my intro again?

[nick123Participant 137]

Well, it’s been about a year now since I joined and I guess I better do my introduction. I have been on this forum virtually every day since joining and it has supported my experiences with women, solidified my beliefs of the “modern” woman and at times has made me laugh out loud at how insincere, damaged, deceitful the modern female can be. Please understand I have left a few details out as this could easily become the longest intro.
I’m 53 y/o and live in feminist and cuck centre Australia. My first relationship was in 1985 where I met Karen in a work environment. I fell for her charm and sexy ass. At the time she was “kind of” having a relationship with another guy, yet she still entered into a relationship with me. Yeah I know! I drove her home from work every night for approx. 4 months. On weekends we would occasionally have sex. Didn’t really spend much money on her though so that was good. In the end she broke it off with me and went with the other guy. I was a little heartbroken but a total blue pill idiot.
Then in 1995 I met Vivienne a sexy, green eyed, blonde who had a full time job and a part time job as an aerobic instructor. Our relationship lasted 18 months. She was a bitch. She was very controlling and a snob. One night at a restaurant she got upset at me because when I had finished my meal I did not position the knife and fork the “right” way so that the waiter would collect my plate. I paid for everything during that relationship. I shake my head at myself. Even though I paid for everything, one night when we went out and met at the venue as we drove in two separate cars, I asked her if she could drive me to my car as it was not close and she got bothered that she would have to drive me, and made it quite obvious, so when we got fairly close to my car, I asked her to stop here as it would be close enough for me to walk the rest of the distance, so as not to put her out too much. Smh!
I paid Vivienne’s airfare and hotel accomodation for 2 weeks when we went to a trip to SE Asia. We went to Koh samui. I was the perfect blue pill nice guy, romantic, accommodating and even paid for the meals! Well one night during the holiday, we had an argument and I stood my ground. Boy did she hit the roof at me standing my ground. She indicated/implied by the tone of her voice and something she said that “how dare I stand up to her and that I’ll pay for it”! As a sad sack of crap that I was I immediately caved and tried to “fix” things. For the rest of the holiday things weren’t the same.
Two weeks later she broke up with me. I was heart broken for 6 months, till I met my wife to be.
My wife to be, lets call her Nicole. Our marriage lasted 12 years, no kids. She was perfect at the start. Perfection lasted approx. less than 1 year when she realised I was not able to earn the money I had been due to a change in the law. I began contract work and was working 90% of the weeks in the year. Arguments started about my earning capacity and I was shamed for it and it was made known to her family who put the pressure on me and my family for me to get a permanent full time job.
I continued working contract work for approx. 4 years at the same time trying to find a full time position and attending interviews but got no full time employment. The arguments continued over my earnings capacity and I was made to feel very inadequate throughout this time. The truth is she did earn more than me at this time. I made a decision to change careers. I decided to do an IT course in the evenings twice a week whilst still working contract. I started the course in 2003 and studied and worked at the same time. during this time, I was made to feel ashamed, that I was a conman for not earning enough, I was belittled, abused, spat on and had a knife pulled on me.
I decided I had enough of this and left her in early 2006. We were separated for 2 years but on the third day that I had left the house she called me in tears saying she loved me etc etc, ironically I was on my way to my lawyer to start divorce proceedings but because of this I did not. I was staying at my parents in the meantime. In April 2006 I graduated top student in my IT course. Within 6 weeks of job hunting every day, I landed a great job in IT and I am here to this very day. I earn significantly more than my wife now.
It took us 2 years to get back together again, she made it very hard for me to come back to the house, I could visit but that’s it. we went counselling blah blah. I was blue pill apologetic and trying to do all the things that would please her so I can come back, remember it was her that called on the third day crying saying she loved me.
In 2008 we bought a new house and got back together. This lasted 3 years. The arguments began the very first week. She would concede NOTHING! This never sat well with me and I subconciosly resented it. One day I think in 2010 during an argument where I stood my ground and was not going to let her get away “it”, she called the police on me. She alledged I was bullying her. Funny that standing your ground and making a reasonable and rational argument against hers is bullying!
The police came and separated us and talked to us individually. At the end the police left her at the back of the house and spoke to me at the front entrance of the house for about 10 minutes. They told me, this is the truth, she’s mentally unstable and you need to make a decision. Internally I felt so validated. The police left.
The arguments persisted. 2 things that sealed the deal for me to proceed with divorce from this bitch were:
1.Her hatred of my parents.
2.Her insistence that I sign a financial agreement that I would not lay claim to any of her portion of the money that her parents had given us for the house as a present.
In regards to her hatred of my parents, this I could not accept even though I tried to reason with her over this for years, eventually it came to head in me.
In regards to the financial agreement, I said to her yes I will agree to it and sign it providing you agree to not lay claim to my parents contribution.
Nope, no way would she agree to this. I tried for months to reason with her. The arguments got worse, I was spat on, arguments would last for hours with her going apes~~~ at me. even when I would not engage, she came after me. So one Saturday morning that was it, I had enough. I went to my uncle who is a lawyer and got divorce under way. I paid nothing, stayed in one of my uncles houses rent free and divorce went smoothly thank goodness.

That was September 2011. My intent was to remain single for a couple of years, clear my head and try to make sense of what happened.
Then in 2015 Irene happened. I have copied and pasted a post I made about her on shrink4men.
It all began from a dating site where lets call her Irene messaged me. This was approx. February 2015. I checked out her profile and responded with interest, although one thing in her profile stood out as odd to me, she stated “she was looking for someone who does not react”.
Anyway we talked over the phone a few times and agreed to meet up on a Tuesday. Suddenly on the Saturday evening prior at 9.00pm she texts me and says she can not wait to see me and to be a “sport” and meet her at the local McDonalds near me, oh and apparently her “dogs heard me on the phone and like me” she said!
So we met for the first time, she was dressed very casually and as we sat and talked she read the paper??!! I did like her though, she had a body I liked and “something” about her that got me. I asked her back to my place just to see my dog. She came, it was only few minutes away, then we took her dogs for a walk as she brought them with her in her car.
So far, all good, I was happy and we talked on the phone every day and also went out on the Tuesday we originally had planned for. This time she dressed up and I was “taken”. There was interest from her in me and me in her. As she lived nearby, I noticed she would just suddenly come to my house out of the blue, of course I welcomed her in and said to her you are welcome anytime.
So for the first approx. 4 weeks she would be over almost every night and we would talk for hours, with her asking me a lot of questions regarding my ex wife. Irene was never married but had many short term relationships. The bizarre behaviour was about to start, here it comes.
As I was at work Monday to Friday, she only worked temping type work, I would call her or she would call me and we talked. I would ask “what time are you coming over tonight” or “are you coming over tonight” because she was always over anyway. Now one night she said to me “I don’t like your attitude, why do you expect me to come to your house, have you asked me if I have anything to do”? I was a bit confused and speechless as my questions were merely to ask if she was coming, of course if she could not come, I was fine with that, no problem. I replied to her Irene I ask you because you mostly always come anyway, but sometimes I might have a job to do as I also had my own part time business, and I do not want you to come and me not be there and waste your time. Anyway she said to me I should not ask in the manner I ask but to ask her like this,”Irene would you like to come over tonight”, so I did. I thought this was a bit strange but I complied, accommodated, I let it go.
Now because we were going great I asked her to, if she wants, to move in with me as she was renting a room with her 2 dogs nearby. I would cook for both of us and give her food to take home too. She was a mental health professional and used to do counselling many years ago. When I asked her why isn’t she doing it anymore she replied, “ I had no empathy”. I thought she was making a joke, that’s how I took it and thought it was ironic, but I always remembered it and thought it was a bit strange.
She did move in and all was good but her 2 dogs were causing me a little stress/anxiety due to their barking and her over the top attention to her dogs. She gave me lots of sex, morning, night and afternoons and would ask me after sex if she had scored “wifey points”. Around this time too she was indicating that I should know by 6 months if I wanted to marry her. I said to her that is too quick and rushing it. She then accused me of being indecisive and “what is wrong with you”?
A few days before she had placed a small rubbish bin in my ensuite and a few days later seemed to be very down. I asked her, Irene what is wrong, eventually she came out with it after me prompting her and reassuring her. She said that “she felt I was not working in with her cause I was not using the bin”. I responded by saying Irene, the bin is a good idea and ok I’ll start using it, I was just not using it cause I was not used to it and frankly have overlooked it, eventually I would’ve started using it anyway. She was upset and made a deal out of this.
It is now approx. 2 to 3 months into our relationship. One day we were walking our dogs, I walked mine and she walked hers at my local park. As we had agreed to take a drive to particular place that afternoon and as I had walked to the park, she drove, I said to her “ok irene I am heading back home I’ll see you there”, she heard me so I presumed all is ok and I started to walk back home with my dog. When she came home she appeared upset. I asked her what’s wrong and again had to coax it out of her, she said “ I feel you are not connecting with me, you don’t understand me”. I asked her why she felt like this as this was a surprise to me. She said “well at the park I wanted you to stay longer with me but you just left”. I responded by saying to her that as we had agreed to go out that afternoon and I had walked rather than drove the park I thought I better start making tracks for home to get ready and that I told you I was heading home, I made you aware of that, if you wanted me to stay you should have said so and I would have stayed longer, I can not read your mind Irene. She was dismissive of my explanation and totally blew up hurling insults at me and swearing at me and then stormed out of the house. An hour later she calls me and tells me to be ready as she is coming by to pick me to go out as we had agreed. Again I thought this bizarre but I let it go.
Another day she was feeling down, she did not tell me, I had to observe these things. She was lying down on the couch, so I asked her whats wrong. Irene told me she had a headache but to me it seemed “not too severe”, you know when one has a really bad headache and act accordingly. I made a little innocent joke, which we had been sharing for the previous 2 weeks and which anyone else would have smiled, not Irene, she went wild! She accused me of wanting to get a reaction out of her and she yelled “well you did get a reaction out of me, just not the one you expected”!! I was floored this was totally unexpected and she yelled and ranted for 15 minutes then left the house. I was calm during this outburst but shocked. Two hours later she calls me and seriously asked me “are you over your tantrum yet”? I was stumped, if I sensed she was kidding then fine but she was serious. I proceed to remind her of what had happened, she was not responsive and hung up. Later that night she called me again from the house/room she used to rent and asked me, “so have you thought about what you did today”? I again proceeded to remind her of exactly what happened and she swore at me and hung up. She sent me many abusive texts.
There were many other things that happened but I can not write them all down otherwise this will turn into a novel. During these first few months (the relationship lasted 6 months all up) I was hooked but my internal gut instinct was telling me this is bizarre behaviour. For the first month or so I thought she was angel, perfect, nothing was too much trouble for her, nothing I did was a profor her. She wanted to discuss housing options with me during this time, so I did. We discussed housing options but did not really come to a solid conclusion. A week later I brought up the topic again as there was either something I wanted to add or clarify, her response, “we have already discussed it! you are not committed to the discussion”. I said yes I know we have discussed but I wanted to bring it up again to add or clarify something, her response was “obviously you are not committed to the discussion and as such I can not work with you”!
Anyway as I said I have left a lot of things out otherwise this would turn into a novel.
Women today are nuts.

[nick123Participant 137]

Following up my original intro post, i forgot to mention that i kicked her out of my house in march 2016 and never spoke to her again, i went no contact. i did a lot of research cause she did mentally stuff me up and NPD ticks the boxes with her.
a year later she contacts me again and we got talking. i did miss her beauty, charm and wit so we began seeing each other again with one big thing i did not let her know about. i was very guarded and did not allow myself to get emotioanlly attached cause from all the NPD research i had i knew how it would go! we spent a few months together had a good time but i was always “on the lookout” in regards to her behaviour, though things were good and she was “behaving”.

Sure enough it did not last. my dad passed away in june and despite me trying to call her and text her over the week to tell her what happenned, she did not repsond. i did leave her texts and voice mails advising of what happened but nothing.

well, the day after the funeral she calls me in the mnorning, all happy and asking me if i am at work! i said irene did you get my messages and she repeated her question again in the most uncaring, insenstive tone one can. i told her you’re friggin unbeleivable to emotional support and no empathy and hung up on her. she texted me things that made no sense at all completely irrational texts. this is typical of cluster B personality types.
it is at this point that i have gone off women when it comes to relationships. now if i feel the urge i go pay for it and im done. no hassles only freedom.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Belated welcome! Good intro man–you’re a survivor, be grateful!

[ghostParticipant]

Welcome!

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

After reading your momentous post I feel I am entitled to make 2 observations:

1.) Irene is most definitely a psychopath. I do not mean this euphemistically, I mean she has a true psychological personality disorder and you should educate yourself about this condition so you avoid these types in the future (both men and women)

2.) Your ex-wife dumped you when it appeared your income earning potential was beneath her expectations but kept you on the back burner in case your career aspirations matriculated. Then when you did make more money she cashed in and dumped you again.

[Anonymous 42]

The only Irene I knew washed all the roads out!

F~~~ Irene!

[nick123Participant 137]

Actually Z, i divorced her, if i did not, i truly believe she was quite content to continue abusing me,even though by now i was earning much more than her, but i was starting to wake up. What really woke me up though was the psycho Irene.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Sorry I misread that you divorced her. Welcome aboard!!

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Hello N,

Appreciate your Introduction and the outstanding replies it has generated.

Your Red Pills and lessons learned are too familiar, they are giving me flash backs.

Here is a link to a Post about how out of control and shameless woman are today. Feel free to comment there:

/forums/topic/todays-womyn-are-like-wild-boars-razerbacks/

Sadly, it took me thirty years to stop chasing “Unicorns,” get a handle on “Woman’s Nature,” and come to believe that AWALT.

Here is how you know that you arrived at AWALT on the MGTOW Road:

Are you at a place in your head where a group of women talking sound like a bunch of hen’s clucking or are they “fascinating” to you?

I look forward to reading your posts and comments in the Forums.

Without giving away specifics where others can identify you, kindly provide some niceties about what you are doing with YOUR freedom.

Hobbies?

What kind of fun things do YOU do?

Any future projects/ goals?

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Welcome back Nick. Hell of a history.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[bladeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

The only Irene I knew washed all the roads out!

F~~~ Irene!

Yer f~~~ irene . Thats the name of a c~~~ that ripped my father of 40000 .

Irenes are all c~~~s it comes with the name

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[bladeParticipant]

Welcome bro

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[nick123Participant 137]

“Without giving away specifics where others can identify you, kindly provide some niceties about what you are doing with YOUR freedom.

Hobbies?

What kind of fun things do YOU do?”

1. Enjoy my peace
2. play my guitar occasionally
3. do what i want when i want
4. eat when i want and what i want, im a pretty good cook too!
5. take my Alaskan Malamute for a walk and wrestling with him in the house. My dog has proven to be far better than any woman i have been with. Women (and some blue pill fcuks) can learn a lot from a dog, eg loyalty.
6.i get to fcuk any woman of my choice at professional brothels, yes i pay, but a married man pays far far more! lol
7. enjoy observing my stout/resolute blue pill mates being belittled by their landwhales, makes me laugh inside all the time. These guys will just never understand it.
8. Being able to acculmulate money, no mortgage and now looking for another investment property.
9. planning to buy me a 2018 mustang here is Australia, bloody 12 month wait though, that sucks.
10. i have travelled recently overseas with 2 of my mates from work.
11. lifting weights 5 days a week.
12. Basically i do whatever i want, when i want and how i want. i answer to nobody…….except to my dog, resitance is futile! lol

[Anonymous 1]

Thank you for sharing. Yes. When she said she has no empathy, that’s definitely NPD! You should run then. But NPDs has this love bombing periods that makes you second guessing yourself, I know, I had been in this kind of relationship before. You would constantly changing yourself to their need and losing yourself bit by bit along the way. It’s a very very toxic relationship.

But I came to the conclusion that all romantic relationships are inherently toxic. I saw people change to what they think is better, regardless of how healthy the partners’ mental conditions are. They’re not better, they become a more subservient slaves, or in their term: MORE ADULT. pshhh

But I need to say this. I know I’m a lot younger than you are and less experienced, so take this as a friendly suggestion. In my research about NPD and BPD, I found out that people who get themselves repeatedly in a relationship with cluster Bs (like I was) usually has some kind of ‘problems’ too. Frequently problems with self acceptance and the longing to be accepted by other people. That’s why the love bombing period in the beginning of the relationship feels awesome and not creepy. Maybe you should work with this and see if you have some deeply seated unhealthy acceptance problems. Again, I’m not an expert and this is just a friendly reminder.

Good luck with everything, man.

[MaddladParticipant 765]

Im a Holden guy but those Mustangs are sexy. 🙂

[Oz-BlokeParticipant 3233]

Welcome cobber. Grab a beer from the fridge. You’re in good company here …

#ManOut

[nick123Participant 137]

Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for sharing. Yes. When she said she has no empathy, that’s definitely NPD! You should run then. But NPDs has this love bombing periods that makes you second guessing yourself, I know, I had been in this kind of relationship before. You would constantly changing yourself to their need and losing yourself bit by bit along the way. It’s a very very toxic relationship.

But I came to the conclusion that all romantic relationships are inherently toxic. I saw people change to what they think is better, regardless of how healthy the partners’ mental conditions are. They’re not better, they become a more subservient slaves, or in their term: MORE ADULT. pshhh

But I need to say this. I know I’m a lot younger than you are and less experienced, so take this as a friendly suggestion. In my research about NPD and BPD, I found out that people who get themselves repeatedly in a relationship with cluster Bs (like I was) usually has some kind of ‘problems’ too. Frequently problems with self acceptance and the longing to be accepted by other people. That’s why the love bombing period in the beginning of the relationship feels awesome and not creepy. Maybe you should work with this and see if you have some deeply seated unhealthy acceptance problems. Again, I’m not an expert and this is just a friendly reminder.

Good luck with everything, man.

Yes, you are spot on. i have and am working on myself. i feel ive reached the stage where i can see the red flags and will take action/get rid of the female, but you know what? it’s just not worth the trouble. much rather, if i have to, go to a professional service and be done with it. most of my friends are blue pill and married but there is no way i would swap my life now with theirs! i shake my head at the things my mates do. for example one of my mates who is married to a landwhale, who treats him like s~~~, who does not allow him to discipline her child in his own house, is now selling his 2 houses in order to buy a bigger house just so his wife can have space from their 2 kids, who they only have every other week anyway!!

[nick123Participant 137]

Maddlad wrote:

Im a Holden guy but those Mustangs are sexy.

Holden man ey? Hmm unfortunately holdens are now history, but i hear from an American mate of mine who used to work ofr GM USA finance that they are bringing the Camaro and the Corvette to Australia!! Now that would be something!

[Anonymous 1]

nick123 wrote:

one of my mates who is married to a landwhale, who treats him like s~~~, who does not allow him to discipline her child in his own house, is now selling his 2 houses in order to buy a bigger house just so his wife can have space from their 2 kids, who they only have every other week anyway!!

Yep. It will only get worse and worse. When they divorced and your mate has to work head over heel to pay the vaginamoney (alimony), you wont be surprise anymore.

nick123 wrote:

Yes, you are spot on. i have and am working on myself.

It will be a very long process. But it’s worth it. Just be yourself, push yourself for your own good, and forget about relationships. It’s a long dead concept.

[AttonParticipant]

Welcome to the site nice to see you here, that sure was a read.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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