My poor father

[ShimshParticipant 237]

My father is a good man, as an immigrant he came to this western country where i live, studied to be a dentist in language he doesnt know at age of 25, and had me with my mother at age 26, then he worked 17 years providing me and my brother a with a life we would never get back where they came from. At 43 he leaves my mom because she drove him insane and finds a new wife to have a child with.

Last week i was talking to him about how i plan to retire at 55 ( 25 now) by saving up a large part of my sallary after i graduate ( studying for CPA) since im not a consumerist and barely have any need for new s~~~. He says i can never save anything on 4k USD a month ( after tax) and retiring at 55 is a dream. When i tell him i did the math, and by aggressively saving untill 55 i can retire comfortably and live off of interest in a comfortable manner if i have no children or obligations (which i dont because he was great enough to save 30k for my university fund and its almost 90% subsidised where i live if you qualify for uni).

He was shocked i wasnt planning on having children or ever marrying so i wont be raped out half my pension fund and half my assets, he started to tell me all these emotional reasons why i should strive for a family and how its great having kids- then i told him i did the math for him as well – if he lived in the same conditions he lives in now without a 3 year old daughter and a wife( s~~~ty 3 bedroom appartment at a s~~~ city), with his salary he could retire at 50 and live very very well if he saved enough of his 120k net and had never married or had kids, he says- “but then you wouldnt exist”, and i said, “that would probably be for the best for us both”.

Fuck E'm

[Anonymous 42]

Marriage means divorce.

Children mean child support payments.

Both can easily land you in PRISON!

Where’s the FUN in THAT???

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3766]

Well, stick to the plan, man.

I doubt you’ll ever persuade him of anything else than what he has known, but at least YOU see clearly.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

My mother told me: “if I knew what this world wold become, I woldnt have had any of you”

I told her: “and I wold be glad if you didn’t “

That’s the truth gentlemens, s~~~ is f~~~ed up, cucked up, jerked off and s~~~ted on.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Shimsh wrote:

My father is a good man, as an immigrant he came to this western country

Same. But my Dad died about 15 years ago. This website is actually partially (and silently) dedicated to my father. He was a motivator in a way.

When I was about 19 , I bought every member of my family a $1 lottery ticket. The jackpot was around 30 million. At the time, that was a BIG pot. When it was just the two of us watching TV, I asked him what he would do if he won.

Without hesitating, he said “I would give you $5 million. Your brother $5 million. Your mother $5 million….. and I would f~~~ off to my home country”.

( ^^ exact words, by the way ^^ )

Until that moment, I would NEVER have guessed he had any resentment and never let on that being a husband and a father was something he didn’t really want. IN fact, he remained a husband and father until he died. But I never forgot what he said.

Many years later, my Mom told me a story about one time Dad considered leaving his long time “stable” job for a better opportunity. She convinced him to stay right where he was , for the sake of “security” – because of his mortgage and the kids – and his pension she would one day live off. So in a way, she was a “dream killer” and he never pursued other options.

He remained right where he was until the day he died. A dutiful husband and father – and a “slave” to his mortgage, wife and kids. But he didn’t really WANT to. I was the only one who put 2-and-2 together.

My Dad was the quietest man I ever knew. And it wasn’t until many years after his death that I understood everything he did NOT say out loud.

So listen to your manstincts.

My brother made the same kind of choices – is married with 2 daughters, still works is way out of a mountain of debt, and still lives within 5 minutes from my mom. He even lived at home until he was about 26. But I was out the house at barely 18 and started my first job overseas. I decided at an early age “that world” was too small for me. And as a result, I was the adventurer in our family and have lived in 6 cities internationally.

I did the EXACT opposite from my brother and the choices others would have made for me. You could even say because of my Dad. He was a “MGHOW” in spirit, and I’m living the life he didn’t GET to live.

Shimsh wrote:

He was shocked I wasnt planning on having children or ever marrying

This is where I would come back and ask “WHY is that shocking? 70% of men in North America over 35 are not married…. and married is at a 97-year low. I’m actually shocked you think there’s any benefit for a man to sign a marriage contract. And PS. Did you know 60% of all men who ever lived on Earth never had kids… so why are you pretending that’s up to ME anyway?”.

Give them something to really think about.
Because you already know the score.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 3]

Shimsh wrote:

“but then you wouldnt exist”,

Yes, the classic argument: children owe their fathers for their life.

Just like fathers owe their own fathers for their life. So, everyone is repaying the generational never ending debt…

The unmarried son is seen as the black sheep because he does not repay. He does not sacrifice like others have before him.

But this has no sense. If my father had the idea of cutting his hand, was I supposed to cut mine to?

Are we to share misery as a form of solidarity?

And see it from the other side: how can I demand sacrifices from my son, just because I have done it?

You said it yourself:”he worked 17 years providing me and my brother a with a life we would never get back where they came from.”

So fathers actually want to spare kids the difficulties they went through. Yet, they demand that they marry…

I wish no such evil to my son.

[Anonymous 54]

He sees thing in an Emotiinal way.

The numbers wont mean a damned thing to him.

Just tell him you love him, but you are your own Man.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Shimsh wrote:

He was shocked i wasnt planning on having children or ever marrying

“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”
-Morpheus

Your Father is shocked, but YOU shouldn’t be. He’s Blue Through and Through.

He got Divorced from your Mother because she was driving him insane. So, what does he do ? He runs right out and finds a replacement model.

Accept him for who HE is, and focus YOUR Energies on YOURSELF and YOUR Life.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Deadly RaverParticipant]

Awesome man. And he’s dead wrong that you can’t save up on 4k a month. That’s right at what I get and I’m disabled. I can live on HALF of it if I keep my spending under control and either deposit the rest or invest. You’re 25? Man, you’ll most likely be able to retire before 55 if you put the money in the right spots. I’ll say stick to your plan and you’ll be living on easy street or wherever else you want to go by 50.

Learn from the past, Control the present, and you will know the Future.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

PS. Did you know by the time the AVERAGE working man – unmarried with no kids – is 50 he can easily have $350K more in the bank?

Think about it. $250K average price of rising a kid to 18. And the properly invested cost of a $25K ring?? Take that to the bank instead. How hard would it really be for you to sock that kind of money away for yourself? Divided over 30 years.

This morning after a 2 hour workout & walk, I treated myself to a late breakfast out. Basically I paid $15 for eggs, bacon & juice I could have made at home. But at least I didn’t buy “HER” breakfast too. Can take that to the bank.

Shimsh wrote:

retiring at 55 is a dream

Then here’s to your dream. (raises a glass)
Don’t ever let a woman kill it. Because she will if you let her.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

KeyMaster wrote:Same. But my Dad died about 15 years ago. This website is actually partially (and silently) dedicated to my father. He was a motivator in a way.

Great dedication He is still with you in spirit KM

My father died in 1999
My father gave his name to five children from two
failed marriages I was his first born and the only
son he got custody of (only begotten)ha ha
I believe heaven is where the heart is
and I am dedicating the rest of my remaining
time of life to his bucket list. He was 55 when
diagnosed with cancer. I am 55 now and he is
picking up where he left off. I am a slave to
the spirit of my heavenly father now.

I will write the books he wanted to write.
In his identity.

Your father loves this dedication.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 54]

I was hopeing you would say that.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

harpo-my-“SON” wrote:

Great dedication He is still with you in spirit KM

I can’t tell you how good it is to see you again @harpomason.
Thank you for visiting and your very kind comment.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 3]

Carnage wrote:

My mother told me: “if I knew what this world wold become, I woldnt have had any of you”

I told her: “and I wold be glad if you didn’t “

That’s the truth gentlemens, s~~~ is f~~~ed up, cucked up, jerked off and s~~~ted on.

I feel the same way, that’s why I refused to have children. And if you don’t have children, marriage is a stupid idea as well. And really at some point if you’re not married and locked in, being around women is horrendous and intolerable (you find this out in your early to mid thirties).

The world is f~~~ed up, especially the Western world, and I oftentimes find myself rooting for the third world Muslims to breed and take over everything else. Not because the world will improve with them under the helm or anything, but just because it would shake things up and change things.

[Anonymous 1]

My father recently moved into my house. Bringing with him his blue pilled ways. It has been very difficult watching him making the same mistakes. Just starting his divorce from number two with number three waiting for his divorce.

She got a ring for Christmas.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Anonymous wrote:

Just starting his divorce from number two with number three waiting for his divorce.

She got a ring for Christmas.

I just DON’T GET WHY so Many Men don’t LEARN. There’s obviously a failure to communicate.

When the day comes that I can part from my lil Cupcake, that will be the LAST Wife of my Life.

F~~~ Man, One was One TOO Many; I just couldn’t, nor do I have the desire yo eeven date some ole Post Wall Used up Bitchin Naggin Hole never Mind to Bring it home to be my Wifey Numero Deuce.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 7]

Even though my father had grandchildren from my siblings I knew he was disappointed from the fact I never married and produced no offspring.

Still, I think he understood why.

I miss my pops and I hope you don’t allow the differences to come between you.

[ForeverDoneParticipant 2928]

Agree with you on many aspects. Children and marriage today are just too damn high and expensive. I did the cost benefit analysis like you did with my parents years ago and they came back with the same answer as your Dad. I also replied similar to the way you did. They were shocked, not exactly sure why they were.

A woman’s hole should have an off switch until she is ready (emotionally and financially) to handle a child; let alone a few of them. These days, people do not live for tomorrow, they live for today. That is the reason why many people are in trouble within their lives. This is my opinion, of course.

[ForeverDoneParticipant 2928]

Keymaster wrote:

PS. Did you know by the time the AVERAGE working man – unmarried with no kids – is 50 he can easily have $350K more in the bank?

Think about it. $250K average price of rising a kid to 18. And the properly invested cost of a $25K ring?? Take that to the bank instead. How hard would it really be for you to sock that kind of money away for yourself? Divided over 30 years.

This morning after a 2 hour workout & walk, I treated myself to a late breakfast out. Basically I paid $15 for eggs, bacon & juice I could have made at home. But at least I didn’t buy “HER” breakfast too. Can take that to the bank.

Shimsh wrote:

retiring at 55 is a dream

Then here’s to your dream. (raises a glass)
Don’t ever let a woman kill it. Because she will if you let her.

Why would anyone spend 25k on a ring? I spent around 2.2k or so on a ring and I still think that is too much. Maybe I am missing something.

[Anonymous 42]

ForeverDone wrote:

Why would anyone spend 25k on a ring? I spent around 2.2k or so on a ring and I still think that is too much.

Here’s the only “ring” I ever put on anything! Modern women are welcome to wear it around their necks and suck a bunch of dicks just like a public toilet!

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