New Economic Threats to MGTOW

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

I would like for us to discuss new potential threats in the economic realm that might affect MGTOW for better or worse.

I came across this article on ITAR TASS and found it intriguing.

http://tass.ru/en/opinions/792025

Of late, there has emerged an idea that all Russians who shirk employment for more than six months in a row at a time when suitable employment opportunities are available to them should face punishment with correctional work for a period of twelve months. The legislative assembly of St. Petersburg is going to submit to the State Duma relevant amendments to federal laws in the near future. Making willful joblessness a criminal offence will require amendments to the Constitution stating that employment is not just a right, but also a duty of each citizen. It is proposed that the measure will not apply to citizens under 18 years of age, people with disabilities, pregnant women, women with children under 14 years of age, clergy and a number of other groups.

Early this month, on April 2, the president of Russia’s near neighbour Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, signed a decree on the prevention of social parasitism. All those not taking part in financing government spending for more than six months are obliged to pay a special fee of 3.6 million Belarussian roubles (a little more than 12,000 Russian roubles or $240).

The informal sector or grey market is the backbone of the Level 3 – 4 MGTOW. We forego economic engagement so as to not bankroll a regime that actively opposes our interests. However, being compelled to generate a minimum sum for the regime, either through employment, “special fee“, or forced labour, is very much a risk to this.

Recall that it costs money to have even a low level job as payments for the silly business suits, transportation, housing proximal to said job, and other ancillary expenses. In many cases, the after-tax income is insufficient to cover said costs so one becomes burdened with debt and thus compelled to work even more in a fruitless attempt to pay it off.

Another matter is housing. Rental contracts are typically for one year, but afterwards, one must give thirty days’ notice. This means that at any point one gives notice, one is liable for at least one more rent payment. This is powerful psychologically as one is compelled to find money for the landlord or one will be punished even more severely by late fees, court fees, collection agencies, etc. Therefore, one is compelled to remain in employment, and this gives the employer great leverage that he uses to flout basic labour laws (e.g. unpaid work time) and maintain a substandard work environment.

Therefore, to buffalo people in to work in the formal sector is to the benefit of the regime, and not only for the ostensive financial reasons. It is also a matter of making men subservient to landlords and bosses, of keeping men broken as twelve years of government “school” was not enough.

[SnakeyXTParticipant 12]

slavery

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

That, gents, is a point I have been trying to make in a number of posts.

The model for our current predicament is Russia.

Now, 100 years after their great socialist experiment, they have to threaten men with fines to get them to work.

Russia is finding out that the “social engineering” of the last 100 years has had unintended consequences. Men no longer have an incentive to work.

Do they think fining broke men will work? They have no money.

And, they don’t need much. The genie is out of the bottle in Russia and the Russian women are having a hard time putting it back in the bottle.

The same thing is happening here, just a few decades late.

It’s a good thing for men that women don’t believe in “his”tory because then they would not be so happy to set men free as they are right now.

MGTOW is the key, open the cage and fly away. She says she fears you and hates you anyway.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

A lot of guys will turn to some type of organized crime if it’s lucrative enough. The Russian mob is pretty infamous.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

We already have the Crips and Bloods, the spawn of black family disintegration. And they are no Poindexters, they have no problem getting laid.

Men will work to compete for women. If they can’t do it legally, history teaches us that men have no problem doing it illegally. And women love that about men. They’re even more attracted to guys that are criminals than guys that make their own way in the world.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[GrotesqueRogueParticipant 116]

Well, that’s what happens in Russia. Believe me, there’s plenty of strange laws there.

So, this is what I know about this situation. If you read the Russian constitution, it clearly says that (shorter version) “everyone decides on his own whether he wants to work or not, and where and how”. So, the law will contradict the constitution and it can’t get accepted.

BUT!

You change the constitution – you get the law accepted.

There’s another legal document that doesn’t allow this law to get accepted. At the moment. That’s the keyword.

So yes. For now everything is more or less okay regarding this law. For now.

 

 

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Forcing you to get a job and work, or go to jail is textbook slavery.

This is why Russia will never work. What the hell is the motivation? So I go to jail and get bed, food, and meals and work as a slave anyway?

Pffftt… The social model DOES NOT WORK. Men only work for themselves and the excess is given to the less fortunate. Problem today is there are freeloaders.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN SOCIALISM IS THE ANSWER.

I digress, people are stupid.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Unenforceable.

[MKBParticipant 51]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfvs3j6J7CQ

The problem is we are running out of men who think that it is worth being number 3, after all who wants to be number 3? It is common knowledge that society needs number 3 and men are starting to realizing that being number 3 is not worth it. Unfortunately the response from numbers 1 and 2 is if no one is deceived into being number 3 then we will force you. Since 1 and 2 make the majority it comes to me as no surprise that such a decision is gaining ground. It is really funny seeing numbers 1 and 2 trying to make 3 continue working for them. All I have to say on this matter is go ahead make those laws. Nothing would be better for MGTOW than making laws like this. Do not be afraid of 1 and 2. This fear campaign, the collapse of society (the end of their parasitic world), is one of the systems they have been maintaining to keep number 3 working. Numbers 1 and 2 are under the privilege of 3 not the other way around. Let 1 and 2 scurry around until they are forced to acknowledge this. MGTOW was created because society deemed being number 3 was a “privilege” of men, a reward in and of itself.

MGTOW have shown the number 3s the truth, and in turn have decided not to support 1 and 2. Numbers 1 and 2, faced with this dilemma, have decided to reward each other by forcing 3 to work without reward, a predictable action. As long as number 3 remains still and does not use force it can win. If people force you to go in their direction then the solution is to stand still and wait until they sink or can no longer carry you. This seems to be the MGTOW consensus and it is working. If we use force then 1 and 2 will be justified in fighting back and things will get worse, even messy. My advice is to continue not giving being number 3 and under no circumstances give them any justifications for using force. We know how delusional numbers 1 and 2 can get and the destruction they are capable of. Always remember the most dangerous animal is a cornered animal.

As you know, in the past gender roles were made to increase the survival of humans. These roles meant that women and men were not treated equally. Women were granted privileges, survivability, at the price for not having all the rights of men, simple trading. When survivability was no longer a major issue, the issue of rights was the only thing women could see. Women spread this amnesia until feminism was created (it is funny to see women fall back into these “misogynistic” gender roles in a heartbeat when survivability becomes an issue). Feminism was created by selfishness. Even today feminism does not acknowledge this simple trade. They thought they could have equal rights while maintaining their privileges. However, society could not handle this distortion and problems started to arise. These problems were “resolved” by giving women even more privileges, sometimes at the expense of men. Needless to say things got worse until we are at the point we are today. There was no direction for feminism and that was its downfall. Feminism disregarded the fact that our society was geared to function under these gender roles. Without those gender roles and without switching gears the engine became very inefficient and could not deliver the requested power. Now survivability is looking like it might be an issue again and there are woman with foresight who are saying that they did not use or abuse their privileges (NAWALT), disregarding proof to the opposite or labeling it a different label like kindness. Basically women want to return to female remodeled gender roles or to continue self destructing. The female remodeled gender roles look like the solution we are heading to. In all the years of feminism the only results are equal rights, massive damage through privilege abuse, and the realization of female selfishness. Men and women forgot that women are animals like men and vice versa.

If MGTOW is just a philosophy or ideal then all is fine. When making notions to support and guide people it is important to be clear on your group, men, and the type of support, men’s sovereignty. It is also important to remember that the best of ideals are pointless if it can kill you, that is the failure of absolute pacifism. If MGTOW wants to or has progressed from a philosophy to a way of living, MGHOW, then we should not promote separation. Since MGTOW does not have a long term goal I can only treat it as an ideal. If MGHOW is or considers itself a way of living then it has no organization. If the long term goal of MGTOW is dependent on MGHOWs working things out then there will be no progression of MGTOW because as a group MGHOWs are self destructive. The MGTOW movement will end once society collapses regardless of success. Once MGTOW is over, whether the name remains or is forgotten, then numbers 1 and 2 can go back to “privileging” men with the role of number 3 or worse, a patriarchy by delegating that role to women. These are decisions that need to be made because if MGTOW have decided to stand still indefinitely then time will destroy us, just like feminism, and that is the saddest ending. Does MGTOW want the return of female or male remodeled gender roles? or a completely different gear? The only threat to MGTOW are the decisions, or lack of, made by MGTOW. Everything else is subservient to it.

On the bright side, humans are not mice and we are capable of making efficient and fair solutions. Although humans are animals, fate has made us the first species on this planet with the capacity for higher thinking. We are men, we have proven our capacity with our ability to use it, and we can build the future we desire, as we always have. If we use this capacity we can reach the edge of the universe.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

You assert many things, yet provide no argument or source for it being so. That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

That being said, MGTOW is not a singular movement that is governed centrally, as your post suggests. There is no committee that can “promote separation”, one of the many meaningless phrases in your post that you did not bother to define, or do any of the other things you call for. Frankly, you seem to be barking up the wrong tree.

What “stands the test of time” is not my problem. Once I’m dead, I will be physically incapable of giving a s~~~.

[MKBParticipant 51]

I did not mean to post an argument, communication is not my forte. I was giving answers asking questions. In addition, I gave a little story as to how I have come to those questions. Since I did not post sources it should be clear that it is my perspective and I have no intention of proving it (if I would do that I would make my own channel). I wrote my view down because the questions I have asked might be explained from a misunderstanding on my part. If you can prove an inconsistency with my view then my view is illogical and I can evolve it faster. “That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence” is telling me, I do not like your view and I can ignore you because you did not show proof. You are free to tell me that you do not like my view, I have no intention of pushing it (which is why I did not put sources), but this mentality is not healthy for discussion, you are looking for answers you want to hear. If it helps then it helps and if it does not help then it does not help. I have no reason to write you an essay. You have asked about economic threats to MGTOW and I stated an answer based upon my perspective. Most of the conjecture is based on projecting the mice experiment to human society. You are free to agree, disagree, or ask for clarity. I have stated that there are no economic threats to MGTOW and responded with my view of the threats to MGTOW.

I am fully aware MGTOW is not governed centrally, but MGTOW does have a consensus. A consensus is a central authority without any leaders. A consensus is very flexible and that is a double edged sword.  MGHOW is something that naturally promotes separation because it is his own way. If MGTOW supports the development of MGHOWs then the consensus of MGTOW, as a group, promotes separation. If MGTOW wants to develop as a group then this natural separation is harming it. One solution would be to support the development of groups of MGHOWs. It would ensure the security of the MGTOW consensus and allow MGTOW to have goals through action by groups of similar MGHOWs. If you do not think that there is a problem then why should I offer a solution. I stated what I view as a problem and I thought my explanation was clear. I have no intention of barking but if it is not a problem tell me why it is not.

No matter how great or powerful something is it will end, everything ends. I am not suggesting to build MGTOW to last for 1000 years, but to take into consideration the effect it will have on our grandchildren. “Once I’m dead, I will be physically incapable of giving a s~~~” should not be used as a reason to push your self destruction onto the next generation. This may not be your intention but it permits such behaviors and I have seen too many people perform them consciously and unconsciously.

I give you the choice again. This is your thread and you have the right to tell me that my participation is irrelevant or not wanted.

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