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    Anonymous
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    There was a war in south america that decimated the male population of one country. This country became largely ruled by women for a time, who instituted polygamy.

    I can’t for the life of me find more info on it. I would imagine that it being politically incorrect that it’s not exactly blaring on any headlines.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    #189274
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    Anonymous
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    I think I found what I needed, but I’ll share because it’s so eye opening.

    “Women in the Paraguayan War[edit]
    Paraguayan women had a significant role in the Paraguayan War.

    During the period just before the war began many Paraguayan women were the heads of their households, meaning they did have some power and authority. They received such positions by being widows, having children out of wedlock, or their husbands worked on peons. When the war began women started to venture out of the home becoming nurses, working with government, and stabilizing themselves into the public sphere. When the New York Times reported on the war in 1868 they considered Paraguayan women equal to their male counterparts.[114]

    Paraguayan women’s support of the war effort can be divided into two stages. The first being from the time the war began in 1864 to the Paraguayan evacuation of Asunción in 1868. During the period of the war, peasant women became the number one producers of agricultural goods. The second stage begins when the war turned to a more guerrilla form. It started when the capital of Paraguay fell and ended with the assassination of Paraguay’s president Francisco Solano López. At this stage the number of women becoming victims of war was increasing.

    Women helped sustain Paraguayan society during a very unstable period. Though Paraguay did lose the war, the outcome may have been more disastrous without women performing specific tasks. They were farmers, soldiers, nurses, and government officials. They became the symbol for national unification, and at the end of the war, the traditions women maintained is part of what held the nation together.[115] ” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War)

    “This is something I knew nothing about until a couple of weeks ago.

    Following the incredibly destructive Paraguayan war in the mid-1800s

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War

    so many men had been killed, and so few remained, that there was apparently a temporary but official Roman Catholic dispensation allowing ‘polygamy’ in the sense of plural marriage – in order to enable repopulation. ”

    http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=339504

    Also, this from the above thread.

    “Actually, St. Thomas in his Summa Contra Gentiles, explains the three ends of marriage:

    1. The procreation and rearing of children.
    2. Common good of spouses.
    3. The sacramental sign between man and woman.

    While theoretically not impossible, the ability for a man to be able to be true to the vows of the Sacrament is impeded my multiple wives, so St. Thomas says this is why the Catholic Church does not permit the practice. The sancitity of the marital union cannot be assured by polygamy in the same way monogamy can. Polygamy is not in itself evil, or condemned, but is not the ideal we are called to. The ideal is the union of two people in one flesh as Scripture says. It was thus in the beginning, in the Garden of Eden, and it is to thus we are called.

    The only type of polygamy strictly condemned is polyandry (one woman, many husbands). While less relevant with paternal testing now, St.Thomas tells us all children have the right to know their father, which in this relationship arrangement would have at the time been impossible. Even now, though, just as the body has only one head, so too can the home have only one head, and therefore only one husband.

    There is only one notable example of the Church permitting sacramental polygamy, and that was in Paraguay in the 19th century. The War of the Triple Alliance decimated the male population, already low, and so the Church gave a dispensation for polygamy in order to rebuild the populace, and of course later ended it when this was achieved.

    Sorry if this answer is not very coherant, but I try!”

    So, I guess my request for help has instead turned into a question:

    Why would women practice “serial monogomy” at best? Wouldn’t it be better for many of them to share one very wealthy man to get the utility they pander for?

    #189292
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    Sidecar
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    Women helped sustain Paraguayan society during a very unstable period.

    Of course they worked to sustain society. They depend on society. A man can be self sufficient and independent of society. A woman cannot.

    And meanwhile the men were dying in massive numbers, so no points for women there. Women having to work for their own self interest is not comparable to men losing their lives for a cause. Not even close.

    Wouldn’t it be better for many of them to share one very wealthy man to get the utility they pander for?

    Since when has any women truly wanted to share anything?

    And they don’t pander for utility from men. They demand it.

    #189303
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    OldBill
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    katkatir – You’ll need to read up on Paraguay’s colonial history in order to understand it’s history before, during, and after the Paraguayan War.

    Paraguay was remote, so the conquistadors got there relatively late. (Asuncion was settled early on, but more as an jumping off point for the exploration of the region thanks to it being near the head of navigation for the Paraguay river.) Unlike with Mexico and Peru, there were no pre-Columbian civilizations in the region to loot, no cash crops to grow, and little else that wasn’t already closer to Spain and her older colonies.

    With nothing to attract colonial avarice, no one really pushed for a royal grant to the region, the Jesuits were allowed to take control. In an early example of social engineering, they moved in, built mission churches and schools, kept Spanish settlers out of the area, defended the natives from the slave/labor raids of the same. The Jesuits’ plan was to develop an autonomous Christian Indian nation and they damn near succeeded. A brand of Catholicism which included many pre-contact native beliefs developed and many native social customs survived too – including matrilineal descent.

    The Jesuits ran the place for nearly 200 years until the Spanish crown expelled them in the mid-1760s. Less then 50 years later, Paraguay became independent so it suffered the well know deficits of Spanish colonial rule for a much shorter period than the rest of Central and South America. That alone made Paraguay very different from the various former Spanish colonies around it and those differences are responsible for the postwar “arrangements” you noted.

    Hit your library, use the card files, and check out a couple of books on the region’s history. Reading history – and not just Rome or WW2 like too many do – is something all MGTOWs should do.

    Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

    #189305
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    Anonymous
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    Thanks, Old Bill, that’s an awesome start. I appreciate it!

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    Franky
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    Of course they worked to sustain society. They depend on society. A man can be self sufficient and independent of society. A woman cannot.

    Place a gun next to a woman’s head and surprise surprise she’s a decent human being all of a sudden!
    Strange huh?

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