my lonnnng ass intro to MGTOW

[GZUS F CHRISTParticipant 16]

<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> I was born to a 15 year old father and a 17 year old mother. Since they were just children when I was born, from ages 0-4 we lived primarily with my grandparents and from 5-11 we lived, off and on with them or stayed at the grandparents on most weekends at least. They always had food there.</span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> </span>

My grandfather was a small time contractor. He did mainly small renovations on peoples homes. He and my father would be out most days working, while my mother and her 2-3 sisters and my grandmother would sit around and literally talk about how useless men were. It was constant. They’d cut coupons out of flyers get drunk and get me to agree with them by saying s~~~ like your a good boy, you’ll make lot’s of money for your wife. Typical white knight mangina grooming that mothers often do to their sons. But anyway, I wasn’t raised by a single mother yet she bitched, complained and nagged about my father to me when he wasn’t around so often that I may as well have been.

When my parents were ‘stable’ enough to move out on their own and have their own place I learned a lot about the typical marriage. After my little sister was born, when I was 6, my parents started sleeping in separate rooms, one would either be in the bedroom or out on the couch but rarely did they sleep together and by rarely I mean I don’t ever remember them sleeping together. I thought that was weird even at my age of 7. By the time I was 9 the nagging by my mom at my dad about money was at a c~~~ level 10 out of 10.  My dad would try to get work sometimes at one of those casual labour places. I mean, he was 15 when I was born, his money making skills were limited. So when he didn’t get picked up for a job he was like f~~~ it, I’m not going home to listen to that nagging bulls~~~. Those times my mom’s complaints would shift to worry and concern by the next morning (before cellphones and computers). But when my dad eventually did come home all of that concern and worry vanished and immediately replaced by questions, accusations and demands. She would literally go on and on for hours. She was almost never satisfied until she provoked him enough to raise his voice and get mad.  Sometimes so mad he’d literally have to punch a hole through the wall to get her to shut the f~~~ up. He would start with ” babe, I don’t want to argue ok? I didn’t get out, I stayed at Mikes again last night because he lives across the street from the labour place and I thought if I got there earlier I’d have a better chance of getting out.”
My mom would scream back something like “where the f~~~ is the cheque then, where’s the f~~~ing groceries?” and sometimes it was “Well, I didn’t get out today either.” Then, my mother would proceed to lose it on my dad. My mom would always be yelling s~~~ at him about how he needed to support us (the kids) when in reality my little sister and I were fine. We weren’t starving. We actually loved our father and didn’t care if he made money that day or not. He always made it happen for us and we just wished our parents didn’t fight so much. My dad actually got out and made money more often than not but any time he didn’t bring home money, he was deemed useless and treated as if he was always just a step away from being kicked the f~~~ out.

My dad is an awesome guy. A wonderful father. He took me everywhere, always talked to me, taught me chess and every card game under the son, we’d play video games for hours, he’d take me to the theatre or long drives. Just always hung out. We spent a lot of time together. We were buddies. He was the cool dad to all my friends too. Just a laid back really cool dude and through all the s~~~ my mom put him through he never said a negative thing about her. I really admired that about him back then, and in ways I still do. Through all the screaming and yelling and threats of divorce my mom would pull, he stuck it out with her and they are still married to this day.

This relationship would serve to shape my young mind as the way men should be and what I should come to expect and accept as my role when I was older and fortunate enough to have a family of my own.

I ran away from home in 1993. I was 13. This was for 2 reasons, one the money and fighting was bad and for two, my parent’s were moving back up island with my grandparents again ‘temporarily’. Anyway, I left and was out at a young age feeling as though I was following in my fathers footsteps. The best example I ever had. I did not have a place of my own until I was 18. Actually, my first place was shared with my girlfriend so I actually didn’t have my very OWN place till I was about 23 but we’ll get to that later.
I met a girl when I was 16 that I fell in love with. We lived on the streets together. I eventually figured out how to make enough money to get us both off the streets when I was 18 and to take care of her the best I could. When I was 20 she informed me that she was pregnant. My first question was how the f~~~ are you pregnant, your on the pill and I always pull out..? She responded that sometimes it doesn’t always work. Which, later in life I learned is pretty much bulls~~~ and that’s just what women say. The pill works over 99 percent of the time. But anyway, it didn’t really bother me too much as I always kinda thought this was how my life was supposed to play out. Find a girl that you love when your like a teenager, have kids with her, pay all the bills and keep her happy. In return, she would keep the house clean, cook and change diapers.
Pretty much as soon as my son was born the sex stopped. Almost instantly and when I did get laid it was like some big f~~~ing event with candles or I’d have to get her drunk and stay up all night talking with her first. Sometimes she still wouldn’t be in the mood. So, my life as my father so began. I remember thinking I’m 20, have a girlfriend and get laid once a month at best. What the f~~~ happened to us and how can I live the rest of my life like this. I loved this chick, I really was a firm believer in being faithful and at that age and thought I had it in me to just stick it out, after all my father did.
When I was 22 I caught her cheating. I was at home with our son. A friend told me he spotted my baby momma with a guy heading into a house so I had someone watch my son and drove up to the house.  I knocked on the door. Some dude half opened the door and acknowledged that she in fact was inside, but that what she was doing was non of my business because she was a full grown female and if she wants me to know anything she will either tell me or wont tell me when she decides to go home. I left the property (under protest to put it lightly) and went home. She came home the next day while I was out getting drunk with my friends. Even then I was scrambling with how I could over look this. How I could still make this work somehow. I was so f~~~ing angry at her yet it was still ingrained in me that I had to hold the family together with two parents like my father did for my sons sake. When I got home later that day she was there and instantly she told me that I had to pack my s~~~ and go. She didn’t want to discuss anything that happened the prior night, she didn’t want to work on anything. No I’m sorry or anything like that. Just a get the f~~~ out and NOW! This was my house. My name was on the lease, I bought every single thing in there. Every piece of furniture, towel, fork, spoon, all the way down to all her make up. Everything. I paid the rent, the bills you name it. But in return all I got was a Just, a get the f~~~ out I’m not talking about it. So, after my one of my best bros dragged me out of there, I was back on the street. Again, after I swore there was no way in f~~~, I’d ever live on the streets here I was. 5 years of building a family and taking care of business like ‘a real man’ and I’m dumped. In a very cold way. I heard from my neighbour which was the same good bro that pulled me out of there, that she had her new guy over there that very next day. Her, him, and my son. He ended up moving in the following week.

Personally, at that time, the thought of being with another girl made me sick to my stomach, I thought about my ex and my son every morning and night. I was heart broken, but the most persistent thought was that I failed, as a man. I never considered that my son would come from a so called broken home like most of my friends had. I was going to handle my business like my father did. Back then my mentality was that through thick and thin I would have stood by her regardless, forever, because she was the mother of my child and I loved her. To me, back then, I thought love would see two people through any problems. Yes, I was literally that naive. What a mangina I had become.

I hadn’t talked to my ex or son for 3 months. My dad had driven down island to cruise around and help me line up an apartment and shoot the s~~~. We were walking through a parking lot when I spotted my son. He was staring right at me about 20 feet away.  I didn’t realize until that moment how much I had missed him. That was the first and last time I had cried in front of my father since I was 13. My ex was on her way to the welfare office to fill out an application. I caught up to them after I gathered myself and asked to hold my boy. She was actually pleasant and let me hold him. We talked for about 5 minutes and I asked if I could take him to a place I was moving into at the end of the month. She said yes and that she would call me to arrange a time to drop him off.
2 more months went by. She never called. I went out to our old place but it was empty. I drove around for hours with one of my friends and finally by fluke at 2 am I seen my old car pull up at the gas station. My ex got out to pump gas and three drunk dudes hopped out to go buy whatever from inside. I approached her, she was clearly half drunk and was very surprised and somehow offended that I had run into her. I asked her where she was living. She said the area and street but couldn’t remember the actual address. I asked where our son was and who was watching him. She told me he was in the back seat of the car. I was f~~~ing livid but I kept my cool and asked her if I could take him for the night so she could take the break she needed to take and go party for the night. She went for it and let me take my son home.

The next morning she was supposed to come by with bottles, clothes, diapers and formula for him because the only things she had for him when I picked him up was his car seat, a stroller and the diaper he was wearing. She, of course was a no show. By noon I called another young mom that I knew and asked her if she had any spare formula. She said she didn’t but that since it was Tuesday single parents could go to the St. Vincent after 2pm to pick up necessities like baby food etc. So, I wrapped my babies ass in a towel stuck him in the stroller and headed down town to hit up this single parent resource centre.

I was standing in line for about 5 minutes when one of the volunteer ladies came out from behind the counter, walked over to me and asked if she could help me. I told her I needed diapers and formula for my kid. She told me I’d have to come back on Thursday, thats when they handed out hampers to single people. She pointed to the sign on the door that stated Tuesdays after 2pm was for Single mothers hamper pickup only. I was utterly shocked. I told them I needed diapers and that I was a single parent. They told me that if I could produce court documents stating that I had custody of my child then they would do something for me, if not I’d have to come back Thursday. I’ve asked many single mothers if a food bank has ever asked them to produce court documents stating custodial rights in order to get food and to this day have still never herd of an instance of this happening. They are asked to bring the child’s birth certificate, next time if they don’t have it with them and always sent home with what they came for.

I didn’t know what a red or blue pill was until recently but reflecting, this was my first red pill moment. I had never realized just how many blue pills I had choked down in the past but through the course of that next year with my son I soon came to realize how men are viewed by not just women but most of society.

I own now own 2 businesses and have nice s~~~. I’m 35 and my 14 year old son has lived with JUST me ever since. The double standards that I’ve experienced over the years is f~~~ing appalling.  I’m new to MGTOW but from the video’s I’ve watched lately and the articles I’ve read, It sounds like all the s~~~ I’ve been thinking and telling my male friends about for over a decade. I still bang broads, not sure if that’s cool with the MGTOW way yet, but I’m here to learn and hopefully help out future bro’s from making some of the same mistake that myself and or my parents did.

Oh yeah, my name is Gzus. Sorry about the lonnng ass introduction.

[AxiomaticusParticipant 11]

Wow, what a story. I feel for you and your dad, that’s a s~~~load of responsibility for being so young. That is some pretty f~~~ed up s~~~ your ex pulled, but I doubt anyone here would be surprised by the way she treated you or your son; at-least I wasn’t surprised. But I was surprised you managed to get full custody of your son, outstanding and rare. So I guess there is at-least something fortunate out of the hell-storm that you’ve painted here.
As far as the banging broads thing goes that is not in conflict with the general MGTOW philosophy/view/whatever you want to call it. There are many different ideas floating around about whether it’s worth the risk (It’s totally not worth it to me, but to each his own). The one primary point virtually everyone agrees on is that one can not be married and be a MGHOW/MGTOW. Bang away, but be aware of the risks; there are many content producers who talk about how to minimize your risk and all that (Might want to check out that Tom Leykis Tabasco-condom maneuver lol). If you are brand-new to MGTOW I strongly recommend the following three MGTOW youtube channels: Barbarossa, Spetsnaz, and Stardusk (his newer content is The Thinking Ape). There are a ton of other great channels of comparable value, and some newer channels that are very promising. If you want a more comprehensive list you can always see my subscription list on my Youtube channel under the same name; Axiomaticus.
And finally – Welcome Gzus.

[GZUS F CHRISTParticipant 16]

I will definitely check out your subscription list on YouTube and your other recommendations. I have been listening to Leykis off and on since around 2004. I’ve had my son listening to him at least once a week for the past 6 months and daily since the tomeverywhere app came out. I have heard of the Tabasco condom thing but I don’t take condoms off until I’m either flushing them down the drain or else I’ll just straight up wear it out the door. Leaving one in the trash no way. That one freaks me out.
As far as marriage being the one thing MGTOW agree on being the ultimate ‘oh f~~~n hell no’… I am fully with that. I’ll never put myself in another situation as to where a female could refer to me as her boyfriend, hubby or man. And I’m constantly trying to elevate my male friends to that plane of thought. Lately when I see couples walking along, hand in hand the dude automatically comes across as to me as mentally weak. I don’t know if this is good or bad or if anyone else has that same thought but lately that’s just how it’s been for me.
Anyway, thanks for the welcome Axiomaticus.

[AxiomaticusParticipant 11]

I know exactly what you mean by the weak soul-less look in a man’s eye when he is being led about by some chick. I remember when I was married I saw a fellow man following his chick around the store with the same exhausted expression as I must have had; it was that look you get after spending a few hours shopping with a wife. We met eyes and did this non-verbal “god save us” acknowledgement of each other. It was a walking death, I’m so glad I’m free lol.
Also my channel is small and hard to find so I’ll just link my subscription page here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkWlJuZJ2wHjN2qvvi5R0wg/channels?&ab_channel=Axiomaticus
Most of them are MGTOW channels with an array of popularity, but there are a few men’s rights channels and anti-feminism channels in the mix. Some are better than others, and some I don’t have, but I’m sure you will find something you like. Enjoy and stay free.

[GZUS F CHRISTParticipant 16]

Thanks again!

[VoidraitheParticipant 477]

GZUS F CHRIST wrote:

my mother and her 2-3 sisters and my grandmother would sit around and literally talk about how useless men were.

Yeah, I’m thankful the women in my family weren’t misandric c~~~s.

[GZUS F CHRISTParticipant 16]

It was usually only when they had drinks. Which was often. But yeah, they were misandric c~~~s. In a way, I’m kind of thankful they were or else I fear  had that seed of truth not been planted at such a young age, maybe I would have been doomed to continuously repeat some drone status till it was too late.

[Anonymous 42]

Hey GFC, do whatever the f~~~ you want, that’s what MGTOW is all about! Not giving a f~~~ what women want! They don’t matter in the mind of a MGHOW, We give women “no part” of our hearts! It’s shield from being used and abused. You got the typical “f~~~ed” by a woman! Do whatever you want regarding women, but just don’t fall for their manipulation, and NEVER EVER get married again! Protect yourself at all cost! If you don’t, you’ll only get f~~~ed-over AGAIN!

[GZUS F CHRISTParticipant 16]

Ya thanks bro. So true. I’m so unbelievably thankful there is a forum that is actually JUST for men to genuinely support and educate other men on the truths regarding our role in this society. And moreover, a forum that we don’t have to sugar coat the truth for once because it may be offensive to some chick.
I’ve mentioned this forum to a few people I know, and twice was in the company of their chick friends and immediately before my male friends could even respond the female was already laughing at what her idea of this place was. They’re so threatened by the thought of losing male attention that they immediately start saying s~~~ trying to make MGTOW’s sound like a bunch of butthurt nerds that can’t score chicks, or that we are woman haters. While they giggle and roll there eyes like a child.

These chicks like to claim MGTOW is about hating woman without really knowing s~~~ about it. Because they are females, they assume if it’s a group of men that encourage other men to focus on themselves and not women, then we must automatically hate women (or be homosexual).  Because if a man isn’t interested in a woman’s emotions or what she thinks then that man must hate her or women in general. There lies the problem that got us to this point in the first place. They fail to recognize that this isn’t about them. They can’t seem to grasp the concept that it IS possible to go on in life without thinking about them in one way shape or form. To hate them would be to focus on the wrong direction.
I’ve been on this crazy MGTOW youtube marathon for the past couple months but especially this last week. It’s a strange feeling once it all really starts to kick in… Regarding how things are.. Relationships and marriages. I heard Bar Bar describe what ‘love’ is perfectly. I’ll go try and find that video and post the transcript up later.
I had a question.. Is there any MGTOW books geared towards Boys around the ages of 14 for my son? Most of these vids he might not find interesting cause they don’t really relate to things he’s come close to being through at his age. If theres nothing out there yet, then someone should get on that and in the meanwhile he’s good with Leykis.
Thanks again

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Gzus,
First, welcome to mgtow. We’re always happy to see new members here, and always interested in their introductions, whatever the circumstance. As you spend time here and read the introductions of newer members who come after you, you’ll see a vast array of different experiences and backgrounds among men who make it here. But the the thing we all have in common is that point of realization (the red pill) that women do not bring to the table anything of value that is remotely worth what they are demanding of men who seek relationships with them. Once that realization is achieved, a man’s life changes, and can’t really be returned to what it was before he achieved it. Truth can be hidden for a while, but once learned cannot ever be un-learned.

Most of us here grew up believing what I’ve seen called the ‘beautiful lie’… which is that if you perform and produce like a ‘real man’, just as you did, it will be appreciated, valued and reciprocated with the same loyalty and determination. Once you realize it’s a lie, there’s no way to ever be suckered into believing it again. So next, congrat’s on reaching that point. What damage was done to you by the one woman you described is all the damage women are ever going to be able to do to you. Because for all the damage women can do, without the initial trust of a man, there’s really not that much they can do. You have to trust them first. Signing a marriage contract or fathering a child with one involves an enormous amount of trust from a man for which essentially none of them is really worthy. From your intro, it doesn’t sound like there’s any chance of that happening to you. And as was pointed out above, that’s really about the only requirement for mgtow.

Next, and also from your intro, while your experience with women has sadly been not so uncommon, the way you’ve handled yourself seems exemplary. I’m 48 years old, college degrees, successful career and all that. But I did not succeed in reproducing. As a teen ager, I wasn’t even responsible enough to have a car. And when I got my hands on one, I made that abundantly clear 😀

On your own at 13… pulling yourself off the street and supporting a family while still a teenager… successfully reproducing and getting ownership of your child… making it through all that crap from her without resorting to violence or drugs or self destruction… And to finish it off, you have reproduced a son who will never believe the beautiful lie. You f’king rock!

As you read more about mgtow, you’ll find articles (if you haven’t already) explaining the number of people who are married, as a fraction of the total population is at an all time low, and that the number of 24-30 year old men who say they have no plans to marry is at an all-time high. Marriage as a concept is a rapidly dying idea. You have successfully produced a son who will be part of that trend.

In the world series of gender relations, you’ve hit a grand slam, and we all salute you here.

‘Looking forward to reading more of your posts.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[GZUS F CHRISTParticipant 16]

Thanks BrainPilot.
Yeah, I do know how very fortunate I am in with my situation. I’ve seen many of my friends get f~~~ed over by there baby mothers regarding their kids. It’s literally almost every single one of them that has a child, that isn’t with the mother any more. Unless they are forking over money every single month.
When I first had my son living with just me and him, I swallowed my pride and went on welfare for a bit. I couldn’t afford to pay for child care during the day and work at the same time, so I signed up and hated every minute of it. I never took my child with me to the welfare office but every time I went in there it was just packed full of single mothers OR people with mental problems or drug addictions and by far the women in their where the rudest most entitled people in there. They’d complain about how long they had to stay in line to for “MY CHEQUE‘ as they’d politely put it. Talking on their cellphones in the line (and it was a long line btw) talking to people about “pay day”. Holy f~~~ I couldn’t believe these bitches. It was the only ‘work’ they had to do all month was stand in that line and they couldn’t even hold there s~~~ together and be appreciative. F~~~, when I got approved and then approved that they’d cover my day care I felt like I hit the lotto. But these broads go into it with the mind set like ‘where my money at?’
Anyway, the reason I brought this up is because I guess the process with the welfare system here is after your on the system for a couple months, you get a court summonds for family court so that they can set up a mandatory child support order, which I get, because the government wants to get paid for paying for your f~~~ up… But anyway, so I go to court. My ex was a no show. The judge is like “when was the last time you talked to XXXX’ Im like “I don’t know, maybe 3 months ago” Judge says “Do you have an address for her?” I said “No” the judge goes, “Do you know where she works?” And I said “No, I don’t even know if she works” Then the judge wrote down some things and BOOM. My baby momma was ordered to pay ZERO dollars a month. Now I’m fine with that in the sense that I don’t want or need anything from a female ESPECIALLY in regards to raising my son. But what f~~~ing irks me, is how I have so many male friends that have been in the exact same, but opposite situation where as the judge just pulls a random number out of their ass that the father has to pay (because he’s a male ) and it is on them to make the payments or prove that those payments are set unjustly high. Which usually costs them a bunch of money to do anyway. So yeah, I am really fortunate everything worked out for me as it has so far.

Here is a transcript of what I heard on a Youtube clip that for some reason resonated with me so I just wanted toss this up.
“We created the lies of romantic love and chivilry and traditionalism because men needed to believe that women were with them because they loved them, Instead of because they needed them. And when women figured out they no longer needed men; they could work for themselves or extract money from the government. Then that little fantasy [love] was shattered into a billion pieces. I like to call it uhhhh the feminist D.M.T. trip.”
~Barbarossa

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

yeah,
that observation by barbar is a good one. Has anyone else noticed that the amount of love a woman has had for you has always been directly proportionate to how much need she has had for what you could provide?

the current offer seems to be that if you are a man, you are forced to provide for at least one of them, but they let you choose which one it will be. Once you’ve signed over ownership of your assets, earnings, children etc to her in a marriage contract, the government gives you a break on the taxes you pay on the money you earn. If you don’t choose one, and refuse to sign a marriage contract, the government takes more of your money to redistribute to those women lined up at the welfare office and you get to provide (in the form of higher taxes) for a long line of them who you will never even meet.

If you do marry one, she will take an enormous amount of money from you in the divorce, but she doesn’t pay taxes on that money. According to a tax attorney I knew, the reason for no taxes on divorce settlements is that the government doesn’t tax her on money that was already hers…

Yeah, you got it right. It became hers as soon as you earned it because you signed that marriage contract. So taxes withheld from YOUR paycheck when YOU earned it with YOUR labor are the only taxes that ever need to be paid on HER money… because: marriage contract.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[AxiomaticusParticipant 11]

@Gzus,
<span style=”background-color: #fbfbfb;”><span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif;”><span style=”font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;”>”Then the judge wrote down some things and BOOM. My baby momma was ordered to pay ZERO dollars a month.” – The pussy-pass is astonishing isn’t it. What’s worse is I am well aware of it, yet still every time I see it first-hand I get this feeling I am a character stuck in a dystopian novel.</span></span></span>

@ Brain Pilot,
<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px;”>”Has anyone else noticed that the amount of love a woman has had for you has always been directly proportionate to how much need she has had for what you could provide?” – Oh yes I have. I could give a huge list of examples, but I am certain it is so ubiquitous that examples are not really needed.</span>

[Anonymous 42]

BrainPilot wrote:

because: marriage contract.

Marriage is C~~~RACT with this gynocentric and tyrannical system. Holy matrimony is an agreement with your own personal GOD. This should not be confused with Governmental matrimony (“CONTRACT” of MARRIAGE). It’s OIL and WATER, no way in hell can the two mix, complement, of jive with each other, they’re in total and unwavering opposition to each other.

The rewards of marriage before this atrocious abomination of Governmental matrimony was having a woman that knew her place in the world as a service to one single man, to assist the man in securing BOTH of their futures with children to raise and assist them later on in life as a productive independent family. It was their ONLY social security.

Now men are harnessed by the yoke of a gynocentric tyranny that has ballooned, and is ever expanding its bridals to include all men to serve in their atrocities, or be imprisoned for their resistance. This gynocentric society is doomed to fail miserably. We see it in the management and everyday corruptions that continue to degrade men and destroy the foundations of this civilization. Those payments these modern women receive from the government will collapse one day, therein so will the order of society, chaos will ensue, starvation will affect and kill millions upon millions of dependents on the government, there will be no government, just chaos, starvation, and depopulation, some call this Armageddon, judgment day.

The MGTOW realize this and take appropriate measures necessary to salvage themselves from being manipulated into service by the GOD DAMNED “Governmental contract of marriage”, thereby initiating the silent and peaceful destruction of society, and the depopulation of mankind, however, without all the carnage and suffering we have witnessed throughout our lives, all thanks to feminism, and the gynocentric tyranny created by the woman’s liberation movement.

We are MEN!

We’re not to be abused as BEASTS OF BURDEN for the entitlement and advancement of these ATROCIOUS, and obnoxious women, created by this atrocious society! Let these women put on the yoke of tyranny, and feverishly slave for their own protection and salvation. ABORT WOMEN for the SAKE of freeing MEN, and to stop all the suffering and destruction initiated by the insanity of modern women… FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY!

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

Brainpilot; This is an absolutely fascinating topic of study. What you wrote in a post,

<Next, and also from your intro, while your experience with women has sadly been not so uncommon, the way you’ve handled yourself seems exemplary. I’m 48 years old, college degrees, successful career and all that. But I did not succeed in reproducing. 

 

I’ve noticed something. A lot of utterly brilliant men DO NOT REPRODUCE. It has got to be well over 50% of them. Brainpilot your posts are brilliant, there is no other way to describe them. You are way too smart to have a women in your life or fall into the trap of marraige. You are like me, beyond the point of sex. You realize that its primarily animal behavior and has too many consequences.  I come from a family where many people are Summa Cum Laude graduates of Harvard and other Elite schools, whom also have super high measurable IQs…and I would say more then 50% of them did not reproduce. ALSO nearly 100% (of the men) wound up getting divorced if they did get married…

 

I will say that nearly 100% of the men who became RICH did get married and about 95% of them got divorced!!!! (those statistics are dismal).  I firmly believe that the divorce rates for RICH men are at least 90%. Those odds are f~~~ing insane to me. You can’t beat those odds and assume you are going to be in the 5%-10% that succeed. Lets be realistic. The odds of a RICH man not experiencing a Divorce at least once in his lifetime have got to be more like 97% minimum….

 

Ironically in my family nearly ALL the males who married got divorced yet NONE of the females who got married got divorced. This is also interesting. I think most STUPID females initiate or are the cause of divorce with the more intelligent males. In fact I think 70% of all divorces are initiated by females regardless of intelligence. I believe a women with a high IQ is more likely to see that divorce isn’t the answer. (she should know that after a divorce she will wind up in exactly the same f~~~ed up situation so she might as well stay just to keep the kids and family together)

 

I had an opportunity to marry an attractive, highly intelligence female Attorney. I turned that one down for obvious reasons…the reason I mention this is because STUPID women who are highly attractive create a lot more problems then intelligent women. Attractive or not…lack of intelligence does create a firestorm of issues. Men can’t understand that no matter how attractive a women is, when she has a low IQ there are going to be problems.

 

I have fallen victim to this way of thinking myself…not seeing how worthless the highly attractive females are. Many of them would literally be homeless if it weren’t for their looks.

 

 

[RoCrow99Participant 60]

Incredible story mate, gotta hand it to ya, you’ve come out strong as an ox.  Looking forward to hearing more from you.

[GZUS F CHRISTParticipant 16]

@brainpilot

Spot on again bro. I have noticed that a womans love is directly proportionate to her need for what ever it is that men may have. I like how you said ‘need’ where as you could have easily said ‘money’ but didn’t as that would’ve seemed to limited women to ONLY being gold diggers. Women are needy as f~~~ creatures in so many ways. Most are emotional vampires. And what is equally or probably more valuable to men than their money, is their time. MGTOW talks alot about protecting ourselves so that women don’t suck your money and resourses out of you but even having to have a 20 minute phone conversation with a chick or a stupid periodic back and forth throughout the day text convo is a waste of our valuable time, usually always. Of course time is money and all that but moreso, time is what your life truley is.

I turned 35 last month, and for the past I’d say few months I’ve been coming to this weird kinda realization that I’ve been addicted to pussy since I was a kid. Like I’m actually looking at it like a real addiction from an actual addicts perspective. I smoke cigarettes and I literally try to quit every f~~~ing month for the last 10 years. I always only try cold turkey, cause that’s how I roll. No crutch. I know eventually I will succeed because I won’t stop until I do. I usually only make it about 5 days without, but then I can’t stop f~~~ing thinking about it. The longer I go, the more I miss it and think about it, until the point where I’m taking my s~~~ty attitude out on people that probably don’t really deserve my s~~~. What usually get’s me to cave, even if I do make it past the 5 day mark all the way to the 30 mark is if I have a drink.. 3 shots equals I’m gonna get busy with a pack of cigs and aint no one stopping me. I know it’s not good for me, it ages me, I’m giving up my time, life energy, power and money but that dirty slut cig  is such a comforting, familiar, seductive, instant (albeit temporary) relief of stress and anxiety that I cave because it’s just too easy. I can call one up as a favor as easy as making a phone call or worse case scenario there are butts everywhere along the sidewalks and gutters that I could just go on a quick search downtown. I don’t slip that far, but I’m just saying that’s how easy it could be in a real moment of weakness for some really bad addicts.
During those times when I’m not smoking, my sense of smell and taste is returning, my teeth are getting whiter, my clothes and breath don’t smell like s~~~ and my general health is improving, what keeps me from going the way of the cig is I realize the amount of time I only get any actual real enjoyment out of a cigarette. It’s probably only about 2 minutes. The first 5-6 puffs. Satisfied. That’s it. It’s done. I’m completely over it. Then slowly it starts all over. I spend off and on all god damn day waiting for this next great moment of relief that only last about 2 minutes and the other almost 24 hours of the day stressing about it, thinking of ways to break it off OR justify it. It’s just not worth the time I spend thinking about it. As I’m getting older here I’m looking at pussy the same way. Like a dirty cig addiction. It almost pains me to say that. Like it kinda feels emasculating to say. I’m not saying it is emasculanating to say it, but it just feels that when I hear myself think about it that way because it was only like 10 years ago the it felt as though to prove your masculinity was by dicking as many chicks down as possible.
I haven’t actually tried to quit pussy yet. But lemme tell you, I’ve cut way down. like I said, this is just a new realization I’ve had slowly creeping up and it’s starting to change how I feel about things.

I have had the same few f~~~ friends for the last 3-5 years.  The situations are basically ideal for me in that regard. They all know me well, I don’t hide my views on relationships and women. There is no going on dates. I show up usually when I want (I don’t allow women at my home) we talk for a while, maybe we have some drinks. Then we have f~~~ or I get a blowjob. If we drink I take a taxi home which not only costs 20 bucks, but it takes 15 or more minutes longer than when I drive my own vehicle. Often, I cab back in the morning to pick up my vehicle which means I have to wake up an hour earlier than normal to keep my day on schedule plus another 20 bucks. If I’m not cabbling back and forth, I’m still starting to feel that even if I’m not spending money on these women..That <b>just</b> talking to them for 20 minutes (to several hours) isn’t worth the 30-60 of sex. Even if I stay half the night and we f~~~ multiple times. It’s the time I have to spend nodding until I feel enough time has gone by that I can basically man handle her, or the lack of sleep I endure because of it is starting to feel like it isn’t even worth THAT.  I know lot’s of you guys are thinking “s~~~ gzus you pussy why do you even spend 20 minutes talking to the bitch before you hit it, just get to the slam” And to that, my only excuse is, I guess I have some chivalry left in me. Give me time, I’m poppin red pills daily.
Having said all that it’s starting to feel like easy or even free pussy isn’t worth my time and energy and to be honest it’s kinda scaring the s~~~ out of me because I always thought my favorite thing was smashing. Again, not sure what point I was trying to make but thanks for invoking that rant. I think I needed to get that off my chest.

@Tower
Thanks for the reply man. I had to read it a couple times because you pack alot of substance into your post. I agree with you about all of that. I just wish I could word it as well as you do when I’m trying to explain this subject to my male friends. I agree with you about marraige. I also don’t condone men to live with women either, especially NEVER allow them to move into in your house. I used to think it was kind of endearing back when I would allow a female over and watch them look around at all my nice s~~~, then clean up some small random mess all cute and nicely (that I really didn’t give a f~~~ about in the first place). But I noticed one thing that all bitches would eventually do. ALL of them. Eventually they would put dishes back in different cupboards or switch my silverware drawer.  Like reorganize my s~~~ and then try to explain their reason, some sort bulls~~~ about how it’s just organized to function better.. Their attempt to slowly implement their control and pass it off under some  sort of bulls~~~ Feng Shui guise logic. But they would all do this.. Eventually, with my dishes. All of them, because that’s about all I’d give them access too.  If I let them fold my laundry, they’d do the same s~~~ to my dresser. You let them have full access to your house… It’s going to be ass backwards as f~~~..Access to your friends…. And if you sign a contract with them where as all your things including your bank account is there’s and they have a take half your s~~~ and start a new life on your dime. F~~~ it. Kill me now.

I think women used to have it made in the shade. We fell for the ‘love’ thing and we truley f~~~ing did love these chicks. We worshipped them. Most of us modern day men have still fallen into that too at one point or another I’m sure, but I’m talking about the ones back even as recently as a hundred years ago ( also dating back thousands ), would spend their whole lives providing for their woman. Back when you could call her “my woman” without having to say it almost sarcasticlly to avoid some sort of wierd attack for it. But back in the day though,  these men would be gone for 12-18 hours a day or sometimes day’s weeks and months on end, year after year,  to provide. They would hunt and gather food for them. Keep them warm and safe. Killing anyone that threatened her saftey or give up there on life for females. Back then, though, when woman were the beautiful, submissive, loving beings we beleived they were, those kinds of behaviors by males towards women did have a lot to do with defining you as a man and because of the gender roles females held down, <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>appeasing and for the most part monogamous (I’m only assuming this last part and I probably shouldn’t).</span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> But</span><span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> there was no shame for men to behave that way, as I feel like there is today. I kinda think since antiquity we men always have been a utility to females. Not that, that was our purpose, but it that was just how the roles were between the sexes and it seemed to work best for both. </span>

Now a day’s when I see men taking on this utility role, it looks emasculating to me. It’s f~~~ed up. It hurts my brain because I don’t want to see it like that. I don’t want to assume every single guy out there holding some girls hand is being manipulated and used for his ability to provide soley for what her needs and superficial wants. But I can’t help it any more. I have tried to talk every single one of married male friends out of getting married and to this day have only been to one wedding (my parents when I was I think 5.) But your right Tower, the gynocentric society will be the death of itself. All men have to do is walk away. The solution is too simple. The results of which are so profound and damaging to society and mankind as a whole that it’s a wonder why it isn’t debated in the mainstream and as often as so called climate change.
Thanks Tower.

@Jackson188
Interesting observations bro! I wasn’t aware of any of the actual percentages regarding wealthy and successful men’s marraige/divorces etc vs men of other tax brackets. It would be awesome if you or anyone could post a link or video that cover any of these stats. I wonder if there really is a large margin of differnce. I’d be super interested to see those numbers. The only stats I’ve heard often enough to pay attention too is that something over 50% of marraiges end in divorce and around 70% of those are initiated by women.
Thanks!

@rocrow99
Thanks for the compliment man!

[Anonymous 42]

GZUS F CHRIST wrote:

I’ve been addicted to pussy since I was a kid.

We’re all addicted to pussy, except these days women have been encouraged (by each other) to manipulate men/boys like puppets. Boys and girls have been tossed into the cauldron of feminism together at a very young age. Segregation was the key to hamper female manipulation, we’re conditioned by ways of old, now becoming extinct chivalry. I personally have rewired my thinking to suite this new environment of toxic feminism. I refuse to play, I refuse to pay! It’s our duty as natural animals to preserve ourselves, not to allow damaging attacks on our MAN CORE, to do so is to become brainwashed in the ideology of feminism. Allot can be said about the feminist brainwashing that has in fact, and in deed, caused the death of marriage, and the promotion of sexual promiscuity. The average female today is a lost cause to the narcissism and spoilage encouraged by this gynocentric society.

The man naturally feels the impact of gynocentrism in the wake of feminism, therefore the woman’s liberation movement is directly responsible for independent spawning of MGHOWS, spawned without any influence, or persuasion, directly or indirectly, from the MGTOW community.

Smoking is a matter of will-power, like hitting a switch you’ve already decided to never switch on again. That’s what finally worked for me when I quit smoking (for the last time). It was two decisions at once (cold turkey); one to go through the misery of quitting, second was the decision to never touch one again. It worked with drinking and women too.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Gzus,
I wrote to one other member here re: smoking and trying to quit. I’ll copy and paste below in hope it may help change your perspective on it in a helpful way…

I’m a doctor specializing in cardiac anesthesia for high risk heart surgery. I see smokers who want to quit as a routine part of my practice. I won’t bore you with all the health risks you’ve already heard. But I can share some insights with you that may help.

As you are probably already aware, the addictive component of cigarette smoke is nicotine and it is very hard to quit once addicted to it. Addiction specialists have told me that getting people off of nicotine is similarly difficult to getting people off of heroine. It is enormously addictive.

This is the bad news.

The good news is that nicotine, by itself, is not that dangerous. Make no mistake, nicotine is not candy. It does have its risks. But compared to the overall risk of inhaling cigarette smoke, the fractional risk of nicotine in that smoke is small. When you read about cigarette smoking causing all kinds of diseases and early deaths, the nicotine is responsible for only a very small part of that damage. It can be a little confusing because most things that are highly addictive, like heroine and cocaine, are also highly destructive to your health. Nicotine is kind of a special case because while it is highly addictive, by itself, it is not responsible for the enormous amounts of damage attributed to smoking. It’s only responsible for the addition to smoking. The damage and the addition are caused by different things.

The reason that cigarette smoking is dangerous is because of several thousand very toxic chemicals that occur in tobacco smoke along with nicotine. These other chemicals are not addictive at all and you won’t miss them or have any cravings or withdrawals from them when you stop inhaling them. But they are toxic and they are taking decades off the lives of people who ingest them. So, if you were smoking cigarettes and inhaling nicotine and nothing else, it would not be the enormous cause of concern that it is now. The point of all this is that it means that if you could separate out the nicotine from the cigarette smoke, you could get the same daily does of nicotine with only a tiny fraction of the risk of getting that dose of nicotine from cigarette smoke. Then, you wouldn’t have the withdrawal symptoms, and you would still have eliminated more than 95% of the risk.

Basically, I wouldn’t tell you to stop drinking water. But if you were drinking it from a ditch, I would try to steer you to a cleaner source of water. What I’m doing here is telling you that if you find it impossible to quit nicotine altogether, that you can still eliminate the vast majority of risk associated with smoking cigarettes, by just switching your source of nicotine to patches, gum, filters, inhalers… whatever you want really. Any of them is a cleaner source of nicotine than cigarettes.
The source you choose should depend on the way your system normally sees nicotine arrive. If you wake up in the morning and smoke one cigarette at 9am, another at 11am, another at 1pm etc… then you can start with nicotine gum at 8:45am, another at 10:45 am, and another at 12:45pm. The nicotine in gum takes maybe 15-20min to arrive at your brain after you start chewing. Your brain doesn’t care the path of ingestion of the nicotine, only the dose and schedule of arrival. If you’re late with delivering the usual dose to your brain, you’ll get the withdrawal symptoms… But as long as you’re on time, you brain’s physiology doesn’t care how it was sourced.

If you are someone who smokes a cigarette at random times, but when you need one, you need it RIGHT F’KING NOW!!!… then you would be better off with one of the inhaled nicotine sources. These deliver nicotine to your brain about 10-15 seconds after inhaling it. If you are already in withdrawals when you realize you need a cigarette, you aren’t going to be able to wait the 15 minutes it takes for gum to make its delivery. Part of the reason that relapse rates with smokers trying to quit are so high, is that smokers who go cold turkey will go for as long as they can without a cigarette and then decide they can’t go anymore and they need one “RIGHT F’KING NOW” or they are gonna strangle someone… At that point, a cigarette (or other inhaled source) is the means that will deliver nicotine to your brain the quickest…and the cigarettes are usually the most available, and most familiar source. If you don’t know wether or not you are one of these types of smokers, ask your family and other people in your environment…they can tell you if you are…LOL)

If you’re one of the people who wake up in the morning and just chain smoke continuously throughout the day, you will probably be best served by just putting on the patch at night before you go to bed. You won’t wake up already in withdrawal, and will never have the nicotine levels in your blood falling below the point at which symptoms of withdrawal occur. These patches take a couple hours to begin their delivery of nicotine to your brain, but then work all day long and deliver a steady, continuous dose. You can just change them out over 24 hours.
If someday down the road you can quit nicotine altogether, great! Do it. But if you can’t, ANY other source of nicotine that you can find that works for you will eliminate more than 95% of the risk of cigarette smoking in order to get that same dose. In addition to eliminating the risks of the things that naturally occur in burnt tobacco, you can also eliminate the risk of the pesticides and herbicides that are sprayed on American tobacco fields. More on that in another post if you’re interested…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[GZUS F CHRISTParticipant 16]

Hey thanks again for the advice and pointers on getting off cigs,  BrainPilot.
I can say without a shred of guilt I am 7 full days cigarette AND nicotine free. Cold turkey. Last night I gave my bro ride home from work and he smoked one in my ride. I borrowed two smokes off of him. My big plan was to go get a keno ticket and a coffee (also haven’t had one of those in 7 days cause it’s a trigger) and smoke those two cigs back to back. Anyway, by the time I dropped him off and got to the convenient store to light up, enough of my fit had passed so that I could will away the last bits of the craving. I grabbed the keno ticket, skipped the coffee and just went straight home. God damn it was a close one though. If it get’s that bad again I’m going to grab some nic gum, but I really want to be nicotin free. It’s strange cause in all the info I read it says the nic is out of your system in 3 days and the cravings feel different, lesser to an extent but from what I’m experiencing is that they are just as intense and long lasting as on day one. Just not as often. I think I’m actually addicted to the thousands of other chemicals in the smokes too and not just the nic.
Anyway, again, thanks

 

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