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Hello. I’m new here.
I caught word of MGTOW from another forum I’m on through a PM.
I figured I’d poke my head around a bit, it seems interesting enough to me.
Also inspirational for me a bit since much of my life has been sort of trainwrecked by my previous relationships here and there.Long story short, I’m not that bad off. My intelligence has helped covered my ass. A metric f~~~ton at that. So far, I’m a 28 year old male, no children, no marriage or divorce, and even though I’m from below the poverty line I’ve managed to make myself successful, and rode the success back down again. In two years when I turn thirty and if I’m still this well off in life despite my financial struggles I’ll publicly celebrate this newly-found sort of weird independence of a structure I’ve come up with.
I’ve been single for about 5 years now. Before that I was in a fairly successful relationship however it was a successful relationship that didn’t really reflect me well as a man, person, and individual. Explaining this sort of simply: I’m rather…socially withdrawn. Misanthropic, I guess you could call it. I typically spend most of my time with my books, ebooks, pets, or working on my next project of creativity when I’m not working.
I’m an artist and philosopher at heart. In other words, I’m all mental.
And, as I get older I’m progressively less and less emotionally attached to the relativity of much of anything. Even my materialism is such limited. I have chosen this way of life for myself in a personal stance since in the last 6 years or so of my life I’ve become a very profoundly spiritual person and so much of my life is spent in relation to that.Most people, study other people. Or their significant others, or finances, government, these like matters. I…study myself, probably more than anything else. I’ve learned to stretch my comfort zones and grow, I’ve learned to work better under pressure than I used to (though I still hate doing it) and most importantly I’ve learned that come Hell or high water if I want to make something happen for myself I damn sure will. I’m a very motivated man, but I am indeed a thinker, first and foremost.
So why join up here??
Most of my friends are women. In part because it’s quite typical that I get along with them a little easier conversationally due to interests sort of usually being that way. When I was much younger I was ferociously competitive, until about 15, when I started developing an interest more in the worlds of the arts and philosophy. I’ve sort of developed an awkward indirect approach to confrontation which has actually been significantly more efficient for me. I do a lot of what I call undercuts, in my life. Particularly with people at some point or another since I rarely go out much anymore and I’m not that much of a social person.MGTOW seems to have a collection of educated men to it, and perhaps that’s part of the problem I’ve exhibited. My approach to confrontation has gone from the primitive stance of locking horns with whoever in a fight to establish dominance, to a more…well, let’s just say I’m the guy in the bushes with the rifle, waiting for other bucks to lock up so that I can go home with twice the meat to eat instead. I have a hunters mentality, a survivors mentality. This place, seems rather intriguing to me. It’ll be nice to further my education and tactical advancement from the collection of thoughts.
I pride myself on this approach to things, actually. Because I did not reach it from the idea of running from something. Actually, I scaled a f~~~ing mountain to come to this amoral collapse of non-dichotomy centered within dichotomous definitions.
I have no interest in reproduction, or legal marriage of any kind. Although being this Free (for a lack of a better way of putting it, because to me this is one aspect of the definition of Freedom) has made it progressively more and more difficult for me to relate to people, or for people to really relate to me because most people approaching their thirties are settled down, or about to settle down in life.
While I definitely feel the downshift of my physicality (happened to me about 2 years ago) I feel like my motivation has sort of, diminished. For one thing I’m not nearly as aggressive as I used to be since my emotions no longer dictate too much of what I do.
So if I was successful financially as well, why’d I let it go??
Well, money isn’t everything. This is indeed a very true statement. I won’t get into numbers but to put it simply I had enough money that I took a demotion at a job, and comfortable rode down half of my savings over the following year at the cost of overhead per month….the other half of my savings, I’d dropped into music equipment the year before since I was in a touring band at the time and to the artist, there’s nothing more valuable than art. But it goes beyond that, really. I honestly wasn’t happy. Though, I suppose working 60 – 75 hours a week in 33C weather, coming home and taking care of pet and home responsibilities and not really having any energy probably no one would be happy. And so, I wasn’t.That all aside, I also suffer from clinical depression and I am unmediated. However, that’s actually been more of a help to me than whatever pills they would have given me anyway. I say that because I have learned how to shift my own mind around even when I am not particularly willing to. My ailments, mental, and also my physical ailments (I was born with a heart condition) have actually limned me to learning how to adapt better, and better.
I lacked any sort of masculine upbringing really, which slanted me a lot. Also I hated education until probably my freshmen year of college. Which, I would actually go back to college were I not already so content with the simplicity of a more mundane and minimalistic lifestyle to mundane aspects of life.
Anyway, enough of this. I’m gonna go poking my head around on the forums here. Just wanted to drop the line that I’ll be floating around here a bit to educate myself more and also to help educate wherever I can.
"Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end." - Aleister Crowley, Hymn to Lucifer
Great intro. You’re a complicated little f~~~er aren’t you?
Just bustin’ your chops. Welcome, poke away, and I’ll be interested to see your contribution to the message boards.
Order the good wine
Welcome. About 1/2 way through your intro I was wondering what kind of strong masculine influence in your life growing up and then near the end you say you lacked a masculine upbringing. If you would like, could you elaborate a bit on that. I dont wish to pry into your private business but I am curious about this.
"Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is a man in the strict sense of the word. Consider how a young girl will toy day after day with a child, dance with it and sing to it; and then consider what a man, with the very best intentions in the world, could do in her place.” Quote from Arthur Shopenhauer, 17th century philosopher
Great intro. You’re a complicated little f~~~er aren’t you?
After reading his convoluted introduction.. I agree,
Welcome Leitnain
You must own a better Crystal ball than IWelcome Leitnain.
Great intro. You’re a complicated little f~~~er aren’t you?
I am also looking forward to what you will write and contribute. Peace man.
Anonymous6Welcome brother.
Welcome. About 1/2 way through your intro I was wondering what kind of strong masculine influence in your life growing up and then near the end you say you lacked a masculine upbringing. If you would like, could you elaborate a bit on that. I dont wish to pry into your private business but I am curious about this.
My father is a half blind chemically dependent alcoholic who used to be an auto-mechanic. My mother is also disabled due to spinal injury from an accident.
My grandparents mostly raised me. Or rather, vocationally raised me and that was about as far as it went. I suppose that explains my social awkwardness and general disdain for the perceived objective reality of others.Great intro. You’re a complicated little f~~~er aren’t you?
Just bustin’ your chops. Welcome, poke away, and I’ll be interested to see your contribution to the message boards.
All in fun fairness. I write usually from a stream of consciousness. But yes, I favor complexities. It keeps me entertained from the otherwise boring aspects of a more mundane existence.
"Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end." - Aleister Crowley, Hymn to Lucifer
Leitnain,
Thanks for sharing that info about your family. I am sorry for your parents condition. Wish you the best on this site and your life.
BIB"Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is a man in the strict sense of the word. Consider how a young girl will toy day after day with a child, dance with it and sing to it; and then consider what a man, with the very best intentions in the world, could do in her place.” Quote from Arthur Shopenhauer, 17th century philosopher
Can you say c~~~? Is a woman ever a c~~~?
You don’t seem to have had any bad experiences with women, perfect gal just you were too shy/introverted. All on you, nothing on her? Interesting.
You sound like a very lucky man in this regard.TaxGuy wrote:
Great intro. You’re a complicated little f~~~er aren’t you?
Just bustin’ your chops. Welcome, poke away, and I’ll be interested to see your contribution to the message boards.All in fun fairness. I write usually from a stream of consciousness. But yes, I favor complexities. It keeps me entertained from the otherwise boring aspects of a more mundane existence.
I actually meant it as a compliment to your eloquent writing style. Throwing something vulgar next to it, for the stark contrast.
Order the good wine
Can you say c~~~? Is a woman ever a c~~~?
You don’t seem to have had any bad experiences with women, perfect gal just you were too shy/introverted. All on you, nothing on her? Interesting.
You sound like a very lucky man in this regard.Is it “Game On” RPR?
Jurys out with me so far.
It's Time to get Wise
Can you say c~~~? Is a woman ever a c~~~?
You don’t seem to have had any bad experiences with women, perfect gal just you were too shy/introverted. All on you, nothing on her? Interesting.
You sound like a very lucky man in this regard.Is it “Game On” RPR?
Jurys out with me so far.
Lol. Just curious.
Whenever a poster comes and has nothing negative about women or their experience with women it usually ends poorly as far as their being on the board and their contributions.
Tough to hear he had the perfect relationship but blew it because of his introverted nature. Totally unfair to the wonderful woman that he is part of the 50% of the population that are introverted.I would like to know how it feels about women being called c~~~s. Maybe see is it can say it about a woman.
Welcome
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
Anonymous0Welcome to the board. We are all types here: young, old, black, white, gay, straight. I’m sure you’ll find a place.
Anonymous0Can you say c~~~? Is a woman ever a c~~~?
You don’t seem to have had any bad experiences with women, perfect gal just you were too shy/introverted. All on you, nothing on her? Interesting.
You sound like a very lucky man in this regard.Is it “Game On” RPR?
Jurys out with me so far.
Me too.????
Doesn’t sound rightwomen friends?
no bueno.
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i want the op to type the word C~~~ and highlight it.
in caps.
like this..
C~~~
.
.
fishy..C~~~
I prefer more subversive methods, than direct approaches. The best way to wreck a system is from inside it. All I did, was put the noose back around her neck when she wasn’t looking and calmly walk off while she followed me. 5 years later and she’ll still message me asking for me back. I have no interest in going back to that. That relationship would’ve ruined me, had I not been so hellbent on my insatiable thirst for knowledge. You have to approach things from a practical standpoint when making large decisions. So knowing how to choose your words carefully, and keep a forked silver tongue behind your teeth until it’s most beneficial to you are indeed actually developmental useful life skills. Much can be said about the wisdom of knowing when and how and where to pick and choose your battles. It gives you a better tactical advantage. A lot of how you talk to people effects their perception of you. Either you can make their opposition into your advantage, or you can waste a perfectly good opportunity over some harbored emotional spectrum of yourself.
Consequently enough this was also how I came into a five-figure savings with no debt. I discovered that it also works on men, odd as that is. Actually, really all it is, and all that I do is ego exploitation. You bring me your objective reality and hidden agenda with an ego, and I hang you by your own ego and reap the rewards of no longer having to really deal with you. That company also now no longer exists per my exit in management. I spent about 9 months training a guy to do everything I was doing. I still had more than enough so I wasn’t really financially concerned. Besides, he was the guy best suited for the job and I was planning on moving on with my life at that point anyway. About 4 months after I moved I got a call through the grapevine of that business explaining to me that they no longer exist.
I’m a methodical person, is what it is really. If there’s anything I’ve learned about our social structure it’s that there’s too much head-on collision going absolutely nowhere making absolutely no difference whatsoever. So I just chose to think, less within the parameters of the social status quo and what is expected of me.
All human action and reaction is based on one of two things: Aspiration, or Fear. And if people can figure out what your aspirations and motivations are, or what you’re afraid of, then they can twist and turn you like a little wind-up toy. Women know this better than anyone else, I believe. I think one of the most glorifying moments as a man is when you learn to master this yourself to a point to where you put the axis of it back into your position. Because, they don’t expect an indirection to their indirection to yet another par meeting of indirection. They get lost on the second turn-around. And if a metric f~~~ton of priorities are flying around in the world of business and you can pull this over on your technical superior well enough they’ll get lost in it too. Out of sight, out of mind.
Why fight with a woman, when you can just win with one instead?? Why fight any fight, when you can just win instead?? True, there are those that love the hunt. I do indeed understand that. It’s a very sacred primal aspect. I just prefer results. In fact if we’re going on the topic of objective-based the result is all that really matters and patience and calculation is worth their merit but you obviously, can’t wait around with your dick in your hand f~~~ing forever. And, well women are particularly good at trying to string us along. A large part of it is within first encounters and how you present your character. I’ve just made it to where I don’t need to establish dominance because that’s already initially established. And in the event that it isn’t, well I could try arguing about it like a primate…or, I could just find a different woman more worth my time??
When s~~~ hits the fan, let it. B~~~~ up, don’t bitch, and just let s~~~ get f~~~ed for a while. But be mindful of your necessities when doing so. Now, when suddenly the fan finally stops working, then you take your necessities and point blank replace the fan entirely.
Some men own dogs for pets.
Some men own cats for pets.
I own a 12 foot long boa constrictor. Because it suits me better.
Plus maintenance cost is cheaper.Sorry I disappeared for a bit, had to go to work. Now, to a few jack and cokes, and if I can get my shoulder to stop hurting I’m feeling slightly artistically inspired. I think honestly in part due to even these interactions. This is turning out to be a positive experience already.
As for my current interactions with women, I just kicked a slag outta my life. Essentially for being entirely too f~~~ing crazy for me. And that’s saying a long considering I have a necklace with a human finger bone on it and a human spinal column I got from an over-flooded cemetery in a below-sea-level town. If I’m gonna make stupid decisions, I’d rather not be the front page cover of “I’m sitting here all f~~~ed up and f~~~ed because of a woman and I couldn’t figure my s~~~ out after.”
"Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end." - Aleister Crowley, Hymn to Lucifer
C~~~
welcome.
stand your ground now and hold fast.
steady wind’s been tearing at the sails.
you can be here now.
glad you found us.
if your not a man,
we will know.
i plus 1’nd ya for that C~~~ you wrote.
still slightly suspicious……
i’ll leave it to the other guy’s.
.
plz don’t write a book here man..
less is more sometimes..
like now.Thanks for answering my question. good to see you can type/say c~~~. Sounds like you have a few stories about c~~~s as well.
Welcome
Welcome Lietnaim. Lots of knowledge and experiences to be found here.
Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.
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