Need some Advice.

[TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdomParticipant 58]

Lately, there has been this situation where I’m a bit of a lost.

(If you don’t want to read the back story I’ll put a TL:DR at the bottom.)

So, one of my male acquaintances, I’ll call him Mark. Mark is a total beta for this one girl, texts her daily, obsessed over her, lets himself be pushed around, etc. Yet he claims she is mostly attracted to him and claims to already they have regular sex.

Therefore, I asked for her number and she let me put my number in her phone. (Red Flag #1: she has a tons of men in her phone, and no women expect for her one female best friend, and her sister.) I asked her about this she followed up with: “I don’t really get along with women, they caused too much drama”.(Red Flag #2: She causes too much drama that other women cannot put up with her) .

Later in the week, I planned the place to go and what time we will meet. She arrived and stated “I usually have to make all the plans when we Mark and hang out. It gets tiring.” Later that night, we are having a suitable time, shes laughing then follows up with: “Mark never makes me laugh this much. He takes everything so serious.” I replied: “If you have such underlying issues with Mark, why do you continuously hang out with him?” No response.

Few weeks passed, we’re on my couch, drinking, she decided to speak open up more about Mark. “He is quite clingy, texts me all the time.. always wants to hang out… I cannot even joke with him… but you.. you’re different.. you’re a nic- Before she could finish I replied: “We’re not friends, I have plenty of those.” Her face looked stupefied as if she knew I wasn’t going to be used. I politely let her (kicked her) out of my apartment as I said I had work next day.

In the end, I hung out with Mark and her, it was just as she described all over her and trying hard to make her laugh… a few nights later she showed up, unexpected, I inquired to what she wanted , she said she wanted to hang out… a couple of drinks later I asked: “Do you and Mark have sex?” “A few weeks ago… but only because he begs for it…That is also annoying..” I let her out 20 minutes later…

TL:DR: If Mark being a Beta is such a hassle, why does she continue to associate with him? (Other questions below, if you’d like to answer).

If you read all that backstory, here is my questions to you brothers:

Is Mark really being a beta or I’m I misinterpreting?

If she dislikes all these qualities why does she hang out with him?

Could she be using Mark for his beta aspects?

[UntamedParticipant]

Hi, KT. I’d say she’s going around on the c~~~ carousel, enjoying every bit of it and you may be next in line. It’s up to you to either play her games and keep two steps ahead of her or send her packing. Depending on wether you care about that “Mark” or not you might let him know about her play but since he seems to be hypnotized by pussy he might not take it the right way.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[OldBillParticipant]

Don’t worry about Mark. You have your own problems, not the least of which is letting a c~~~ bad mouth your friend to your face.

First, why are you sniffing around a woman your friend is involved with? Whether or not he’s f~~~ing her as regularly as he claims, you still stuck your nose into the situation for nothing more than satisfying your curiosity. Trading phone numbers, arranging to meet her without your friend, having her over for drinks, all of that is the kind of s~~~ty behavior we expect from women and not men. And you kept it up for weeks.

Second, why did you allow her to bad mouth your friend in your presence? Sure, you flipped her complaints about Mark into questions about her own behavior but you shouldn’t have been in the position where she could complain to you in the first place. It doesn’t matter that you shut her down, it doesn’t matter that you told her to leave, it doesn’t matter that you never f~~~ed her. All that matters is that she obviously comfortable enough with you to act dismissively towards her current boyfriend.

With a friend like you, Mark certainly doesn’t need any enemies.

As for your other ‘questions”, here is the answer to all of them:

Why does she associate with Mark if she dislikes him so much? Why does she still hang out with him? Is she using him?

She’s doing all that because she’s f~~~ing c~~~, you complete f~~~ing idiot. She needs a beta sap to keep buying her things and stroking her ego while she tries to climb the hypergamy ladder. And you’re just a clueless rung on that ladder.

Try being an actual friend for a change and stop interacting with this bitch.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

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[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

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[Anonymous 18]

I agree with OldBill.

You seem to be rationalizing her behavior in terms of labelling Mark as ‘beta’: that’s her prerogative not yours. If he is just an acquaintance which seems unlikely (sounds to me more like he is a good friend of yours) what’s keeping you from sleeping with her? She is the typical run of the mill slut by-product of female ’empowerment’ from her juggling of multiple orbiters (yes, including yourself).

What you are doing with his woman, however you spin this, is taking advantage of your ‘acquaintence’ with Mark.

[Anonymous 1]

TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdom wrote:

If Mark being a Beta is such a hassle, why does she continue to associate with him?

He is the plan b. The sucker that she will rely one if anything else fails.

TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdom wrote:

Is Mark really being a beta or I’m I misinterpreting?

Oh yes. He is a pussy beggar. I should know, I was on my way to become like him at one point in the past (but “luckily” no women actually paid attention to me)

TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdom wrote:

If she dislikes all these qualities why does she hang out with him?

Well, I already answered that previously, but just in case, I will let you answer your own question with:

TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdom wrote:

Could she be using Mark for his beta aspects?

Bingo.

[TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdomParticipant 58]

Anonymous wrote:

I agree with OldBill.
You seem to be rationalizing her behavior in terms of labelling Mark as ‘beta’: that’s her prerogative not yours. If he is just an acquaintance which seems unlikely (sounds to me more like he is a good friend of yours) what’s keeping you from sleeping with her? She is the typical run of the mill slut by-product of female ’empowerment’ from her juggling of multiple orbiters (yes, including yourself).
What you are doing with his woman, however you spin this, is taking advantage of your ‘acquaintence’ with Mark.

He is an acquaintance… It is just cause I was in Marks position before, and wished someone would’ve smacked me in the face with it… With him though… I feel he is blinded and won’t accept it. So, I’m caught in between assisting him or just letting him learn on his own.

[TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdomParticipant 58]

OldBill wrote:

Don’t worry about Mark. You have your own problems, not the least of which is letting a c~~~ bad mouth your friend to your face.
First, why are you sniffing around a woman your friend is involved with? Whether or not he’s f~~~ing her as regularly as he claims, you still stuck your nose into the situation for nothing more than satisfying your curiosity. Trading phone numbers, arranging to meet her without your friend, having her over for drinks, all of that is the kind of s~~~ty behavior we expect from women and not men. And you kept it up for weeks.
Second, why did you allow her to bad mouth your friend in your presence? Sure, you flipped her complaints about Mark into questions about her own behavior but you shouldn’t have been in the position where she could complain to you in the first place. It doesn’t matter that you shut her down, it doesn’t matter that you told her to leave, it doesn’t matter that you never f~~~ed her. All that matters is that she obviously comfortable enough with you to act dismissively towards her current boyfriend.
With a friend like you, Mark certainly doesn’t need any enemies.
As for your other ‘questions”, here is the answer to all of them:
Why does she associate with Mark if she dislikes him so much? Why does she still hang out with him? Is she using him?
She’s doing all that <strong class=”d4pbbc-bold”>because she’s f~~~ing c~~~, you complete f~~~ing idiot. She needs a beta sap to keep buying her things and stroking her ego while she tries to climb the hypergamy ladder. And you’re just a clueless rung on that ladder.
Try being an actual friend for a change and stop interacting with this bitch.

Hm… I see from a point of view. I will have to disagree to an extent though, I won’t defend Mark. While I do believe looking out for someone, even if they are an acquaintance, but Mark is one of those type who isn’t too fond of being defended by others. Now, being an actual friend for Mark isn’t going to happen. It is as one of the posters said, he is hypnotized by her pussy, so he’d throw me under the bus for her.. so I’d rather not.

[OldBillParticipant]

TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdom wrote:

Hm… I see from a point of view. I will have to disagree to an extent though, I won’t defend Mark. While I do believe looking out for someone, even if they are an acquaintance, but Mark is one of those type who isn’t too fond of being defended by others. Now, being an actual friend for Mark isn’t going to happen. It is as one of the posters said, he is hypnotized by her pussy, so he’d throw me under the bus for her.. so I’d rather not.

Nothing but excuses, which shouldn’t be too surprising.

Your description of whatever your relationship is with Mark is all over the place. He’s just an acquaintance but you’re wondering whether he’s being used. He isn’t too fond of being defended, but you defend him when the c~~~ in question speaks poorly of him. He’s not an actual friend, but you’re incredibly curious about his relationship with the c~~~ in question. You baldly state that if you were Mark you wish someone would help you and then state you don’t want to help him at all. In one post you state you’re torn between helping him and letting him learn on his own only to state in your very next post that you’d rather not help him at all. You need to make up your mind before asking us for “advice”.

Like I said, with friends or acquaintances like you, Mark needs no enemies.

The truth of the matter is that you’re just another of her beta orbiters. You’re just aware enough to realize that Mark is being used while also being just stupid enough not to realize that you’re being used. She’s playing both of you and the fact that you didn’t even f~~~ her means she got the best of you. She’s f~~~ed Mark but not you. Think about that for a moment. He’s been in her panties while you constantly waffle between inviting her over for drinks only to throw her out of your house and trading phone numbers then claiming you’re not her friend.

You have some sort of sick fascination with this woman so you need to stop interacting with her. You also need to decide just what sort of friendship you should have with Mark going forward.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[rebelandboltmanParticipant 640]

In my opinion, you shouldn’t even have asked for her number in the first place. You should have just left that woman alone. Lose her number. Get your ass out of the beta orbit.

[HitmanParticipant]

kid , old bill is SCHOOLING you ! take notes and LEARN …stop that s~~~ your’e up to ..what good can come of it ? it’s NOT your business ..sorry , but you asked !

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

School is in session, Professor OldBill is teaching!

And ffs, kick this bitch to the curb. It sounds like you’re sinking time/energy & maybe $ in to this girl; find a better place to commit your resources.

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