My Intro

[Buzz KillingtonParticipant 8]

there is a TL:DR at the end. I kinda got on a ramble here.

It began over ten years ago.

I was in 10th grade and had dated a few girls. nothing serious. was still a virgin. but it didn’t really bother me any. I had a good social life, good friends. and hell, your in 10th grade life is great.

At the end of the school year I was introduced to a girl. We started dating. by that fall we were f~~~ing like rabbits. Now MGTOW didn’t really exist back then and nobody had prepared me for it but, when I had sex with her I became emotionally attached to her in a big way. I remember she took a two week vacation with her family that Christmas and I literally would fall asleep crying sometimes I missed her so bad.

to his credit my dad could see that I was getting way too attached to this girl and he told me (basically) “dude, you need to take it easy, shes f~~~ing your mind up”

Now I don’t blame her for that. It was my own damn fault for getting so attached. but I was young and dumb and what can I say, I f~~~ed up.

Anyway. she came back from her trip and we bought each other promise rings (you remember that bulls~~~?) so we were getting way too f~~~ing serious.

we dated for the next 4-5 years. the relationship was total s~~~ after the first year. we fought about everything. she would always get mad at me for spending time with my friends. She would retaliate by mentioning other guys around me.

for example. apparently some other guy from a different school asked her to go to his homecoming with him. then she asks me if its alright if she goes. now looking back I should have just told her to go right ahead. but at the time it f~~~ed me up. which is exactly what she wanted I’m sure. to get a rise out of me, to make me jealous over her, to be possessive.

that was a little over a year of us together when she started doing s~~~ like that.

it just got worse and worse. the sex dried up and we were like an old married couple. going through the motions. really I didn’t even want sex with her anymore. she stopped even trying to look good. would just wear random s~~~ and wouldn’t shave. f~~~.

now I still wasn’t a total pussy. the week after we broke up I contacted some of her friends and to my surprise her hottest friend from high school wanted to meet up. so I had her back at my place and we were literally moments away from f~~~ing when my EX starts banging on my door screaming s~~~.

I go to the door. shes drunk as hell and bursts though. sees her friend half naked on my bed and is running around like a mad woman. she goes to the kitchen, grabs a knife, and points it at me.

now I was p~~~ed at this point so I walked right up to her and socked her right in the face. she went down. took the knife from her, and threw her ass out my front door.

her ex friend was so shook up over me “hitting her” (like I had a f~~~ing choice, the bitch had a butcher knife and was hysterical) that she left. never got to f~~~ her.

it took me years after we broke up to realize that she was cheating on me. she had a brother that lived overseas and he was married to this foreign chick. I am absolutely certain she was f~~~ing her brother. I don’t know how I could have been so blinded to it but lets just say years later. I could finally see it clearly and it was like the ending of “the usual suspects” it all clicked and I finally saw the light.

now. I don’t mean to talk about this bitch for days and days but I haven’t had a girlfriend since her. hell. I haven’t had sex since her. I haven’t had sex in… maybe 8 years?

the only saving grace was smashing her f~~~ing face in at the end there.

so. to the present day.

I am 28 years old, own my own house, own my own car, own my own motorcycle, have an engineering degree, and a job that makes me about 175k a year. not bad. I spent all my time after her focusing on myself.

I am trying to get even further with my career and would like to start getting in a lot better shape as well. but over all I have a very good life.

expect I get zero pussy and act weird around women. at least the ones I wanna f~~~.

for example. cute girl at gas station is ringing me up, just us in the store. she says “ugh, the last shift left so much trash back here (there were boxes everywhere), idk how I’m gonna take this all out.”

now if this were some fat ugly bitch I would have just said “you look like a strong girl” or just said “yeah that sucks” or anything. but with this hot girl I just literally froze the f~~~ up. like a f~~~ing retard, and just sat there smiling at her. what the f~~~ is that?

its weird. I didn’t used to be like this. I could talk to girls and have fun. but now I literally have a panic attack when a cute girl talks to me or is around me.

so. I got everything else in my life handled except for this and that’s why I came here. I started looking at pick up artists style websites and kept hearing about MGTOW.

now I know you aren’t a PUA website. but I think I am picking up what you are laying down.

Obviously most of us want to f~~~ the s~~~ out of good looking girls. its just dealing with all their bulls~~~ before and afterward that sucks.

I guess what I am saying is that I blame myself for allowing myself to get this way. But I also blame women. They have turned into heartless c~~~s that have zero responsibility and have every benefit in society. I have come to the realization that I pretty much hate women. And while this might not be a healthy attitude, it is what it is. I hate them. I still want to f~~~ them, but I hate them.

My goal by being here to is adjust that mindset to the point where I can align my belifes closer to the MGTOW ideal. Not so much hating women but just not giving two s~~~s about them. Because if I could somehow make my mind see women as less than nothing, beneath even being hated. That it would take care of my issues.

Ironically it would probably start getting me pussy again. Because deep down I think women enjoy being treated like total s~~~. And that is what I am here to try and do. Go my own way and f~~~ as many sluts as I can while im at it.

Anwyas. Im sure ive said things that arent exactly “MGTOW” dogma, but kiss my ass, I just got here. Ill figure it out.

TL:DR

I fell in love with a cheating whore in highschool/college that f~~~ed my mind up. After we broke up I focused my whole life on developing my career. I now have a good job and make great money but have zero social skills. I have anxiety and panic attacks around girls. I am looking to develop a “dont give a f~~~” attitude toward women so that I can finally go my own way, be happy, and start pumping and dumping these bitches.

Thanks for listening.

~BK

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Forget about women man. About 1/2 of the population has some sort of STD. EVERY time you f~~~, you have a 50% chance of getting an STD. So if you f~~~ 2 different chicks, chances are you’ll get one. Not to mention the risk of pregnancy. Even if the chance of getting her pregnant is 1 in 1,000,000, why would you take that risk? Get yourself a fleshlight. Or keep going down this road and end up with an STD and at least $250,000 poorer thanks to a f~~~ing “oops” baby.

[globemasterParticipant 443]

The past scars from your relationship are affecting your confidence in dealing with women. The more you know about women more you lose confidence or interest in dealing with them.

[Anonymous 42]

Buzz Killington wrote:

Not so much hating women but just not giving two s~~~s about them.

As soon as YOU realize what ulterior motives women have and the ruthless things they’ll do to achieve them, all the beauty melts away and all you see is the pathetic creature they really are.

Your “freezing up” around hot women is because the bundle of nerves from the little head are stimulated and trying to take over the big head. When you truly >get it< then all you see is a painted clown trying to attract men that still have minds of easily manipulated children. You’re still blinded by their superficial beauty.

You’re still in the matrix and only beginning to wake up. You’re still caring about women, hating women is still caring about them, hat is an emotion, perhaps the only befitting emotion, but never the less still an emotion. When you truly stop giving a f~~~ the lizard brain goes to sleep and the logical brain takes over.

You could offer me an orgy with 10 of the hottest women on earth and I would still decline because I’ve climbed a mountain of wisdom. Wanting to ass slam a s~~~ load of women is the child mind having a tantrum from all the misgivings and letdowns to your >expectations< to be treated fairly and respectfully.

Trust me, the more women you f~~~, the more pieces of your soul become tarnished as each of them have their own unique brand of nasty. It’s like trying on brains in an insane asylum,a s~~~ty little piece of them wipes off like you’re a roll of toilet paper, eventually leaving you with nothing but the cardboard center core (the stripped hull of your spirit).

I enjoy a level of peace damn few men have ever achieved throughout history. The woman modal has been safely removed from my brain.

I have no desire to see them, talk to them, or get to know them. I’ve come to understand their nature and respect them for what they are, and that’s a hazardous and reckless endangerment to my sovereignty, spirit, and mental health.

look past the makeup, past the beauty, and see them in the light of truth, NOT the artificial light of beauty.

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Anonymous wrote:

Buzz Killington wrote:

Not so much hating women but just not giving two s~~~s about them.

As soon as YOU realize what ulterior motives women have and the ruthless things they’ll do to achieve them, all the beauty melts away and all you see is the pathetic creature they really are.

Your “freezing up” around hot women is because the bundle of nerves from the little head are stimulated and trying to take over the big head. When you truly >get it< then all you see is a painted clown trying to attract men that still have minds of easily manipulated children. You’re still blinded by their superficial beauty.

You’re still in the matrix and only beginning to wake up. You’re still caring about women, hating women is still caring about them, hat is an emotion, perhaps the only befitting emotion, but never the less still an emotion. When you truly stop giving a f~~~ the lizard brain goes to sleep and the logical brain takes over.

You could offer me an orgy with 10 of the hottest women on earth and I would still decline because I’ve climbed a mountain of wisdom. Wanting to ass slam a s~~~ load of women is the child mind having a tantrum from all the misgivings and letdowns to your >expectations< to be treated fairly and respectfully.

Trust me, the more women you f~~~, the more pieces of your soul become tarnished as each of them have their own unique brand of nasty. It’s like trying on brains in an insane asylum,a s~~~ty little piece of them wipes off like you’re a roll of toilet paper, eventually leaving you with nothing but the cardboard center core (the stripped hull of your spirit).

I enjoy a level of peace damn few men have ever achieved throughout history. The woman modal has been safely removed from my brain.

I have no desire to see them, talk to them, or get to know them. I’ve come to understand their nature and respect them for what they are, and that’s a hazardous and reckless endangerment to my sovereignty, spirit, and mental health.

look past the makeup, past the beauty, and see them in the light of truth, NOT the artificial light of beauty.

Holy s~~~, you said everything perfectly. I wouldn’t f~~~ a woman even if you paid me. I wouldn’t take a free session with the highest end prostitute on earth. Women are just selfish animals following their instincts to breed and obtain a walking wallet. Unless you want to become a broke father, ignore the motherf~~~ers. Focus on your life and what you want to do and don’t give them any space in your head.

[Buzz KillingtonParticipant 8]

Anonymous wrote:

As soon as YOU realize what ulterior motives women have and the ruthless things they’ll do to achieve them, all the beauty melts away and all you see is the pathetic creature they really are.

Your “freezing up” around hot women is because the bundle of nerves from the little head are stimulated and trying to take over the big head. When you truly >get it< then all you see is a painted clown trying to attract men that still have minds of easily manipulated children. You’re still blinded by their superficial beauty.

You’re still in the matrix and only beginning to wake up. You’re still caring about women, hating women is still caring about them, hat is an emotion, perhaps the only befitting emotion, but never the less still an emotion. When you truly stop giving a f~~~ the lizard brain goes to sleep and the logical brain takes over.

You could offer me an orgy with 10 of the hottest women on earth and I would still decline because I’ve climbed a mountain of wisdom. Wanting to ass slam a s~~~ load of women is the child mind having a tantrum from all the misgivings and letdowns to your >expectations< to be treated fairly and respectfully.

Trust me, the more women you f~~~, the more pieces of your soul become tarnished as each of them have their own unique brand of nasty. It’s like trying on brains in an insane asylum,a s~~~ty little piece of them wipes off like you’re a roll of toilet paper, eventually leaving you with nothing but the cardboard center core (the stripped hull of your spirit).

I enjoy a level of peace damn few men have ever achieved throughout history. The woman modal has been safely removed from my brain.

I have no desire to see them, talk to them, or get to know them. I’ve come to understand their nature and respect them for what they are, and that’s a hazardous and reckless endangerment to my sovereignty, spirit, and mental health.

look past the makeup, past the beauty, and see them in the light of truth, NOT the artificial light of beauty.

Well written and good points but are you trying to say men should literally care nothing about women period and simply avoid them?

see that is what I fear this forum and the mgtow ideal really is. gone so far that you are basically promoting the collapse of the human species.

Women need men a hell of a lot more than we need them. but for the species to go on we do need them. even if its just a little bit.

to say you wouldn’t even f~~~ ten hotties if they were begging for it. why not? You are telling me that if the hottest girl on the planet was right in front of you begging to suck you off and ride your dick you would decline? I mean. are you telling me there is no scenario possible, ever, that would end with you having sex with a woman?

three options. you are either lying, are in fact gay, or have some sort of severely damaged libido.

Ive been seeing a lot of posts like that and it is concerning.

if that is actually what MGTOW advocates in general then it is a policy of insanity.

i hope you can clear up what exactly you are advocating though.

[WallyParticipant]

A lot of guys here still date, some don’t. The point is there is inherent risk with dating and having sex with women, the experienced guys are just giving you their perspective.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[BufordParticipant 935]

Nobody is advocating anything. Everyone here is following his own path, and his own insights on what being MGTOW is, or more specifically what it means to him on a personal level.

As i’ve said in several threads myself, this is a gathering place for many men who have come to certain conclusions about our societies that they don’t like, and who have come to these conclusions totally independent of each other. Many other members of this forum on the other hand, have come here after hearing about it from some other source.

I came here despite being on my own path for many years because i thought i might help from time to time as an example of how it is possible to achieve and be happy about separating oneself from the merry-go-round.

Of course as something grows there is a tendency, and danger, for people to look for some sort of codification. Do not look at this as an advocacy, make up your own mind about what your life means to you, and how you wish to pursue it. Some things here will make sense to you, others won’t. But no-one is here to tell YOU what is right and wrong. We’re just here to tell you OUR stories and what we do.

"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Buzz Killington wrote:

for the species to go on we do need them.

We aren’t in a glacial maximum; there are 7+ billion f~~~ers here.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Your introduction BK is thought-provoking and provocative.
And the replies generated are exceptional.

Appreciate your efforts and questions which reminds me of myself at your age.

You were doing fine in the beginning of your intro, but you f~~~ed up towards the end, especially in your reply to Tower.

Nevertheless, those mistakes at the end are good for everyone because you have exposed some powerful blue pill indoctrination.

It would be fascinating to bring your fifty year old future self into this conversation and hear what he would say to you, me, and the free and/ or freed men on MGTOW.

Sadly, I was too rough on the guys who tried to warn me. They opened their hearts to me and told me their truth. My foolish responses to them were regrettable. They are all dead now and it is too late to thank them. And all of their predictions happened.

My comments below are words that I would say to my twenty year old self.

Buzz Killington wrote:

ive said things that arent exactly “MGTOW” dogma

Using the word “Dogma” here is an insult to MGTOWs.

Historically, “Dogma” is some bulls~~~ that a religious Authority forces down everyone’s throat.

MGTOW is not a Religion.

There is no MGTOW Authority.

Most MGTOWs and I have come to believe that woman are dangerous, woman are destructive, and woman are evil.

MGTOWs with a lot of experience chasing woman, especially me and some former PUAs, also agree that there are no “Unicorns” or NAWALTs.

Buzz Killington wrote:

three options. you are either lying, are in fact gay, or have some sort of severely damaged libido.

You have just summarized what I thought of the men who tried to warn me about woman, when I was in my twenties.

Just like me, you are being a bumb ass.

It should be entertaining to see how Tower responds to your f~~~ up here.

Tower’s posts and replies are among my favorites here at MGTOW.

If there were a man of the year award at MGTOW, I would nominate Tower.

Perhaps if you read every one of towers posts and replys to others, you may eventually learn to stop being a fool.

Ive been seeing a lot of posts like that and it is concerning.

if that is actually what MGTOW advocates in general then it is a policy of insanity.

Ive been seeing a lot of posts like that and it is concerning.

if that is actually what MGTOW advocates in general then it is a policy of insanity

When your mind has been in a dark prison cell for a long time, it is disturbing and painful when the cell doors are opened and the free world becomes an option.

Anonymous wrote:

Trust me, the more women you f~~~, the more pieces of your soul become tarnished as each of them have their own unique brand of nasty. It’s like trying on brains in an insane asylum,a s~~~ty little piece of them wipes off like you’re a roll of toilet paper, eventually leaving you with nothing but the cardboard center core (the stripped hull of your spirit).

This is the truth.

I have described this phenomenon as having scars and permanent damage.

However, the longer a man remains c~~~ free, the better his life is in every way.

Sex…often is so chemical.. you think it’s love.

I completely agree with Went Camping.

Science proves that a woman’s pheromones and sex is equivalent to a heroin addiction.

Finally, MGTOW is a place for free and/or freed men to write about stuff that is not allowed in the places controlled by those who wish to enslave us. Most of this MGTOW stuff is disturbing to those who have been conditioned by the slavers.

And you are still free to go away “chasing the dragon” even after you have been warned.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Buford wrote:

Nobody is advocating anything.

Well said Buford. That’s the beauty of this website.

Buzz Killington wrote:

Anwyas. Im sure ive said things that arent exactly “MGTOW” dogma, but kiss my ass, I just got here. Ill figure it out.

There is no “dogma” that’s the thing. We are not advocating anything and not selling anything. We give absolutely zero f~~~s if one agrees with us or not. In fact KeyMaster has placed a convenient “Exit Immediately” link available to anyone.
That being said, many of us had the same feelings when we first came here. The same questions and the same experiences.

Buzz Killington wrote:

Well written and good points but are you trying to say men should literally care nothing about women period and simply avoid them?

I personally had the exact same question in my head when I first came to this site. And in fact, I stopped coming here for a few months because I thought it went too far. But, after trying to find answers elsewhere, some of the things the people here said kept coming back in my head and they started making sense. Then I decided to make an account and joined the site and I’m here since.
Because, you see, our premise in the question was wrong. Your(and mine) question assumes there are still ‘women’ out there to be cared about. The truth is, however, that try as we might, none of us have found these unicorns anywhere. There are tens of thousands of us looking, yet we could only find NAWALTs.

Now let me ask you this, having lived through a toxic relations~~~, would you go back to that so that you can “save the species”? Is a species like that worth saving? Is bending to the will of the Golden Vagina the way to do it?

Stay tuned, read some of the articles and posts here and decide for yourself. I have a feeling you’ll eventually feel quite at home here.

Welcome brother!

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[RedPillBonerParticipant 541]

I am pretty new to the site and the red pill life in general. The one thing I have enjoyed about this website is that generally we stick together.

We are all in different times in our lives and have different stories and perspectives which I find fascinating.

I enjoy playing poker and online poker as well. There are many forums and sites for poker players to discuss hands they played and poker theory in general. What I found with those sites was that everyone was pretty much a dick. You could not post a simple question without getting berated by somebody. It was just an awful experience.

So far MGTOW is different which I appreciate. My story which I have been telling in phases is loaded with “shoulda woulda couldas”. It would be easy for somebody to just jump on and be like “you are a f~~~ing idiot”, “I would have never done what you did”. But people on here don’t. They are understanding and feel the pain with you.

Let’s not ruin that by labeling our brothers.

[Buzz KillingtonParticipant 8]

Hmm. Well I will take everything with a grain of salt then.

I guess I just see the total elimination of women in our lives as something that is not to be desired. but I suppose i can respect that some men here hold that view and that is their path.

I actually went out today and had a few interactions with good looking women at various stores and at first locked up (like i normally do). but then thought about mgtow and thought to myself “f~~~ this person, they hold no power over me, they are beneath me”

and i actually calmed down a hell of a lot and acted relatively normal.

I think I will lurk here for a month and read up on whats going on before posting anymore.

intros are intros but I shouldn’t comment until i get a feel for things.

as one last thought though i would like to hear what Tower has to say about my question.

Is there any circumstance that ends with you willingly having sex with a woman?

I guess a “no” answer to that is just so outside of my reality that i would find the answer and explanation fascinating.

thanks,

~BK

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Buzz Killington wrote:

Is there any circumstance that ends with you willingly having sex with a woman?

Yes, but only with a video of her consent to engage in intercourse, and a vasectomy. If she asks WTF??, I would respond with “Welcome to the results of feminism.”
It would only be at her place so I could leave if/when I wanted to.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Anonymous 1]

I enjoyed your introduction, buzz. It was brutally honest and funny.

But……

Buzz Killington wrote:

Women need men a hell of a lot more than we need them. but for the species to go on we do need them

Why do you care if “the species” goes on? I couldn’t give a flying f~~~.

Seriously bro, what does it benefit any of us to see this plague of an existance carry on?

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