the things I’ve wondered… how much do women change in that regards (turning on you) after they’ve hit the wall? (they are both 45+)

Also to what extent the Asian one is moderated by having lived as a teenager in East Asia? (I have noticed certain idiosyncrasies while dating which I googled and found are characteristic in her culture, so even after she moved here, she didn’t go all out Western feminist mode, hanging around mostly with other Vietnamese and marrying Vietnamese)

I know some Asian women “go native” when they come to America and are as bad as any Western women, but she doesn’t seem to be as heavily influenced. (she still watches Vietnamese language movies, etc)

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

Welcome Rangerone314… I like your approach and grasp on reality…Purple pill is better than Blue. Glad to hear you have an influence on your kids still.
And The S&W 686 is a nice weapon. I have a Black anodized light weight, 686 Hunting revolver with an 8 inch barrel. My best pistol. Can fire both .357 and .38 rounds. Fun and accurate..

Welcome..

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[Y_Participant 4591]

Ranger One wrote:

That’s one of the things I’ve wondered… how much do women change in that regards (turning on you) after they’ve hit the wall? (they are both 45+)

They follow their nature – young or old have s~~~ equally except old are more stealthy and will bleed you until they find a more suitable host.

Don’t be fooled by Asian bitches. They are not as vocal but I can tell you they may be even more dangerous.

AWALT. A live hand grenade stuck in your pants will give you a better chance.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Wow R314,

Your Bonifides are awesome!

We have many things in common and you have taken my favorites to amazing levels.

A man like you has created the “Agency” to do whatever he wants. During my Forties, I didn’t need any luck, because I could make it happen for myself.

It is good to read about your relationship with your sons and how they are on the MGTOW road.
The following link is something I posted last year about some advice I had for my son:

fatherly-advice-to-his-son-about-the-red-pill-documentary

Ranger One wrote:

……….Probably the only reason I can tolerate having two girlfriends beyond getting laid is having a few areas where the interests overlap, and being introduced to some new stuff that complements MY interests………

It was the same for me.
This is the case for a lot of Intelligent Dominant Masculine Men who have high SMV or “Game.”

Your fine Introduction motivates me to reach out and give some warnings about the road ahead.

But, I don’t have the words yet to describe the Potholes ahead. I can’t yet adequately explain why that road was a waste of time, how it caused some damage to my vehicle, and how the “fun” I had has adversely effected the quality of my life in the end.

In my replies and Posts in the Forums, there have been some attempts to describe the true nature of the “fun” that I had “enjoyed.”

Last week, I started a Post to discuss the addictive nature behind our Relationships with woman:

blue-pill-men-are-really-pheremone-addicts

In the Post about the advice for my son, I quote a MGTOW known as Tower. I recommend looking into his life which can be found in his posts in the “Forums” tab within his Profile page. It is next to the “About” & “Messages” tabs. He shares a lot in common with you and me.

Tower has introduced many interesting ideas and descriptions about the consequences of RelationS~~~S in some replies buried within the forums. His analogy about a man’s Soul being like “A Roll of Toilet Paper” in RelationS~~~S is relevant here.

On a positive note, there is a different road which is rarely traveled these days, even here on MGTOW. I have been fortunate to have personally known a Natural Born MGTOW. He has been that way his whole life. In some of my replies within the Forums, I have written about him and identified him as my Mentor Dave.

Lately, I have posted that men like Dave are the real “Unicorns.” I have often described how wonderful he is as a man and how magical his life has been.

Alas, the tales of Dave are buried in my replies within the Forums. In time, I hope to make a Post that discusses the qualities and characteristics of Natural Born MGTOWs.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Welcome
Your only hope of them not finding out about each other is to get rid of one. Otherwise it will happen sooner or later. If they do best case is anger and a break up. Worst case is two rape charges that support each others claim. Walking the knife’s edge, but you seem to be aware of it. Good luck.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ranger One wrote:

have specified that I will never sign a marriage “contract” again

^^ this guy is a pro already and has clearly done his homework.

• Makes a point of appending the “contract” on to “marriage”.
• “EWALT”
• Briffault’s Law

A BIG welcome to you @rangerone314
You are MGHOW of the day on our homepage.

Salutations.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

I wouldn’t say that relationships with women – even long-term – are necessarily contrary to MGTOW. There can be positive elements, as you have enumerated. Nevertheless, I would still council caution. A woman doesn’t have to get pregnant to ruin your life, she just has to claim rape or abuse, so for the love of God man be so so so careful, because you are guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

I wouldn’t say that relationships with women – even long-term – are necessarily contrary to MGTOW. There can be positive elements, as you have enumerated. Nevertheless, I would still council caution. A woman doesn’t have to get pregnant to ruin your life, she just has to claim rape or abuse, so for the love of God man be so so so careful, because you are guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent.

Yeah, I know, right. That’s why I never delete any of my text messages from either of them, as is of course why I always make sure my phone is locked so they can’t see the texts from the other.

The funny thing is, by weird coincidence they have the same first name, so on my living room whiteboard I wrote “I love ***their first name***”. Neither would suspect another girl has same name.

One finally wrote a response under that, which of course the other would be able to see (my son pointed that out to me) so I erased both messages and simply put a big heart with my name PLUS their name and arrow through it.

Since I have no actual emotions for women anymore, I created a spreadsheet with about 30 rows to try an evaluate one against the other, numerically. Oddly enough, its still a wash, which one to choose.

Scheduling is a mite tricky. One though tends to be busy on Friday and the other can come down on a Friday, so I had the one girl sleep over Friday night, then she left after a hike with me in the afternoon, and the other girl came over two hours later and slept over Saturday night.

I know of a movie theater where movie tickets are only $4.50 so if the local girl indicated she might come by, I’d simply leave with the other girl (in her car). So far haven’t had to do that.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

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