New to MGTOW today

[GeraldParticipant 3642]

Hello MGTOW forum members; am new to this site today and am beginning to look around. Am a mid-40’s professional with multiple degrees, multiple jobs and multiple debts. Married, one adopted daughter, and fed up. Blue pill like crazy most of my adult life. Am working to improve both my mental state and my life, and have found MGTOW through Rollo’s world. I picked up Rollo’s book a few months ago, have been trolling his site, have bounced around a bit trying to find some topics and things that work for me…

Present plan of attack is to improve myself, my finances and then decide where to go… there is a long backstory I won’t bother with yet, until I determine where to put it in the forums, if anyone is interested, but know I’ve been Beta/Blue Pill my whole life and am looking to make a change, and this is part of that starting. Glad to be here and I plan to add value where I can, but learn and sponge as much knowledge as I can out of this site… any advice for getting started on that is appreciated!

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[Anonymous 42]

Tired of fighting the magnetic opposite polarity of modern narcissistic women? The women that serve no nutritious purpose for your happiness, sanity, security, and health?

Welcome to the world’s leading red pill manufacturer, welcome to MGTOW, sounds like you have a little Mumford O’Crowley going on in your life…

[logicalmayhemParticipant 15]

Welcome brother!
/Brohug
Great to see that you have found the truth, im sorry to hear that it took you so long.

I have been heavily into the youtube community for a while now, if your looking for anything particular or have any questions hit me up 🙂

[TuneoutParticipant]

welcome and better late than never to see the light!

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[NeroParticipant 1466]

Welcome!! I suggest starting with reading the Marriage/Divorce forum and Introduction forum ad nauseum. Enjoy!

[HitmanParticipant]

Welcome!
Glad you made it here. .
Many men don’t.
Enjoy the site !
This is where sanity is found.

[SubtilitasParticipant 101]

Hello and welcome to MGTOW! I am pretty new to the site as well, but I would advice you to start off reading the Dating and the Introduction forum, too, as Nero has suggested.

You will enjoy that this community of individual men going their own way is so refreshingly unideological. It is not a male counterpart of feminism at all, it is men talking about their experiences with women and a gynocentric society and they are helping each other, motivating each other. MGTOW are not fighting, and when they react to what they are going away from, they use reason. Such is my impression. And I’d like to quote a guy analogously who replied to my introduction: “A man is a man” – doesn’t matter if he’s straight, gay, bi, black, white, asian, christian, jewish… a man is a man. That guy probably doesn’t even know how much that simple sentence has helped me already. Nobody has ever said that to me. A man is a man and it’s f~~~ing awesome.

All the best for you and, of course, enjoy! 🙂

[GeraldParticipant 3642]

Thanks all for the warm welcome. I’ll read along through the marriage forum as suggested and lurk around, possibly tomorrow evening write out my experience/story so you all know some more background on me, and can give me suggestions on where to go from there… my goal is to build some confidence and work to bring things to a much better place of where I stand firm and strong, rather than caving, both personally and professionally. The recent struggles and fight have failed me, so I’m looking to improve on many fronts… thanks again for the warm welcome, I’m looking forward to seeing the light!

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings Gerald,

Congratulations on finding MGTOW and posting your Introduction.

logicalmayhem wrote:

im sorry to hear that it took you so long.

Yes, there will be some damage, with lots of maintenance ahead.

And there is still a “ball and chain” to remove.

But, from my point of view, you still have some good miles left.

When you become totally free, you will have a great life on the open MGTOW road ahead.

Gerald wrote:

there is a long backstory I won’t bother with yet, until I determine where to put it in the forums, if anyone is interested

When you are ready, your back story and experience can be added here in your Introduction by adding a reply.

I would enjoy reading your story and how you got to MGTOW.

Sharing how you started out, your choices, and their consequences would be a great help to other men and corroboration to those of us who have been down the same road.

Gerald wrote:

Married, one adopted daughter, and fed up.

That is a tough “plantation” to break out of.
All of the men with daughters that I know are always broke and forced to work lousy jobs.

Nevertheless, it is a good opportunity to learn the details of how women manipulate men and observe how we allow it to happen. Here are some examples of what helped me with this:

An older book that helped me twenty years ago, which I still find useful, is called “The Manipulated Man.” It has numerous methods with examples and details of how women exploit men. It is written by a woman named Esther Vilar who was viscously attacked by Feminists and was forced to flee the USA.

Last winter, I enjoyed watching an instructive YouTube post by a psychologist who discusses the methods of manipulation used by a woman after she was caught by the police on video trying to have her husband murdered. This psychologist is a woman who is actively critical of Feminism, her YouTube page is called “Feminism LOL.”

Now I am enjoying the YouTube posts of a
German MGTOW. His YouTube home page is called “Red Pill Germany.”

There is better material written by men that is discussed in the forums and posted in the Archives.

Gerald wrote:

any advice for getting started on that is appreciated!

If “Gerald Hayne” is your real name, then you should consider changing it to a more anonymous and stealthy one. Besides protecting yourself, your anonymity will allow for more details/ strategies to be discussed on your road to freedom.

I recommend reading the posts of a MGTOW who now calls himself “Went Camping,” especially for your situation. Last year, he was using the name Stealthy MGTOW.

Yes, you can change your name/ Avatar on MGTOW.

Anyway, He wrote some wonderful posts about what life was like behind enemy lines and his “MGTOW Road.”

His insights are outstanding!

And he explains numerous sensible methods for gaining a man’s freedom while he remains trapped inside the “plantation.”

Anonymous wrote:

Tired of fighting the magnetic opposite polarity of modern narcissistic women? The women that serve no nutritious purpose for your happiness, sanity, security, and health?

Tower has a way of making me laugh while I am facing down some wretched truths.

The steps to freedom and healing happens after you understand these truths that tower presents.

Tower’s posts are among my favorites and I also recommend reading all of them. He has the heart and soul of a free man.

One of the obstacles that occur after a man is freed from “The Plantation” is that he too often lands back into another situation, because he was chasing “Unicorns.”

Tower wrote some great posts exposing these “Unicorns” as actually being filthy mules with a strap on.

He created some great concepts about understanding the situation for single men who still want to be involved with women which also applies to men involved in extramarital affairs:

Looking to find a decent women is like playing around with “a bag of hand grenades” hoping to find the one that will not blow up.

The negative effects on a man’s soul after he is involved with a woman.

Tower’s story about the Soul as a toilet paper role and women taking a s~~~ is hilarious.

Gerald wrote:

my goal is to build some confidence and work to bring things to a much better place of where I stand firm and strong, rather than caving, both personally and professionally.

Removing Blue and Purple Pill indoctrination is like peeling layers off of an onion. It takes time to unlearn bad habits and to understand how to live as a free man.

Brother, it is an honor and privilege to walk with you down your MGTOW road.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Welcome, brother!

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Welcome, man.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[GeraldParticipant 3642]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

Gerald wrote:

there is a long backstory I won’t bother with yet, until I determine where to put it in the forums, if anyone is interested

When you are ready, your back story and experience can be added here in your Introduction by adding a reply.

I would enjoy reading your story and how you got to MGTOW.

Sharing how you started out, your choices, and their consequences would be a great help to other men and corroboration to those of us who have been down the same road.

I have posted the backstory, at least the framework of it, under the Marriage and Divorce thread, and am happy to delve into more details. I wrote that version in about 20 minutes and was really torn doing it, both from a perspective of what to include and what to leave out, and from the feelings of ‘man did I f~~~ up right there’ while writing it. Hindsight is 20/20 and I learned a bit just reliving it… lots to recover from, going back as far as young childhood. Knowing how many of these situations affected me is a start… but it is a long slog ahead. One I have to make, but again I thank you all for the welcome, the comments and I hope to be a decent contributor here to help others avoid the pitfalls I have lived through, and come out the other side as MGTOW.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[GeraldParticipant 3642]

Oh an BTW… Gerald Hayne is an Alias… I am using anonymous mail address and name on this site, and will be changing the one I didn’t to it as soon as possible.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Welcome, Gerald. We are all glad to see another man who has seen the light!

Esther Vilar’s book saved me so that recommendation to read it is very good. A similar book by a Nigerian author in England is The Anatomy of Female Power. Both are online at:

Esther Vilar
The Manipulated Man
https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf

Chinweizu
The Anatomy of Female Power
http://therawness.com/AFP.pdf

You will find the members here are very experienced and sharing information is invaluable. I have only been on site for a few months, and despite being over 70 years old, I have learned a lot of explanations for the female behavior I had experienced or seen in the past. Prior to MGTOW, you had to have been lucky to have had any married men really warn you about the perils of marriage. Now the married and divorced men are finally getting to tell their stories here. So listen to them. They will keep you out of trouble.

[Mr_OptionsParticipant 298]

Welcome brother. Take it slow and plan out your escape. Get strong again for you. This site will help.

A man without a woman is like a fish without a hook.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Gerald, welcome. I read your intro moments after you made its, and regret a formal welcome is long overdue. Enjoyed the read and so glad to see other guys step in like this.

Gerald wrote:

Am a mid-40’s professional with multiple degrees, multiple jobs and multiple debts. Married, one adopted daughter, and fed up. Blue pill like crazy most of my adult life.

I’ve heard it said it takes a man 1/2 a lifetime to deprogram himself. One day I paid to fly to visit family on my well earned vacation – which I would rather have spent elsewhere – and my Mom tried to tell me I cook with the “wrong” pan, and dry my hands with the “wrong” towel.

The s~~~ always went in one ear and out the other, but this time I just spun around and said “Oh shut up for Christ’s sake. My hands are DRY aren’t they? Then it’s not the wrong towel. Don’t be ridiculous.”

It just came out naturally and she never did it again. I wish I did it decades sooner. But it never bothered me before. Now, I can’t even f~~~ing listen to female nagging for one minute. Like you I was finally fed up.

That’s what it has to come to and that can take a while.

Gerald wrote:

until I determine where to put it in the forums

Share it anywhere that feels right. We’re not your wife, and won’t rag on you for leaving a towel on the floor. How awesome is that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 0]

A virtual warm and hearty hand-shake to you mate. My advice to you is read, think, read, think, read read read. Then sit back and think some more.
At the same time, look and see. Imagine your eyeb~~~~ have been replaced because the awakening from blue pill is like a fish waking up to what the f~~~ water is.

[GeraldParticipant 3642]

So a short update, have finished The Manipulated Man and a couple of others, and found it engaging and enlightening. Good stuff there. Want to buy 100 copies and start handing them out (if I could afford it). Anyway, thanks for the book advice, was looking for who recommended one other, but I think that is over in my intro piece, will look for it there. Am glad I found this place.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[SwimcatParticipant 3600]

I’m gonna take a different position here. Gerald, take a deep breath and a long hard look before you make the decision to divorce. If you think you’re hard pressed for money now, remember that after divorce a income hard pressed to support one household has to support two. Get hard information and numbers on the following.

1. What will be the legal costs. Consult a lawyer beforehand.
2. How much will child support be and how long will you have to pay.
3. What tax are the ramifications. Insurance ramifiactions.
4. How will your daughter react to this. What are the long term emotional effects for her.
5. How much will it cost just to keep a roof over your head.
6. How will your family react to it.
7. How much of your retirement are you going to lose. Again look at the long term.
Remember what the lawyer played by Danny Divito said in the movie ” The War of the Roses” ‘ There is no winning. There is only degrees of losing.” If you were childless, I’d say go ahead and go and don’t look back. But you’re not childless and that gives her a big advantage in court. You might thinking you’re gaining your freedom, when in fact you are bringing the courts and the law into your bank account and personal life. In other words the chains you think you’re throwing off are only going to be that much tighter. I’m widowed now but I was married for 40 years. It can be done. So be careful, take your time, and don’t make emotional decisions.

[GeraldParticipant 3642]

Thanks for the reply, am going to put some answers in your quote below (If I can figure out how)

Swimcat wrote:

1. What will be the legal costs. Consult a lawyer beforehand. Yes, need to do this, difficult to do until I get some capital saved to pay for it
2. How much will child support be and how long will you have to pay. Child will be an adult within a year, that is why the timing for the plan
3. What tax are the ramifications. Insurance ramifiactions.Taxes, that is a good point. Insurance will be able to continue as it is
4. How will your daughter react to this. What are the long term emotional effects for her. She is actually recommending it
5. How much will it cost just to keep a roof over your head. Roughly $7800 to $12k per year, is part of the plan
6. How will your family react to it.Family could care less as long as I answer when they call, they have never bought into it from the start
7. How much of your retirement are you going to lose. Again look at the long term. This has to be calculated but I don’t have a ton so far, 1/2 won’t drastically change my outlook on retirement, as I don’t ever expect to retire until I buy some rental properties and build them out. And am not doing that if I have to split them.

‘ There is no winning. There is only degrees of losing.”

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