Nearly 50% of working age Americans not in the workforce. (Blame grass eaters)

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

So here we go again with the same lame excuses, video games, and Japan. What they are failing to realize is there is no incentive for men to go bust their tail thanks to the Western culture degrading men, telling men they are no longer needed, and allowing women to trample over them with their proxy government. There is no reason to get off the couch.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To Give wrote:

So here we go again with the same lame excuses, video games, and Japan. What they are failing to realise is there is no incentive for men to go bust their tail thanks to the Western culture degrading men, telling men they are no longer needed, and allowing women to trample over them with their proxy government. There is no reason to get off the couch.

The elite WANT US TO WORK HARD…thus injecting shaming tactics into society……these days the word “relax” is a BIG NO NO. F~~~ that s~~~…I relax how I want and when I want. I am happy this is happening, men opting out and doing the bare minimum. Bleed this system dry until it dies off. Don’t feed it. The government can pay for cat starter kits for the feminists.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[GrumpyParticipant]

meh
After thousands of years of men supporting societies perhaps men have just had enough of it already.
Add in being over taxed, additional fees for everything, welfare, a slew of extra levies on what you earn, and being punished for being a straight man. Is it any surprise that men are just doing enough to provide for themselves?

Perhaps the answer is to make ALL the women work and support us for a few decades.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

If working hard paid off:

Well, then Mexican day laborers would be millionaires.

Bottom line is. Nobody wants to ‘work hard’ anymore because there is no real benefit to it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. . . . . . .

Tell me some more isolated rags to riches stories that are nothing more than carrots on a stick used as a motivator to keep wage slaves pushing forward despite logic and reason telling them it’s all a joke.

I work the equivalent of about 104 days a year (about 8-9 days a month), self employed and I live like a rockstar making less than $50k a year.

The key is not having anybody relying on you: wife, kids or a girlfriend.

I’ve been jumping out of planes for the last two weeks. Living off $6 a day worth of food and minimizing my expenses.

Don’t get trapped in the cosmic mind f~~~ of being conditioned into getting up for an alarm clock, sitting in traffic, clocking in at 9am, clocking out at 5pm Monday to Friday and then being f~~~ing delusionarily grateful for your ‘job’ while those with real wealth that control your life, sit back smirking and laughing their sick f~~~ing asses off at how freakin’ stupid you are and how easily trained and passive you are.

F~~~ ’em all.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22526]

Blame those not working for not having jobs, instead of those that have destroy the jobs in this western society.

This is another blame the victim tactic.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

MGTOW aside, I believe that if your able to work, male or female, you should be employed and contribute to society and your own social wellbeing.

Yet, the round table got it wrong – it’s not males as the biggest offenders but females. Single mom’s who use reproduction, Uncle Sam, and “depression” as a meal ticket to never work. Also, like the OP stated, men have no role in society so their is no incentive to work a minimum wage job when the same quality of life can be deemed with a government cheque. But, this is to a much lesser extent.

Honestly, even though it infuriates me at times, I don’t blame these system surfers. If I was in a minimum wage job doing menial work, I would do the same thing. Why not? Ride that social benefit train off the tracks and only work when you absolutely have too.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[shaunozParticipant 512]

the problem with working is this – the way that society is set up , there is no guarantee that you get to (a) keep or (b) enjoy, the proceeds of hard work. So when you are young and idealistic, and dont realise that marriage is a horrible deal for men, then you work hard for years blissfully ignorant of the fact that you may, or may not, ever see the fruits of that hard work. Then after you lose the lot, and don’t need to support others, you realise that working outside the system, for cash, means you can sustain the same lifestyle for about 10% of the working effort (like about one day per two weeks is enough) and nothing is “future based”… it is all – real / in my hand now / in cash … or i go back to the gym or the beach or TV or walking the dog or …. 😉

[Anonymous 3]

Only slaves and serfs worked for most of history.

Actually, I barely work now. I do work sometimes just for quick cash, but I try to limit it to under 6 months a year.

That being said, I put in 80 hour work weeks when I was younger, precisely so that I could be in this position now that I’m older.

If capitalism fails, we are all going to be screwed anyway. But chances are the elites want it to fail even less than I do. Apparently only 10% of Americans own stocks or something ridiculous like that. That’s too bad, stocks and bonds are far more reliable than any job I’ve ever had. Plus I only get taxed at 15% on most of it.

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

And as far as working hard goes:

If there is no reasonable and concrete benefit then you are being played by the system and the sick f~~~s that benefit from your hard work.

Side note: My condo is paid off –

But:

That was only possible because I didn’t spend my money on crap. (including furniture)

I sleep on a mattress on the floor with no box spring or frame under it. All of my clothes are in boxes.

I have not had a television (and accompanying cable) in over twelve years.

An old couch in the living room that I got for free and only have it so my dog has something to chill on when he is home for a few hours alone.

My coffee table is a piece of plywood supported by two boxes.

In my kitchen: A fork, spoon, two knives, a bowl and one plate.

I have a single towel that I use to dry off with when I get out of the shower.

And I got the blanket that I sleep with on my bed for $7.99 at Goodwill. My pillow is a duffel bag that I stuffed with old shirts to give it some form.

If you are following me up to this point: Wake up!! Stop feeding their bulls~~~, three ring f~~~ing circus sideshow.

Get out. Let it all go and don’t look back.

If I have to, I can take off and roll anywhere I want in less than a week and rent my condo out, generating some income after paying the HOA dues and property taxes or sell it in less than three weeks. I’m in a market where agents have been knocking on my door to let me know they have pools of qualified buyers begging to get anything here.

I occasionally let them in and now might be a great time to mention this. They look down and don’t care that I don’t have any flooring. I pulled the carpet a year ago because I have a 14 year old dog that is sick and the carpet eventually got stained.

I walk on f~~~ing concrete!!

Wake up. It’s not about what you present to the world or appear to have. I drive a Jeep that is over ten years old but could pay cash tomorrow for a 2017 Jeep Rubicon.

Break the chains. Set yourself free.

Embrace the journey as a sovereign entity.

I don’t go to Starbucks. I buy a grocery store brand of coffee pouches that I empty into hot water. 50 pouches cost 17.99 – That is .36 cents per cup of coffee.

I could go on and on.

You only have one life and the clock is ticking. Invest in experience and personal adventures. Get the passion and fire back that you felt as a young man. As a young man BEFORE you hit puberty. BEFORE you were chemically altered within to start seeing the world differently and your own self worth was fractured, leading into your teen years and beyond because you tragically aligned your self worth with whether or not you were good enough for the kind of pussy you wanted to f~~~, and whether it actually wanted you to f~~~ it.

OK.

Now. I’m exhausted after all that. I need to slam a few more Redhook IPAs, fire up some OG Kush and put on the new Megadeth disc.

Peace, namaste,. . . .

Deo Vindice

SKY-0

[Anonymous 25]

all women want equality so I’m sure they all will be on the phone to the Government this morning demanding Government programmes and that millions be spent to smash this glass ceiling against men

because everyone knows not all women are like that

/sarcasm off

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Someday the welfare checks may stop coming because we don’t have enough people paying income taxes. Then what? Riots in the streets.

I don’t understand why my fellow Americans want to import more poor people from socially dysfunctional countries when we haven’t solved our own social problems. Increasing the number of poor people means: more welfare and crime.

The only good news I see in this situation is: I’ll have a better chance of getting another job. I may even find a part-time job to make extra money.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Anonymous 6]

Thanks Obama

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

Anonymous wrote:

Thanks Obama

It’s all been part of a well orchestrated master plan that has been in place long before Obama came along.

Just like every other president, he was just another part in the machine and a trained puppet.

It’s all bigger and more complex than just one president.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Sky-O wrote:

I sleep on a mattress on the floor with no box spring or frame under it. All of my clothes are in boxes.

Sky-O: Your setup is similar to mine. I keep my clothes in laundry baskets, and I sleep on a mattress.

I can’t afford to buy furniture, so I decided to have a “f~~~ it” attitude about luxuries.

When I get my debts paid off, I’ll be able to buy some of the stuff I want. I’m just learning how to be patient and frugal right now.

Once a week, I treat myself to a movie and a pizza. Without that, I’d go nuts.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[NoMoreParticipant 1233]

Sky-O wrote:

And as far as working hard goes:

If there is no reasonable and concrete benefit then you are being played by the system and the sick f~~~s that benefit from your hard work.

Side note: My condo is paid off –

But:

That was only possible because I didn’t spend my money on crap. (including furniture)

I sleep on a mattress on the floor with no box spring or frame under it. All of my clothes are in boxes.

I have not had a television (and accompanying cable) in over twelve years.

An old couch in the living room that I got for free and only have it so my dog has something to chill on when he is home for a few hours alone.

My coffee table is a piece of plywood supported by two boxes.

In my kitchen: A fork, spoon, two knives, a bowl and one plate.

I have a single towel that I use to dry off with when I get out of the shower.

And I got the blanket that I sleep with on my bed for $7.99 at Goodwill. My pillow is a duffel bag that I stuffed with old shirts to give it some form.

If you are following me up to this point: Wake up!! Stop feeding their bulls~~~, three ring f~~~ing circus sideshow.

Get out. Let it all go and don’t look back.

If I have to, I can take off and roll anywhere I want in less than a week and rent my condo out, generating some income after paying the HOA dues and property taxes or sell it in less than three weeks. I’m in a market where agents have been knocking on my door to let me know they have pools of qualified buyers begging to get anything here.

I occasionally let them in and now might be a great time to mention this. They look down and don’t care that I don’t have any flooring. I pulled the carpet a year ago because I have a 14 year old dog that is sick and the carpet eventually got stained.

I walk on f~~~ing concrete!!

Wake up. It’s not about what you present to the world or appear to have. I drive a Jeep that is over ten years old but could pay cash tomorrow for a 2017 Jeep Rubicon.

Break the chains. Set yourself free.

Embrace the journey as a sovereign entity.

I don’t go to Starbucks. I buy a grocery store brand of coffee pouches that I empty into hot water. 50 pouches cost 17.99 – That is .36 cents per cup of coffee.

I could go on and on.

You only have one life and the clock is ticking. Invest in experience and personal adventures. Get the passion and fire back that you felt as a young man. As a young man BEFORE you hit puberty. BEFORE you were chemically altered within to start seeing the world differently and your own self worth was fractured, leading into your teen years and beyond because you tragically aligned your self worth with whether or not you were good enough for the kind of pussy you wanted to f~~~, and whether it actually wanted you to f~~~ it.

OK.

Now. I’m exhausted after all that. I need to slam a few more Redhook IPAs, fire up some OG Kush and put on the new Megadeth disc.

Peace, namaste,. . . .

Deo Vindice

SKY-0

This sums up how I felt before getting married. In college I house-sat, slept in my truck, crashed on couches, and occasionally rented a place. I scraped enough money together to backpack and study abroad in Europe for a semester and had the best time of my life staying in hostels.

When I finished medical school, my friends would joke how I’d end up in some expensive house with nice cars. I always laughed and told them that I didn’t need that crap. They knew I didn’t buy into over-consumption and extravagance..

And then I got married…

A co-worker recently told me, "If you want to see who someone really is, divorce them." I have found out how true this is. When your wife drops the façade of being the caring partner, you will witness all of the greed, hate, and spite that she has masked. It is truly breathtaking!

[X11Spectator 4520]

I use old car seats for chairs, pretty awesome actually.

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Sky-O wrote:

If working hard paid off:

Well, then Mexican day laborers would be millionaires.

Bottom line is. Nobody wants to ‘work hard’ anymore because there is no real benefit to it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. . . . . . .

Tell me some more isolated rags to riches stories that are nothing more than carrots on a stick used as a motivator to keep wage slaves pushing forward despite logic and reason telling them it’s all a joke.

The reality of it is, this is how you get ahead in life:

1. Increase your income
2. Decrease your expenses
3. Invest your saved income into passive income sources (businesses, real estate, equities, etc.)

I don’t care if you’re making 6 figures or you’re a dishwasher at your local diner. You’re only as wealthy as:

Your income – your expenses + your assets

People are always saying that if they made $XXX more a month/year/whatever that they would be able to have a good life. But the reality is, your expenses tend to increase as your income increases. You have to make sure that doesn’t happen.

POOR people rent and demand instant gratification.
RICH people OWN ASSETS and DELAY gratification.

Debt is only good if you’re using it to either reduce your expenses (for example, if a mortgage payment is cheaper than rent), or leveraging your money (for example, borrowing money in order to buy rental properties and benefit from monthly cash flow, appreciation, and the fact that your tenants are paying down your mortgage).

Debit is only good if it BENEFITS you by giving you MORE money. Using someone else’s money to make more money is SMART. Using someone else’s money to buy yourself toys that you can’t afford is STUPID!

[Anonymous 5]

I’m the same as many of the brothers here. I’ve got no house payments, car payments or any other type of payments. I use a credit card for convenience and I pay it off immediately.
My financial security didn’t fall from the sky either. I did insane hours on insanely hard and stressful work. I didn’t p~~~ it down the drain like most of the people around me at the time either.
I don’t buy junk food of any type, including 85%-90% of food in supermarkets.
I spend time and effort in food preparation. It’s enjoyable.
I buy vegetables on special because they’re most likely in season, most probably fresh because of turnover and there’s always something different on special which gives me variety.
When you realize the majority of stuff you used to spend money on was really spending money to impress women, you suddenly have no need for 90% of materialism.

Eyeswideopen wrote:

MGTOW aside, I believe that if your able to work, male or female, you should be employed and contribute to society and your own social wellbeing.

Having said all that I agree wholeheartedly with Eyeswideopens quote. It’s not about money, it’s about your quality of life. Having financial security gives you the constant option of saying no when it suits you.
I make sure I have almost constant part time work but I never exceed 3 days a week and I prefer two days. I’m happy with just my couple of days.
I still put away a substantial amount of cash every year.
As soon as the business gets clever and starts getting me to cover too much sick time, holiday time and long service for other employees, on top of my days, I f~~~ it off. Very few of them take me seriously when I tell them I don’t want too much extra work.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Anonymous wrote:

stocks and bonds are far more reliable than any job I’ve ever had

Do you trade full time? Stocks and bonds seem very risky at worst, and are well below inflation rate at best.

FunInTheSun wrote:

Someday the welfare checks may stop coming because we don’t have enough people paying income taxes. Then what? Riots in the streets.

Unless Trump can stop it, the welfare checks will never stop coming. Uncle Sam will export our inflation as long as possible, and then hyper-inflate, causing massive starvation and economic displacement. War will ensue, and population will decrease greatly.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Man kind. The time has come, you worked hard for more than 2000 years… is time to rest.

Let woman kind to do what we used to do, and to take control of society.

Man up and say NO

Sit back, relax and enjoy. Cheers gentlemen.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

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