New to MGTOW? Drifting In and Out? Here's How To Be Sure.

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    Hello gentlemen, apologies in advance for the long post.

    If you are anything like me, the acceptance of, and transition to, MGTOW and red pill philosophy has been at best jarring and, at worst, devastating. Having to accept that everything you know, everything you believe and everything you dreamed about society in relation to love, relationships, women and the people around you is wrong is a horrible thing to have to do and, if you’re anything like me you will, at the same time, believe in MGTOW, but also come up with conscious and subconscious defense mechanisms that you will cause you to deny how things really are and/or regress back to a blue pill way of thinking. I know because the exact same thing happened to me, I have been drifting from MGTOW to blue pill for months now, forcing myself to go back to my old lines of thinking so that I don’t have to accept the truth. Fortunately, there is always something I see, read or experience that brings me back to MGTOW and this time I aim to stay with it for good. So I am making this post, partially as reminder for myself but mostly for any of those new to MGTOW who may need help seeing the light, or believing the red pill truths. To all reading, please add any other tips that you may have to the discussion.

    Engage with MGTOW
    One of the most important things in life, not just in relation to MGTOW but almost everything you do is knowledge. Knowing as much as possible is the first steps toward understanding, and ultimately mastering something. This very much applies to MGTOW. Consume as much information as you can about it, about the nature of the red pill and blue pill world, about interacting with women and most important of all in my opinion, being your own man. I wont saddle you with a whole load of information sources at once but I will give you some of my main starting points that really helped me:
    MGTOW.com (obviously :D)

    Youtube: There are some great MGTOW guys on there, I’m not here to market anyone but I listen to Luis Marco (https://www.youtube.com/user/askluimarco/videos) and Sandman(https://www.youtube.com/user/SandmanMGTOW/videos) daily. I don’t always agree with them 100% but they do offer some genuinely good insights and advice and I have learned a lot from them. There are a lot more on there however, and I’d advise you look for people on there who you enjoy and you can respect.

    Familrise yourself with Briffauts Law: This was one of the first things I learned when first looking at MGTOW, and something that has always stuck with me. Rather that try to describe it myself I’ll link you to what I believe to be the best description of it I have heard:
    /video/briffaults-law/

    Read the news
    The news is a good source of blue pill propaganda and while it never outwardly says “WE SHOULD HATE MEN, WOMEN RULE!” it does, on almost a daily basis, serve up some fluff peice about how men need to take responsibility for women, how women are victims, how women are oppressed or how society needs to adapt to benefit women. Note that there are numerous of these articles, but men are rarely, if ever discussed because, put bluntly, in societies eyes, if you are a man, you are irrelevant. Read the news everyday if you can, it serves as a constant reminder of the gynocentric nature of our society.

    In fact, I’ll go to a popular and relatively respected newspaper here in the UK; The Guardian and see what it has to say for itself…and boom, two ‘womens’ rights articles on the front page alone. Retrieved 23/02/2015.

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2015/feb/23/sexist-assumptions-young-children-gender-stereotypes

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/23/vote-criminalise-gender-selection-abortion-disaster-women
    Observe a relationship
    Now it will be the same with most types of relationships, be it friend, family, professional or romantic but if you can, try to spend a few hours observing a romantic couple, friend and his wife, parents, sibling and in-law and see how the relationship is. Growing up, I thought a romantic relationship is a partnership, in which two people who have bonded and want to spend a life together, working to make each other happy but as I grew up and my eyes opened a bit, I could see something was not right and once I found MGTOW I could see clearly what that was. Women will treat you like s~~~ when you get in to a relationship with them. It will be all fun and games during the “Hey, lets f~~~ and have fun all the time” phase but after that, when you become ‘comfortable’ with each other, it is only downhill from there. So, go spend sometime hanging out with a few couples, I wont tell you exactly what to look for, as to not bias your observations but look at how the couple, mainly the woman, but it’s important to see the man as well( that could be you!) interact with each other; dollars to doughnuts that an overarching theme will be submission on the part of the man and complete disrespect on the part of the woman. See how the man is treated, how he is expected to treat the woman and ask yourself three questions: 1) what is happening. 2) Is this ok? 3) Do I want this to be me?  The examples you see will not be isolated incidents guys, this is what is normal, this is what is expected of you.
    If you are already in a relationship, then read this: https://dontmarry.wordpress.com/

    Self Assess
    So now you have knowledge of MGTOW, you’re eyes have been opened to the gynocentric society we live in an you have seen real life examples of it in other people you can sit and think about the examples that you yourself have experienced in your life. I meditate daily and at least one day a weeks meditation is devoted to this and it really helps to put things in perspective. Next time you have the opportunity, take 20 minutes to half an hour to just sit/stand/lay in silence and think of all the instances that red pill/blue pill has been observable in your life. It can be as devistating as getting screwed over in a divorce or as mundane has being expected to pay at dinner, just think back and reflect. Examples that I have observed during my thinking include: Going to university because society expects it from me, letting myself get used in a relationship when I was 19 because I thought she loved me back and I thought spending all my time/effort/money on her was a fair norm, being told over and over again that I ‘had to be a good man to women’ and spending literally thousands over pounds during university and my later teenage years on booze and nightclubs because that was the ‘done thing’. Imagine, imagine how much better you life would be if things like this did not control your life, it is a truly exciting prospect, but once you feel that excitement, the desire to live like this will take over, which lives one last step…

    Experience
    To most important thing that you can do to be sure that MGTOW is truth, that the blue pill and red pill worlds exists and that becoming a man going his own way is the best thing that you will ever do for yourself is to experience it. Go out in to the world and be a man going his own way and see how good it makes you feel, see the good that comes in to your life and experience the freedom of being your own man. MGTOW isn’t just a counter culture to gynocentrism and an anti-male society it is about freedom. A freedom to be not only independent from venomous women, from the expectations of marriage and children or the idea that you should be a ‘real man’. It gives you the confidence to be who you want to be, do what you want to do and to break free from the oppressive shackles of indoctrination and societal expectation. It’s up to us as individuals, as men, to decide what being a man means to each of us and to me, the thought of going on this journey of exploration and discovery, combined with new found freedom to be the person I want to be is much more exhilarating than any fleeting romance, anyone night stand or any pat on the head from a broken society. If you are here asking “Should I be a man going his own way?” there is only one answer, an answer that after months of searching I can give more sincerely, more enthusiastically and more confidentially than any answer I have ever given “Brother, yes.”

    Now I realise this is a really long post and, at the risk of sounding pretentious I’d like to share with you a poem that I have always loved, it’s pretty well known but it I think it is so applicable here. With so much talking of being a real man and being able to define our own ideals of ‘manhood’ I feel this is a good as start to any. I’d just like to take this opportunity to say thanks for reading, and thanks to MGTOW, it didn’t just change my life; it saved it.

    http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/175772

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    Mann Fuga
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    Marriage for men has always been slavery. Society shamed men into providing for and protecting women and her children. In days past, a man that didn’t have a wife had difficulty finding employment and one that didn’t provide for a woman’s children was deemed defective. Men were also sent to war to fight and die for their rights – rights that were given to women without any cost. Men that didn’t go to war were branded cowards – by both men and women. These things are still somewhat true today, but more and more, men are standing up to this misandry and male disposability. Marriage, for all intensive purposes, has always been about the exchange of sex by women for provision and protection by men. To a large extent, society still enforces these roles.

    In the past 40+ years, tens upon tens of millions of men have been destroyed through marriage. As a result, hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of those men have committed suicide. This is the real reason for the decline in marriage.

    Feminism inadvertently freed men from their traditional male roles. Now, men aren’t forced to provide for and protect women. As more and more women enter the military – fewer and fewer men’s lives will have to be sacrificed for women’s rights. Women cast off their traditional roles and now men have done the same.

    Because of the above, we are moving toward a more equal society in which one gender isn’t forced to sacrifice themselves for the other. To continue this trend, white knights and chivalrous men must be removed from the male ranks. These are the men that will gladly throw other men under the bus to gain favor with the gynocracy. These men are relics of dark days past (for men) and need to be called out and removed from any gender equalized society.

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