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Just published: http://ncfm.org/2016/02/news/ncfm-member-tim-patten-women-where-are-the-good-men/
Women: Where Are the Good Men?
Right now, all over the world, millions of women are searching for a “good man.” Even after decades of effort on the part of the women’s liberation movement to empower women with the mantra, “I do not need a man,” they continue on this seemingly endless quest.
The process to find a good man begins early by assuring little girls that they’ll “meet a good partner one day”. Indeed, they seem to intuitively understand that someone, someday, will take care of them for the rest of their lives. They are told, “When you’re married, you’ll be happy,” as they bask in dreams of a fancy wedding and a life with a perfect soul mate. He’ll be masculine, he’ll work hard and he’ll earn enough money to care for his woman and for her children. He will be strong, intelligent, healthy and courageous – all the while being by her side for protection and support.
For men however, it is a different story. We don’t ask for much. We like our women to be attractive. We like them to enjoy sex, and we like them to provide us with companionship. What we don’t want is for them to try to change us.
It is these dichotic extremes that lie at the root of the modern global gender liberation phenomenon. A dichotomy where women are driving good men away.
Women and Society
The fact is that women and society at large have systematically stacked mountains of needs, obstacles and expectations in front of us men, challenging us to measure up to impossible standards of masculinity at every stage of our lives. Boys fend off schoolyard bullies, teenage males strut their stuff, and men feel compelled to protect females from even the slightest random belligerence. We are like cub scouts consigned to, among other things, helping little old ladies cross the street to earn our “real man” badge.
For the most part, women’s, gender studies and society at large skirt around male suicide and other related issues. But this must stop. It is time to zero in on who – and what – is corralling men into the destructive confines of hegemonic masculinity.
One obvious question is this: Where is the relentless demand for the “good man” coming from? In truth, this gender “policing” abomination is perpetrated by everyone, whether they are aware of it or not. It reflects a gynocentric society rife with the crumbling artifacts of institutionalized patriarchy. But that is not the whole story. Most of the time, those we love most – especially the women many of us spend our lives chasing – place this straightjacket of idealized masculinity on us. They are a favorite object of love and desire and in return, they expect stereotypical masculine perfection. Many hold dear those things that will elevate partners to “good man” status. Our girlfriends, wives and significant others wield this power over us like a sword, or they leave us with hurdle after hurdle to jump over.
Relationships Between Men and Women
One day every young girl grows up and finds her true love, a good man, and an exclusive relationship ensues. The couple becomes entangled and sometimes will marry. Suddenly the man’s responsibilities and demands skyrocket. Some men undoubtedly love the challenges of manhood and they experience a certain male pride when they assume responsibility for looking after a woman for the rest of her life. But for others, the burden of living up to an idealized version of manhood often leads to great stress and intense feelings of shame, anxiety, depression, and in extreme cases, suicide. These marital burdens have created an escape phenomena for many men.
Women often try to control their man by slapping, hitting, and throwing him out of their homes. Oddly, society and even many men seem to approve of this abuse. In fact, some of us do not seem to care if loving a woman is dangerous. It seems that for many females, the fear of male domination echoes incessantly inside their heads. To dodge male authority, women go on the offensive and begin subjugating and manipulating men to ensure that they won’t be oppressed.
They also try to hammer us into submission with their words. They’ll say things like, “He’s a little boy who needs to grow up and act like a man.” They make us feel guilty and shame us with ridicule. Another common refrain is, “If you were a real man, you’d…”, along with other self-serving diatribes like, “If you love me you’d man-up, earn more and help me at home”.
The woman’s weapon of choice is a sharp tongue. While the things they say might smack of moral authority and loving concern, they often cut deeper than physical violence. The intent is to strike at our inherent male core. Many women are experts at inflicting pain through words alone while others rely on tactics like bickering and nagging to stoke our insecurity even more. This has the potential to force even the most independent and self-assured of us to cower—or worse. As an example of how critical this issue has become, a 2014 study found that verbal abuse was often a catalyst for husband suicides.
Male Fear
Our worst fear is being seen as something other than male. We can be humiliated and devastated by any suggestion that, because of passivity or effeminacy, we might be like a woman. We live in perpetual anxiety about being considered weak, gay, unfit or “unmanly”; it is our Achilles’ heel. When women demand that we be a “real man,” our adrenaline spikes; when they shout, “Man-up!” we become agitated. When they undermine our masculinity, our pride is destroyed.
And yet, women are the ones who are often afraid. They are so frightened by our powerful maleness that they command us to submit. But many women don’t seem to grasp the emasculating impact that their abuse can have. Lacking our biology, they cannot understand our emotions at their most primal level. They only see that we react and comply. They have no real understanding of the damage their reckless behavior can cause.
The Role of the Women’s Movement
We should not have to succumb to the shackles placed on us by the women’s rights and social justice movements either. In theory, these hugely successful campaigns were intended to level the playing field between men and women. In reality however, many have been hijacked by extremists and then misinformed for nefarious purposes. While these hardline activists try to make their mission sound noble, their words often betray then, as evidenced by the popular media battle cries below:
“R.E.S.P.E.C.T.”…“I am woman”…“Hear me roar”…“Ladies first”…“This is a woman’s world”…“Nobody can hold us down”…“She dominates all access”… “You don’t own me”…“We run this mutha”… “If you like it, put a ring on it”…“Who runs the world? GIRLS!”
Over time, the drive for equality has been transformed into a crusade for female advantage and a strategy for imposing their worldview on men. Women have been given special rights and they’ve signed misguided legislation into law – legislation that benefits them at our male expense. Many of these so-called women’s movements have devolved into full-fledged man-hating struggles for gender supremacy, inspiring a significant backlash.
The Role of Sex
Unfortunately, our biological imperatives make things complicated and difficult. Even when women’s demands are entirely unreasonable, most of us will comply because we are motivated by powerful and instinctual urges, most notable of which is our male sex drive. It is still not clear why society views this as an acceptable form of coercion and something used for the purpose of harnessing masculinity’s unruly nature.
Once our male sexual appetite is triggered, we kowtow into submission, potentially sacrificing our long-term health and financial wellbeing by clinging to the false belief that physical intimacy is our reward for being “good.” We are not just compelled to ‘save the women and children first’. In many respects, we have become “vagina beggars”. Like lemmings, we follow a dangerous and potentially disastrous course. We have become imprisoned, and women hold the key.
Liberation and Discovering Happiness
As Bob Dylan once wrote, the times they are a-changin’. Years of submission to abusive treatment and acquiescing to unrealistic expectations have taken their toll, and many of us are starting to ask some very pointed questions. Do we deserve to be treated like workhorses? Are we supposed to sit back and become totally marginalized, similar to how males in certain matriarchal African villages were relegated by the female leadership to the lowest rungs of the social ladder? Will we become nothing more than “manginas,” capriciously and carelessly manipulated at the whims of our female overlords?
For millions of us, the answer to those questions is a resounding “no!” Good men around the world have decided to go their own way, and like us, they understand that there is nothing wrong with men or masculinity. They understand that they do not need to be schooled by women nor do they need to be enslaved to the family with little reward. A tsunami of male sovereignty is sweeping across our planet and we are grabbing the sword of opportunity to enlighten ourselves.
This growing movement of masculine awareness goes by many names – MGTOW, the Red Pill and Herbivore men. This new paradigm is helping us to understand our true selves, our unique assets and the techniques we can employ to end our toxic entanglements with women. We’re learning how to liberate ourselves from a primitive and self-destructive social order. We’re speaking out and helping to empower others to break free from the bonds of the biased relationship expectations of love, marriage and myopic monogamy – expectations that are enforced with female violence.
A New World
Gloria Steinman recently asked on Real Time with Bill Maher, “What’s wrong with people using their talents and doing what they want?” As men, we want that liberation as well. For many of us, this is a new and exciting environment, and it’s quickly changing for the better. It is a world where we can finally do what we want and work at the things that we love.
It doesn’t matter whether we enjoy tinkering with automobiles, flying kites, dancing in a ballet, playing sports or prepping ourselves so that we may, by choice rather than compulsion, become leaders, inventors and creators. We seek to express and enjoy our innermost interests and talents, rather than toil endlessly in the pursuit of a life of inequality and lopsided relationships. We are realizing our right to define who we are, and we are choosing our higher purpose.
As men, we are amazing; we have the qualities and drive to change the world. Only now, it is our own decision to make. No longer condemned to live a life dictated by women and their obsolete restrictions, we can shed the debilitating confines of social expectation and truly relish the fruits of our labors. It is time to unleash the full potential of men in our society. A life of freedom and happiness awaits us!
About the Author
Tim Patten is a retired software engineer and author of newly released MGTOW Building Wealth and Power. He also wrote WHY I CHEAT – 11 campfire stories for men’s ears only. Both books are a celebration of masculinity and pay homage to the modern men’s liberation movement.
The good men got a life and did something with it.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
LAYDEEZ will never realize that
while you can beat a horse, or even a dead horse,
you can’t beat a horse that’s no longer there."It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
I heard that!
Yes, if men go mgtow, they can yell, cry, and abuse all they want, but men will just walk away in silence.
Refusing to engage in their sick and twisted game is the only alternative for men.
The more men we influence withg MGTOW, the more society will understand. That is why I write books and articles.
Heeey Tim, that article was very well written indeed (actually by a large part even better phrased and articulated than in your book itself, so it looks like you surpassed yourself, dude!!!).
Anyway one particular part of a paragraph from that article very much inspired me once again (to think a bit further) and it’s merely this one sentence:
Most of the time, those we love most – especially the women many of us spend our lives chasing – place this straightjacket of idealized masculinity on us.
They used to say: “You always hurt the ones you love”. Well, nowadays this “hurting bit” seems to be an expected compulsory given (at least occasionally or often enough, name the effects and attraction of a “bad boy” s~~~ tests etc.).
It’s almost like women today simply no longer can stand or handle “solid consistent love” as it were and now that many men(ginas) have “successfully” be emasculated all the women wonder about is why all the thrill seeking and unstable and inconsistent so-called love & nagging tantrums they bombard us with (only because they love that permanent thrill and drama combination) lots of us can’t handle or don’t like or are sick of it…?
Well, as with everything else they did forcibly pursue over time ie. feminism, SJW etc etc again they in the end brought it onto themselves including this very evident backlash. Because they simply couldn’t grasp the idea that everything that they like for themselves is not likely to be tolerated by us as well and they can keep expect us to tolerate it for as long as they please, but we simply won’t, because even if we eventually did tolerate it (that would be the final state of all men becoming perfect manginas) they still would never ever be happy with that questionable “achievement” on their part.
So in essence women (since they often enough demanded that we men should evolve further by the way, because the women in that regard left us behind or so they like us to believe) should in the end actually be thankful for the development and rising of mgtow, at least for the sake of their never ending challenges ahead (as in how to if ever getting us back onto plantation), because our group as a collective is in effect merely asking the one all underlying core question:
“Why do we (men) nowadays have to ever so often (and much more frequently so than in the past!) hurt the ones we love, only to keep being appreciated or perceived as “good” and lovable men..? Isn’t living in this time the world not a dangerous enough place anymore (or as in too peaceful)…? Is that it: over all not enough excitement left over in this world..?”
Please laydeez, we love our new found freedom and sure enough our peace and quiet that goes right with it…!
If only you could possibly accept that…
I guess this could well be the mgtow question, that we ask women and society as a whole with most if not all of our actions of walking away…
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
Thank you! A question that I can’t even begin to understand?
Anonymous42Hey Tim, 50+ years of female ranting and battling men over every little issue (gaining ground at each battle) has driven men onto the piers where they board their own ships, abandoning dry land to the women that conquered it and the laws that govern it.
Therefore in the eyes of the public we appear as a pirates, shirking the responsibility of family and a marriage.
When I fact, women have transformed the family into a government operation, where he’s extracted as a work mule and ordered to support this abomination form a position of absolute isolation.
The modern paradigm of relations~~~s and the effect women’s liberation has had on us is leading the Western world to peril.The proof is in the numbers.
Education values for men falling like meteors for decades, divorce rates rising faster than rockets!
Poverty, violence, drug abuse, urban decay, and industrial failure can be added to the numbers.MGTOW is the only door leading a man to a better life, We’re left with no choice, it’s MGHOW or a lifetime of endless misery!
They can keep their c~~~ carousel, ride their marry’go’round, and spend their lives playing in the a
mBusement park from hell!
Once enlightened with the truth, it’s impossible to turn back!Hey Tim, I’m glad to hear from you as always! Great stuff! You speak for me from the heart! Very concise!
I’ve watched 50 years of women’s movements and woke up late to the needs of us, me; men. So I am willing to write things to support men and masculinity, I’m older and can take the hate mail from people who are still in the dark.
I think MGTOW is going in a direction that will have a profound effect on young boys who will need direction.
Hey, fellas, I hear this all the time in public. Women complaining about all the good men. And I could be, and indeed sometimes am very blunt with opinions. So, for s~~~s and giggles, next time you hear this, just reply.
“Where are all the good men? Well they’re usually with the good women.”
This allows you to play dumb and ignorant, while at the same time insinuating that they are not good women.
Of course, the question of what makes a “good man” is never directly talked about with men, but we all f~~~ing know. A list of 100 things that no man on the planet is. The funny thing is that by their logic, anyone who isn’t all 100 things is considered a bad man. They are telling you implicitly that you are a bad man, if they mention this in front of you, so insinuate the same about them, that they are bad women. Or you could be blunt as f~~~. That works too.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
Anonymous42I think MGTOW is going in a direction that will have a profound effect on young boys who will need direction.
Rest assured Tim, this website and the MGTOW message is tearing through collages and university around the globe, I’m sure it’s one of the reasons we’re hacked on a regular basis, just like you; I can, will, and shall take allot of s~~~ to stay perched firmly in the truth!
You’re either king of your own hill of truth defending it relentlessly, or you’re dragged down by lies, ridicule, and ignorance, giving in and allowing tyranny to have it’s way.The message of MGTOW resonates like a finely tuned orchestra, one sour note from a shill, a female, or White Knight TRADCON sympathizer, and it sounds like a foghorn blaring from the brass section!
We know the truth, and the truth has set us free!
It’s only decent and respectable to warn our brothers of the things they cannot, but we can clearly see.I salute all the MGTOW standing in defiance and teaching others to do the same!
SALUTE! Salute to all MGTOW. It takes a bit of bravery, to remain vocal and strong. I remember one of the editors I hired to help get WHY I CHEAT ready for publishing was having trouble staying motivated. Missing deadlines. I called her every day. Finally she kinda flipped out on me and we had an arguement.
In the end she completed her work and wrote to say she thought I was very brave to write such a book.
Good read Tim.
I think that we men, as a whole, will never attain a woman’s idealized version of “a Good Man”.
Most women don’t or won’t even try to understand the term MAN without a negative slant, or their own individual misconceptions of what a man is. I would daresay that a majority of women in the world would not even be able to identify a decent human being, much less a “Good Man”.The ever increasing, and never ending, set of criteria for what determines what “a good man” is has exhausted a lot of men. Good, Bad, mediocre, or decent men, it doesn’t matter, a lot of men are simply refusing to play along anymore as the effort far out weighs the benefit/reward.
For me, I would rather stand alone in my adventure called life, than have someone (a woman) near me who can decimate my life on a whim, without remorse or responsibility.
Someone somewhere drew a line in the sand daring me to cross it. I’m tired of the games, So I simply went to another beach.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Agree, without a c~~~ and b~~~~ women will never know true masculinity that derives from biology, doing and social pressures. But the ladies will always want to harness our manliness for their needs and selfish interests.
Time to empower ourselves and build a new path and future.
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