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[Russky2Participant 3086]

Hey dudes,

I’m again stuck in a rut. Basically I have accepted what was supposed to be a full time position, as a security guy, at a pretty cool company. However it’s more of a customer service gig-reception job than guarding anything. We also watch cameras around the world, and acknowledge alarms. Here’s the thing- the company advertised this position as full time, yet it’s part time for now with possibility of moving on full time. Close to home, and a lot of people I know work there too. They pay 16$ an hour, and I work afternoons and nights which is great cause I don’t have to deal with too many people. But, nobody knows when the full time thing will run….

Just this Friday I’ve been contacted by UPS to work for them as a delivery driver at 18$ an hour, but it’s further away. Their requirements is that I need to be able to read a map, which at this time I don’t have that skill and don’t know how hard it would be. They also don’t allow GPS devices, so navigation for me would suck… the cool thing I guess is that it’s a driving job, but I see a lot of them struggle with parking especially in highly congested areas of uptown/downtown areas. Although it’s a driving position, I would have to deal with people which is ok. But I hear there’s a pretty good amount of turn over rate at UPS.

So my question is, should I stay with the current job and wait for full time, or take a risk and go with UPS? If I do take the UPS job, then I would be screwing over the manager at the security company and their payrol is f~~~ed up. They recently had lots of ppl quit. But at the same time, this is the second time (actually third), where they advertised a position as full time and it turned out to be a part time one… I guess i’m too nice of a guy to step over people, and allow them to do the exact same thing…

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[MonkParticipant 16995]

Russky2 wrote:

Here’s the thing- the company advertised this position as full time, yet it’s part time for now with possibility of moving on full time.

This is common come-on.

Just this Friday I’ve been contacted by UPS to work for them as a delivery driver at 18$ an hour, but it’s further away.

Travel is at your expense. Travel time is also unpaid work time.

They also don’t allow GPS devices …

That’s weird. Why? Private or subcontract couriers use them.

… the cool thing I guess is that it’s a driving job, but I see a lot of them struggle with parking especially in highly congested areas of uptown/downtown areas.

City centre, short haul multi drop with much of it time sensitive = serious stress. I also would expect parking tickets and any other traffic violations to be down to the driver.

But I hear there’s a pretty good amount of turn over rate at UPS.

That says a great deal, and none of it good.

… at the security company and their payroll is f~~~ed up. They recently had lots of ppl quit.

That means lots of people didn’t get paid. Is the payroll srewup genuine, or it being used to hide the fact that they are going broke?

But at the same time, this is the second time (actually third), where they advertised a position as full time and it turned out to be a part time one.

That they use this come-on habitually is a very bad sign.

[Russky2Participant 3086]

Monk wrote:

Russky2 wrote:

Here’s the thing- the company advertised this position as full time, yet it’s part time for now with possibility of moving on full time.

This is common come-on.

Just this Friday I’ve been contacted by UPS to work for them as a delivery driver at 18$ an hour, but it’s further away.

Travel is at your expense. Travel time is also unpaid work time.

They also don’t allow GPS devices …

That’s weird. Why? Private or subcontract couriers use them.

… the cool thing I guess is that it’s a driving job, but I see a lot of them struggle with parking especially in highly congested areas of uptown/downtown areas.

City centre, short haul multi drop with much of it time sensitive = serious stress. I also would expect parking tickets and any other traffic violations to be down to the driver.

But I hear there’s a pretty good amount of turn over rate at UPS.

That says a great deal, and none of it good.

… at the security company and their payroll is f~~~ed up. They recently had lots of ppl quit.

That means lots of people didn’t get paid. Is the payroll srewup genuine, or it being used to hide the fact that they are going broke?

But at the same time, this is the second time (actually third), where they advertised a position as full time and it turned out to be a part time one.

That they use this come-on habitually is a very bad sign.

So, the conclusion is neither of them eh

MGTOW AKBAR

[MonkParticipant 16995]

Russky2 wrote:

So, the conclusion is neither of them eh

Neither look good, although that said, whilst your current company looks a bit iffy, the industry is still a possibility if you build up a bit of experience and are prepared to move around.

I did that (one advantage of MGTOW is of course freedom of movement), and became a mobile patrol supervisor quite quickly. You might study a little law in the evenings to enhance your CV, do some firearms courses and so on.

Delivery driving is one of the quickest routes I know to a heart attack. It’s even worse than cab driving.

[Russky2Participant 3086]

Monk wrote:

Russky2 wrote:

So, the conclusion is neither of them eh

Neither look good, although that said, whilst your current company looks a bit iffy, the industry is still a possibility if you build up a bit of experience and are prepared to move around.
I did that (one advantage of MGTOW is of course freedom of movement), and became a mobile patrol supervisor quite quickly. You might study a little law in the evenings to enhance your CV, do some firearms courses and so on.
Delivery driving is one of the quickest routes I know to a heart attack. It’s even worse than cab driving.

Holy s~~~ bro, I appreciate your input! I did some delivery driving, but it wasn’t that bad until winter came. Plus the supervisor was a c~~~, with little regard for my own safety, basically driving all season tires on highway. So the heart attack thing is due to stress and poor diet, and a bunch of other unpleasant things?

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[MonkParticipant 16995]

Russky2 wrote:

So the heart attack thing is due to stress and poor diet, and a bunch of other unpleasant things?

Never enough sleep, no time to eat properly. A sea of motorised morons who seem bent on either killing you or themselves, or both.

If the one doesn’t get you, the other will. Forget UPS.

The only driving job worth considering would be regular-run long haul single drop heavy goods.

Specialist loads might eventually be a possibility (fuel, dangerous chemicals, other weird loads), but employers would want to see years of experience for that as their insurers would insist on it.

Bear in mind though the haulage industry is contracting, and the introduction of automated road trains (road trains are common in Australia), is on the cards, so that may not be a route to go down either.

Security is probably your best bet right now – plenty of jobs and an expanding industry. You can do specialist courses such as bodyguarding, defensive driving, escape and evasion, and so on.

And as I said, if you are prepared to chop and change, progress can be rapid.

[Russky2Participant 3086]

Monk wrote:

Russky2 wrote:

So the heart attack thing is due to stress and poor diet, and a bunch of other unpleasant things?

Never enough sleep, no time to eat properly. A sea of motorised morons who seem bent on either killing you or themselves, or both.
If the one doesn’t get you, the other will. Forget UPS.
The only driving job worth considering would be regular-run long haul single drop heavy goods.
Specialist loads might eventually be a possibility (fuel, dangerous chemicals, other weird loads), but employers would want to see years of experience for that as their insurers would insist on it.
Bear in mind though the haulage industry is contracting, and the introduction of automated road trains (road trains are common in Australia), is on the cards, so that may not be a route to go down either.
Security is probably your best bet right now – plenty of jobs and an expanding industry. You can do specialist courses such as bodyguarding, defensive driving, escape and evasion, and so on.
And as I said, if you are prepared to chop and change, progress can be rapid.

The lure of making more money really almost got to me, and the fact that I like driving too. But you have a good point here, which I didn’t consider. I guess I will see where security job will lead me in the short term. Although I’m really considering going for HVAC this winter. Or even electrical technician starting in September.

MGTOW AKBAR

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

UPS in the states pays well, BUT the drivers RUN ALL DAY.

I used to know a UPS driver and he used to say to me, “You don’t see too many “old” drivers, do you???” He told me because either they left, got injured, or if the few that hung around long enough were able to “move up” to driving the 18 wheelers.

Personally, the security job sounds like a good gig, and if you have to pick up another part-time gig until you can find out for sure when/if the security thing will go full time then it MIGHT be worth hanging in there on a part-time basis, but hey that’s all up to you and your bills.

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[Aroused By Her AnguishParticipant 343]

DO NOT work for UPS!

I work for the United States Postal Service. Part of my job required me to work with FedEx and UPS employees. The UPS will not treat you like a human being. They will treat you like a number! Trust me! I was lucky enough to get a promotion which no longer requires me to work with mail anymore, so I don’t get to see the FedEx or UPS guys anymore. Just know that your best bet is to stick with your current situation. Tough it out until you do get that full-time position. You seem like a young guy. The older you become, the more valuable you will become. Just take things slowly and avoid marriage. At least avoid getting married to an American woman.

[StealthParticipant 5340]

They sound similar and both include unknown factors. Sounds like you can’t go wrong & either one would be a good choice.

I general, I tend to say follow the money. You will learn skills along the way.

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[StealthParticipant 5340]

Aroused By Her Anguish wrote:

The UPS will not treat you like a human being. They will treat you like a number!

I hear this criticism about workplaces. I always think: are you looking for a job . . . or a mother?
Safety requirements aside, it’s not your employer’s duty to treat you nicely. You ARE a number to them, just as they are to you. Quality of work/life balance exists in corporate offices to attract talent & minimize turnover. But in unskilled labor, nobody cares—-and they’re not supposed to, as long as the machine keeps moving.

Just remember you’re there for a paycheck, not to be caressed like a cat. Welcome to the industrial revolution.

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[Gravel PitParticipant]

Only you can decide… everyone here had great points, all of them.

I think you should press them for the full time position they said they were offering. Tell them you need full time work and you will find it whether its here or not. Push the point!

If they cant give you that, me personally, Id drop that sh!t job and deliver boxes… keeps you in shape, keeps you sharp. No desk jockey bs or women to deal with…

Being a driver is an OFP Job, true mgtow style. Own Fvcking Program. Ive never been one but I wouldnt mind trying. If youre a UPS truck, you can park anywhere you want, fvck them! They need their g@yass packages so youre above the law… People are addicted to mail.

Dont expect to be paid well anywhere… we’re destined to be poor for life and never retire

[Russky2Participant 3086]

Aroused By Her Anguish wrote:

DO NOT work for UPS!
I work for the United States Postal Service. Part of my job required me to work with FedEx and UPS employees. The UPS will not treat you like a human being. They will treat you like a number! Trust me! I was lucky enough to get a promotion which no longer requires me to work with mail anymore, so I don’t get to see the FedEx or UPS guys anymore. Just know that your best bet is to stick with your current situation. Tough it out until you do get that full-time position. You seem like a young guy. The older you become, the more valuable you will become. Just take things slowly and avoid marriage. At least avoid getting married to an American woman.

Have you worked for them as a driver though? And I’m 33, feel like my age for sure.

MGTOW AKBAR

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Russky2 wrote:

Their requirements is that I need to be able to read a map, which at this time I don’t have that skill and don’t know how hard it would be. They also don’t allow GPS devices, so navigation for me would suck

No, it’s not that they don’t allow a GPS.
It’s that they aren’t going to give you a GPS (so you have to use your own) so they don’t have to take responsibility about GPS errors.

Just use your GPS with critical thinking and you’ll be fine.
First rule: deactivate the voice mode of your GPS.

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[iMickey503Participant 12465]

I think at 33, you got your advice. GET INTO THE TRADES NOW! Like it or not, work is just work. If you like doing it and can do it without thinking, even better. The less bulls~~~, the less people notice you, the better it is.

that $2 canucks does sound better, but then you have to think about responsibility. Remember Lester from that one movie where he got a job in a drive thru?

Sometimes, having a job is just that.

Have you looked into Selling Cocaine? I mean, you can use your own asshole to make money just like the Hard working peeps at the Truck stops TFM keeps talking about! 🙂

And as a Added Bonus, you can actually say that you are not full of s~~~ on your resume’ 🙂

No good advice, but enjoy the day.

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[Deadly RaverParticipant]

After reading the post, I say stick with the security job and brush up on your knowledge. Like others are saying, getting a trades job will help out since there will always be a need, and therefore there will always be work. The UPS job is a bit too much of a risk IMO.

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[Mr. SpockParticipant 10911]

I look at the GPS device issue another way. Smartphones have GPS devices in them and this can be a clever way to ban your use of your cell phone. Cellphones also have cameras as well so you can see that there may be an underlying reason why it’s worded as not allowing GPS devices. It sounds less suspicious than “no cell phones allowed”.

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[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

you need to call punt formation we in mgtow know that we have to look out for what is best for you

[Russky2Participant 3086]

Deadly Raver wrote:

After reading the post, I say stick with the security job and brush up on your knowledge. Like others are saying, getting a trades job will help out since there will always be a need, and therefore there will always be work. The UPS job is a bit too much of a risk IMO.

Based on all the pros and cons and all of the input from this thread, I did indeed decided to stick with the security job. Although there are some people to deal with, if I ghost as much as possible nobody should give me s~~~ for doing or not doing what they think I should do or not. Thank you everyone for the input! Much appreciated!!

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[Russky2Participant 3086]

And I will be starting a 2 year HRAC program at local community college here. I feel like eventually I will be more useful to myself and more valuable to others (minus women). Although I’m still contemplating doing electrical program too.

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