My mother wants me to go MGTOW?

[ProjectParticipant 507]

Well I had a crazy day, with lots of crazy stuff happening and when I came home my mother suddenly wanted to have tell something me.

Now the conversation was about the fact that people will not see me as a man if I don’t get a wife and she was against this, the new was about this(again). What she said next blew me away. Now this is 100% true and I would be willing to give an oath on it. I apologize if some of it doesn’t make sense but that is because we talked in another language and it’s kind hard to translate some of the expressions and words.

Quote:
“Dear son. In your life there will be women and other men who will say you are not a man if you don’t have a wife and kids. Now don’t listen to these dumb people. The definition of men are different from culture to culture, country to country, year to year.

Most women these days are lunatics and 1 dinar whores and that is not a life I want for you. You have a very bright future with you and I do not want to see you get married with one of these women that have been with hundreds of men and later down the line divorce and she ends with half your stuff and you may pay for child support.

What I want for you is to be happy, be a man that goes his own way to happiness and not the way to the pit the society sets up for you, that is all I will ask for you as a mother”

I dunno where and how my dad met my mother but I have to say he won the lottery, they have been with married to each other since they were 19 and my parents are 49 close to 50 years old now.

I tried to talk with some of my friends about this by subtly trying to extract information if it’s normal for mothers say things like this… Because honestly right now I’m cautious as heck if she is testing me or not.

I mean how should I respond to this? She has given me time to think about this and give an response to what she told and I have no idea how respond.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Sorry man this is a s~~~ test—you can’t take what she said at face value—betcha she has such a “nice” upstanding girl in mind for you—not at all like the typical whore—you just watch and see.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Sounds like your mom sees the truth and is not influenced by societies norms. She is more concerned with your happiness and not hers and is willing to sacrifice grandchildren to see that you are happy. Is she testing you? Only you know her well enough to decide that. Even if she is testing you, take the words at face value and do as she asked with no harm to yourself.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[UltimateCDParticipant 61]

even if it is a s~~~ test i would still take the advice and move on

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

“Thanks, ma. I’ll do that. Yuo’re one of the good ones.”

Then refuse to engage in any more conversations about romance and marriage.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Project wrote:

1 dinar whores

I’m going to have to use that one. Soon.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Your mother shared her wisdom with you because she wants what’s best for you.

My mother gave me the same advice but I did not heed it. My mother advised me to get a Russian bride and not to allow her to speak English. She said it was the only chance a man in America had. She had lost all hope for women in America. My father just chuckled.

Peace brothers

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

I give her the benefit of the doubt on this one, because it is good advice.

As much as we like to unburden ourselves here and share broad horror stories, there are a couple of good ones out there. But it is still wise to assume they are all f~~~ed until they prove themselves otherwise.

[Writing Desk RavenParticipant 460]

Project wrote:

I tried to talk with some of my friends about this by subtly trying to extract information if it’s normal for mothers say things like this…

I was the best man at a friend’s wedding this weekend. The last one I’ll ever be a part of (and I made no bones about my disapproval of the process, albeit overshadowed by my support for him).

My mom’s still trying to play matchmaker and says passive-aggressive, emotionally-manipulative things like “I just want you to be happy” (you know, as long as it doesn’t harm her happiness), but the great tragedy is she’s just an idealistic uber-traditionalist and this is “how things are”. I’m not robbing my mother of her agency here or making excuses for her: she is legitimately trapped by the belief that “marriage + house + kids + grow old” is the formula for “real” happiness and I can see that — in her childish unwillingness to accept any other iteration of reality — it genuinely wounds her that I disagree.

And yet, in light of that, during the reception I was seated at a table with my parents and my (purple-pilled) best friend with his wife. My mom was making sly comments about them “finding me a good woman” that my mate was artfully shooting down and I was making no bones about my disapproval of her doing this.

Maybe it was the wedding, maybe the wine, but she got this strangely reflective look on her face and said “You know, after [my last ex-girlfriend]… I don’t blame you for not wanting to get married. I lose sleep over the thought of you being put through hell by a woman who doesn’t have your best interests at heart. I’ll worry, but if you’re happy being on your own, that’s all I could ask for.” And that was it; conversation moved on, never came up again.

Moral of the story is that even if a mother has bought hook-line-and-sinker into the social narrative of marriage and relationships, if she’s still around in your life, your best interests can still supersede all that bulls~~~ in her mind… even for only fleeting glimpses and slivers of time. Whether she tells you something entirely different tomorrow, I don’t doubt she meant every word at the moment she said it and it’s probably as honest as she’s going to be with you.

Granted, there’s a s~~~load of issues with our relationship that I’m probably going to be uncovering childhood nightmares from over my next stretch of The Path, but I’m of the mind that those direct, open talks are glimpses into the sort of woman your mother might have otherwise been and perhaps it’s not as strange as one might think for moms to say things like that and mean it, even if they twist it into something dark after the fact.

"Almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in... The danger is that of coming to love the prison." ~ C.S. Lewis

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I can’t believe what I’m reading…All you guys getting sucked into the whole “mommy has my best interests at heart” meme—talk about a threadbare trope. I’m not buying it for a second. Mother or not she is still a woman with all the baggage that comes with it—the lying, manipulation etc. There is nothing a mother wants more than grand-kids.

I think its all a plot…a machination…a dastardly clever s~~~ test and I stand by it

[ProjectParticipant 507]

PistolPete wrote:

I can’t believe what I’m reading…All you guys getting sucked into the whole “mommy has my best interests at heart” meme—talk about a threadbare trope. I’m not buying it for a second. Mother or not she is still a woman with all the baggage that comes with it—the lying, manipulation etc. There is nothing a mother wants more than grand-kids.

I think its all a plot…a machination…a dastardly clever s~~~ test and I stand by it

That is why I am so cautious. Do you think I was believing her at once? Of course I am suspicious!

My paranoia have saved me countless times.

[Writing Desk RavenParticipant 460]

PistolPete wrote:

I can’t believe what I’m reading…All you guys getting sucked into the whole “mommy has my best interests at heart” meme—talk about a threadbare trope. I’m not buying it for a second. Mother or not she is still a woman with all the baggage that comes with it—the lying, manipulation etc. There is nothing a mother wants more than grand-kids.

I think its all a plot…a machination…a dastardly clever s~~~ test and I stand by it

Note that I didn’t say my interests came above my mother’s — it takes alcohol and a moment of introspection for that to be the case for any real length of time — only that I think my interests matter to her.

But I have no illusions that my best interests are anything but tertiary to her own.

Arguably the only person I matter more to than themselves is my dad and his advice boils down to “stop giving a f~~~ about what we think and live your life”. Trying to take that advice and walk away with what scrap of parental validation my mother’s ever going to give me (ideally before she tries to take it back because she’s such a poor, innocent, put-upon victim of her circumstances).

Even the Devil tells the truth; no sense in discarding it because you disapprove of the source. A lot of us were royally mindf~~~ed by our own mothers; there’s a lot of deprogramming that needs to happen and it isn’t going to be all at once, but there’s still some shard of good that can be taken from it.

"Almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in... The danger is that of coming to love the prison." ~ C.S. Lewis

[Old RottweilerParticipant 1520]

Even if you mother did not mean what she said, when you MGTOW you can remind her of what she said.

You took her advice, you’re not going to change now.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

The most important thing is if you are mentally set to go MGTOW.

Do you go MGTOW based on the validation of others or you had done your research and is set that MGTOW is the best way in life for you?

It is your life decision here. Praise or criticism does not matter. Validation of other people does not matter. The most important factor is based on your own research and decision, is MGTOW the best for your life?

For the less important factor if your mom is a unicorn or not.

In nature there will always be a small group in a species that does not do as the rest of the species does. There will always be a niches in the species.
http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/the-maintenance-of-species-diversity-13240565
Logically NAWALT should exist in the human species. However their number will be excruciatingly low and they are almost extinct with the constant bombardment from the social media, peer pressure, hive thought process.

It is possible that she may mean what she said at that time. However most women are fickle minded, and may change their mind if enough people convince her. You should know your mom better then me, how often does she change her mind?

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[bladeParticipant]

Maybe your mum was dropping a hint with the one dinar whores . Stick with the whores and f~~~ your brains out then once you got a full stomach of whores go monk .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[RorschachParticipant 2083]

Project wrote:

“Dear son. In your life there will be women and other men who will say you are not a man if you don’t have a wife and kids. Now don’t listen to these dumb people.

I like your Mom. I think its her way of saying be your own man and she will still love you. My mother has been supportive of my going my own way as well. She understands that I will not get married and has never once pressured me to be married or have kids. I think deep down me and my mom both would have loved to have kids running around but neither of us wants to deal with the female drama to get to that point and whatever hell may ensue afterwards. To those of us who have family that supports us lets be extra thankful. And for those of you whose family does not support your lifestyle, your always family here with your brothers. We will let you be you, even if noone else will.

The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"....... and i'll look down and whisper "No."

[OgreParticipant 5863]

It’s good that you are cautious. Regardless of her meaning or testing sit her down and tell her you absorbed everything she said. Use as many of the phrases that she used to validate your reasons for going your own way. If she stops you to tell you that she was testing you then you choose the time to use the fact that she is a liar, just like all of those whores that she “warned” you against.

If she supports your decision then you won. On this one particular item, concern for her son’s well-being, she gets a gold star.

Remember to compartmentalize that win for her, and always maintain the anxiety when she tells you what she thinks is best for you.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[ProjectParticipant 507]

Hello Ogre.

Thank you for your input, I thought about your advice and followed it. Well it worked, but it looked like she was actually halfway-testing me…

Even more disappointment. As Writing Desk Raven said it looks like it was one of those instances he talked about.

I want to thank you guys for your advice, I panicked quite a bit internally.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I’m glad to have helped. She moved first and it painted herself in a corner by being so extreme in her half hearted recommendation for you.

She will try again, but you laid it down honest. If she uses different approaches and you never waiver then that shows you are the one being true to yourself, and looking out for your well being.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[AttonParticipant]

Your mother has given likely some of the best advice a man could ask for. The only response you should give her is a big fat thank you.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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