My First T-Shirt Idea

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9558]

I’m using Vista Print’s T-shirt graphical page to design T-shirts, just toying around with ideas and giving myself a visual. Well I made a graphic of my first MGTOW T-shirt idea. This is just a demo only; it’s not going to be printed, at least not now. So don’t ask for price or availability, because this is just to show you what I came up with, if I decide to form an online t-shirt business.

http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/residentevil7200/media/MGTOW%20Shirt%20Demo_zpsxvzqzupc.png.html

http://s1053.photobucket.com/user/residentevil7200/media/MGTOW%20Shirt%20Demo%201_zpspvkx9u76.png.html

So if I do decide to build an online shirt business, what do you think of my first demo?

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[LivinitupParticipant 135]

What about copyright?

Not only with the MGTOW Logo but also the other stuff you mentioned like Res.Evil and stuff….

Personally, i’d never wear anything mgtow related… Stealth Mode.

Best of luck!

give us liberty, or give us death!

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9558]

Livinitup wrote:

<p abp=”199″>What about copyright?

<p abp=”200″>Not only with the MGTOW Logo but also the other stuff you mentioned like

Then how do you explain the ones sold on Zazzle or CafePress or Redbubble? No one special owns those when they use the logo? And I hope you’re not just trying to discourage me from making money with a business idea, which I desperately need. I don’t think I’m doing anything wrong. If so, then those shirts on those other sites above should take theirs down also. Why just me?

I might be ignorant saying so, but MGTOW is a movement, and you can’t own a movement.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

What you have there looks like some sort of team jersey shirt. I don’t think you need to spell out the acronym. Let people look it up for themselves. I also think understated is a better approach.

Put a small MGTOW logo on the front left breast and a larger, pithy MGTOW expression on the back. Something like:

☐ Married
☐ Single
☑ Doesn’t Give A F~~~

If you come up with the pithy expression yourself, it’s copyrightable. MGTOW itself is not.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Nice RS

good luck in this endeavor

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9558]

sidecar wrote:

<p abp=”257″>What you have there looks like some sort of team jersey shirt. I don’t think you need to spell out the acronym. Let people look it up for themselves. I also think understated is a better approach.

<p abp=”258″>Put a small MGTOW logo on the front left breast and a larger, pithy MGTOW expression on the back. Something like:

<p abp=”259″>☐ Married<br abp=”260″>
☐ Single<br abp=”261″>
Doesn’t Give A F~~~

<p abp=”262″>If you come up with the pithy expression yourself, it’s copyrightable. MGTOW itself is not.

Thank you. I feel much better. It’s not like that MGTOW street sign logo was really patented by anyone.

By the way, how did you insert squares and a checkmark? Just the same how do you insert male or female silhouettes when quoting a conversation?

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

ResidentEvil7 wrote:

Thank you. I feel much better. It’s not like that MGTOW street sign logo was really patented by anyone.

True, but you probably want your own shirt designs to be copyrightable. I understand the industry is full of biters. That’s why you need more than just the MGTOW acronym, “Men Going Their Own Way”, and the MGTOW logo.

By the way, how did you insert squares and a checkmark? Just the same how do you insert male or female silhouettes when quoting a conversation?

Click on the shortcodes link in the forum tips box in the upper right corner of this page.

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9558]

sidecar wrote:

ResidentEvil7 wrote:

<p abp=”350″>Thank you. I feel much better. It’s not like that MGTOW street sign logo was really patented by anyone.

<p abp=”351″>True, but you probably want your own shirt designs to be copyrightable. I understand the industry is full of biters. That’s why you need more than just the MGTOW acronym, “Men Going Their Own Way”, and the MGTOW logo.

<p abp=”353″>By the way, how did you insert squares and a checkmark? Just the same how do you insert male or female silhouettes when quoting a conversation?

<p abp=”354″>Click on the shortcodes link in the forum tips box in the upper right corner of this page.

That one example I gave was just a graphical prototype on VistaPrint which I was linked from my Webs.com home screen. Just one unprinted example. Of course I need to do more than just using the MGTOW street sign and phrase. I like to make t-shirts in the following using pictures, and words:

MGTOW
Ninja Turtles
Resident Evil
Mortal Kombat
Fitness
Military
Patriotic
Jokes, phrases, sayings
Conan The Barbarian/Destroyer
Animals
Other graphics and colors

Whatever comes to mind. I have a creative mind, and I love pictures and graphics. But again, that one example I gave was just me tinkering around, and making just one demo example.

The only thing that worries me about making MGTOW shirts, is that people sometimes think MGTOW is a hate site, because it criticizes females, and I don’t want my might-be business to think I’m a hater and would customers feel right wearing something like that? That’s one thing I hate about women, is they get all up and arms when someone is against them.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[LivinitupParticipant 135]

And I hope you’re not just trying to discourage me from making money with a business idea, which I desperately need.

Actually, i´m trying to do quite the opposite…

Saving you from blowing what little money you have on a whim without doing your due dilligence.

That´s why i asked if you have looked into the whole copyright conundrum. You might be right about the MGTOW logo, i don´t know. That´s why i´m asking. To see if you did your homework, like, at all!!

Instead you are here just assuming it won´t be a problem… *sigh*

Your not just a dude making cute fan art (companies usually don´t go after fan art) on cafepress and whatnot, you are trying to build a business out of it and the response of copyright owners will most likely be different.

Again, i´m not talking about the MGTOW logo (where i don´t know if anyone copyrighted it) , i´m mostly talking about Resident Evil, Turtles, Mortal Kombat and the like and for those, there ARE companies out there with the copyright that will most likely SUE you for using that stuff without “prior permission in writing”, or send a cease and desist letter…

You don´t KNOW if these other guys selling stuff aren´t in legal trouble already, you just assume they aren´t and refuse to put in some work to save yourself from such potential legal trouble…

I´m not saying that s~~~ to “stop you from making money” but to save you from legal bills or having to destroy hundreds of t-shirts because the copyright owner says you can´t sell them!!

Good god, you´re making the same mistake as with your computer AGAIN. Running with an Idea before thinking it through or investigate possibilities…

You just assume everything will be golden, refusing to aknowledge possible pitfalls!

Another thing is the site itself. The world isn´t exactly waiting for “obscure website no. 500.000 that sells t-shirts”. Most people will NEVER find your site and those who do might be reluctant to buy from a new online shop they never heard off. And just like with your gaming rig, you are about to enter an absolutely oversaturated market, there are hundreds of sites out there selling stuff like that and i just don´t think a MGTOW shirt will make you stand out from those…

All in all, i just think that as a buisness model the whole idea needs a lot more scrutiny and critical thinking and you might be better off to hold your horses until you get an even better idea. I would´nt say ANYTHING at all if you had 10.000$ to p~~~ away on a failed attempt but i don´t think you can shrug whatever kinda money you will be putting into it off from what you´ve told us, can you?

Right now, what you are doing is GAMBLING. You gamble on the fact that no one will sue and you gamble on the fact that anyone will buy (based on 1 guy wanting a hoodie?)

That´s a pretty risky outlook to start a business, don´t you agree?!

By selling a MGTOW shirt, you might also be painting a big fat target onto your back for getting doxed or harrassed by people who really think we are in fact some kind of hate group that has to be attacked for the greater good.

Again, please don´t take this as an Attack on you, i just think the business plan might have some huge holes in it and needs refining.

give us liberty, or give us death!

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

CAFE PRESS check it out. My son made 300.00 on a graphic. He did use something that was copyrighted (he was 15 didn’t know any better) and they pulled his account, but they did send him a check for everything he sold. He was one happy camper.

As for the Tee I have no idea if the symbol is copyrighted, should be easy to look up. As for wearing it as a target. Put a warning and let the user decide. “This Tee may trigger some c~~~s to violence”
Some people seem to love p~~~ing other people off and will eat it up.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

I want a mug that say’s “I eat shaming tactics like tic-tacs”

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

You want chicks to look at you, print a mirrored surface.

You want chicks to leave you alone, small letters on left breast: “I got mine at vasectomy.com”

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9558]

Well I have to make money and it’s not happening filling out job apps and going to interviews only to do it all over again and again.

Man, every time I get an idea, someone needs to but a barricade in front. It’s no why I never get anywhere in life; too many naysayers.

By the way, who is going to sue a company that barely even has money to surrender? It would cost more money to sue than to just tell someone to stop it. No one is going to spend thousands of dollars a day on a lawyer to take down a low profit site business. As far as getting people to know my site, that’s what SEO comes from.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9558]

Livinitup, how do you explain this when it comes to Ninja Turtle copyright?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Mens-TMNT-Vintage-Gray-T-Shirt-Size-2XL-/172326611740?hash=item281f776b1c:g:YtMAAOSwXeJXdyqi

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Mens-TMNT-Black-Gray-T-Shirt-Size-Large-L-/182294768885?hash=item2a719d6cf5:g:0HoAAOSwdWBXPHsL

There is nothing in the auction that says anything about it being official or licensed. So as far as anyone is concerned, this guy is likely printing from his parent’s basement and threw it on eBay.

Now this one I have questions about when it comes to legality: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-TMNT-Mens-T-Shirt-Kickin-Shell-Turtle-Attack/112087156186?_trksid=p2045573.c100507.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Dfe5974173c4543629621aa856ed3d7ce%26pid%3D100507%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
That one says that it IS officially licensed merchandise, but his brand name is “In My Parents Basement.” This gives me the impression that he’s lying about it being official merchandise and is running a shirt business from his business. I mean Nickelodeon wouldn’t make business with anyone who’s got a name that sounds like he’s printing from the basement and selling on eBay. There’s other eBay listings that give the impression that people are claiming it being official, but also gives the impression that it’s also a home business. I don’t get it.

And how do you explain for this guy who ran a shirt business from his parent’s basement while in college, expected to make $750,000 in 2011?

So there it is. You say that no one will find my website and if so, no one would buy from an unknown site. Well, the guy in the video started Crooked Monkey, which is a business I never heard of, but made 3/4 million dollars one year.

So far I haven’t done anything except dreamt and hoping.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9558]

Ah-ha! Look at this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RESIDENT-EVIL-T-SHIRT-umbrella-corporation-t-shirt-LOGO-Unisex-FREE-UK-P-P-/122068950130?var=&hash=item1c6be05c72:m:mHfluOEa5xemQIcMTHeMJ-Q

In that auction, the guy openly says:
“This item is unofficial and not affiliated with anybody or company on the item.
It is made using our own unique artwork.
Names, Films, companies are for descriptive purpose only.
You purchase accepting our Return Policy and T&Cs.

All items are strictly Unofficial Merchandise.”

If eBay is allowing him to sell that, then it should be considered OK to print the Umbrella Corporation logo onto a shirt and sell it.

So I gave you a few examples of eBay auctions that don’t say anything about copyright, licenses and ones that did, gives impressions they are printing in a basement (could be lying about being official by Nickelodeon or Capcom). Are you still going to tell me it’s wrong for me to do what I might be doing after seeing the examples and hearing my side?

https://themanszone.webs.com/

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