My Cafe Experiment This Morning

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

So at 7am this morning I am at my usual cafe which is quite busy grabbing my morning espresso. Now, this cafe is usually quite full of young and attractive girls/women and one of the staff is smoking hot. Anyway, this morning I thought i’d try out the MGTOW lifestyle by completely ignoring them, not looking directly at them or even acknowledging them. The results? Astounding….

This cafe at the same time is generally full of tradesman and white collar men alike. They gawk, chat up and gather around the women. I walk in, im a regular, and order my coffee and proceed with MGTOW lifestyle. After a while not giving these women any time I could see the really attractive ones slyly looking at me out the corner of my eye repeatedly or using their phone screens as a mirror to sneak a look if I was looking at them or checking them out. Now, the trick I used was not looking down or scanning my phone, I stood up striaght, chest out and looked ahead at the chalkboard menu. I waited about 5 mins for my coffee and the longer I waited the more I noticed the women continually and desperately looking at me and just wanting that validation, even the hot staffer was now looking up from the espresso machine regularly at me. Great feeling to know these princesses are attention whores and have that expectation that men should be looking at them continuously so they can feel better about themselves or call him a creep. Grab my coffee, swing around look directly at the door and make a bee line, zero interaction with them!

I would like to hear some similar stories from the guys here.

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

I don’t look at the women that I’m usually around, and as far as I can tell, they’re not sneaking peeks at me.

It can’t be that I’m ugly as F~~~. I have countless women approaching me on Facebook just because they happen to see my profile pic and they think “I’m cute” so they want to hit on me in Facebook messenger. 17 women so far this season. I don’t ever respond back anymore. Only one type is attracted to me, and I don’t need any more creepy women-messenging stories.

But in public? Don’t think so. Maybe because I look poor to them just because I don’t have a decent-looking luxury car that I ever drive.

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

mgtow_85 wrote:

It can’t be that I’m ugly as F~~~.

I don’t even think it is that, I think they just want the attention. And nothing destroys a woman more when you look them squarely in the eye and say indifferently “You’re not my type!”

[DoinMyOwnThing40Participant 1000]

I really do have the attitude of “I simply can’t be bothered.” I make it a point  not to look at women in a way that would make them think I have the hots for them.

When I do mess up from time to time (I can’t help it a guy sometimes really needs to look at eye candy), I can tell that the girls always look at me with an expression like “Do you think I am hot? Ok, good, I think that you are admiring my hotness.”

It’s like they are seeking my validation.

Women are parasites. Each and every last one of them.

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

DoinMyOwnThing40 wrote:

I can tell that the girls always look at me with an expression like “Do you think I am hot? Ok, good, I think that you are admiring my hotness.” It’s like they are seeking my validation.

That’s exactly what they are doing!

[Anonymous 1]

Yep, sounds legit.

I did a similar experiment at the place where I train martial arts. I posted mine on the thread “When this “nice guy” thing will stop” (or something like that, don’t remember the name exactly). There is this woman there that every mans seems to drool for, and although she is not any top model, I can see the appeal she has. I, more to keep my sanity than for the experiment itself, decided to ignore her as much as I could. Since we are training on the same place, and sometimes on the same class, it wouldn’t be possible for to not say hi when she addresses me or when it is obvious I saw her, or it might look odd for me. HOWEVER, I try to keep the MINIMAL contact possible. For me, I treat her as one of the guys, and since she barely speaks to me, I don’t give a s~~~ about her either. And, as I stated on the previous thread, changes were SUBTLE but hey were THERE. Specially when there is NO OTHER MAN available to give her attention. It’s fascinating actually.

Unfortunately I had to stop my observations on the subject since she had to go back to her home country for the time being, but I am looking forward for her return since I am curious to see HOW FAR would SHE go to get MY ATTENTION. I already draw a few conclusions from this few interactions (or should I say NON-INTERACTIONS) I had with her:

a) PUA’s have no IDEA what they are talking about. Really, I am starting to think that all this talk about “confidence” and “clothes” and whatever PUA’s preach about (sorry, but my PUA knowledge is not that broad, actually my knowledge of them is as minimal is it can be) seems to be bulls~~~. Being aggressive the way they preach will most likely end you in trouble. IRONICALLLY enough, IGNORING THEM (but REALLY IGNORING them) seems to be the most effective scenario.

b) They CRAVE attention, I think the same way some men like to show off. The thing is, MEN have been practicing self-control (either by peer pressure or by self-actualization) for sometime now. I don’t think women had to control their need for attention… EVER. So when you just don’t give a f~~~ you stand out, when you are THE ONLY ONE not giving a f~~~, something clicks on their brain.

I was going to wait until I gather more data on the subject. It is funny too, if those subtle changes on her behavior had happen when I was still a blue pill man, I would have had done something stupid by now (like, you know, trying to win her over, compete with the other men of the academy for her attention), but since I’ve been taking the red pill, I am facing this almost like a researcher.

I have to admit though, at one point I caught myself looking at her after sometime just before she left. I was actually enjoying the little disguised show she was putting. Oh well, I am human after all.

Anyway, we will how far this will go. I intend to try to starve her from attention as much as possible, specially now that I realize that even if for some moments I was actually drawn to her. It is a win win situation as far as I can see. I either get a little bit of fun with her trying to get my attention, or I get peace. Either way I will just go my way.

This is my story, will keep you guys posted if anything else happens.

Cheers

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

So now is the time to work on involuntary looks of dismissal for those occasions when you do make eye contact.  This lest you observe them directly in a way that doesn’t show any interest.  Quite the opposite, actually.

Don’t look away immediately.  Instead do things like a slight shake “no” of your head, a short contemptuous stifled laugh, a slight wrinkling of the nose, those sort of things.  Then look at something else specific instead of just looking randomly away from her, like you find the employee of the month sign on the wall to be infinitely more fascinating than her for example.  It can help if you imagine every woman you see has a “blue waffle” hidden under her clothes.  If you don’t know what that is, google it.  I am not going to post it here.  Consider yourself warned.

Do this properly and the resulting behavior is amazing.

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

sidecar wrote:

Instead do things like a slight shake “no” of your head.

 

Like this alot!

[33wolfmanParticipant 216]

Awhile back I stopped int the local salon to get a hair cut, six woman on staff, 18-40ish and none over 150 lbs. Walked up to the desk and said I was there for my appointment and was told that the one who usually cuts my hair was busy and I had to wait. So I find a comfortable chair and sit back and cat nap (very useful in the military). Every time I heard a unusual noise I would slit my eyes to see what was going on, and wouldn’t you know it every time one of the staff was either walking by or I would catch them looking at me in the mirrors. I go to pay the one who ended up cutting my hair and two of them come out of the back room and stand by the desk. I was just being cordial and they looked at me like I was from another planet. It’s funny how you can use their minds against them if you just treat them like any other human.

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

Ha, on another note – totally separate, I just saw my ex in her car. She actually pulled out 2 cars ahead of me on a main road and soon enough the two cars turned off the main road so there was only me and her with 100 yards of space. She literally hits the pedal from 60 km/h to i estimate over 100km/k to get away although I was turning off in the next 2 streets. They are literally f~~~ed up in the head and I still wonder “how can someone I was with for years, loved, cared for and be intimate with act like that?” Seriously, I myself or any man I know doesn’t act like that!

[finallyfreeParticipant 341]

I hear you loud and clear – “how can someone I was with for years, loved, cared for and be intimate with act like that?” It’s like looking at a stranger in a way??

I know what you mean. That feeling you get when you see an ex in public (actively trying to avoid you or not) is weird.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

DeepInThought wrote:

Ha, on another note – totally separate, I just saw my ex in her car. She actually pulled out 2 cars ahead of me on a main road and soon enough the two cars turned off the main road so there was only me and her with 100 yards of space. She literally hits the pedal from 60 km/h to i estimate over 100km/k to get away although I was turning off in the next 2 streets. They are literally f~~~ed up in the head and I still wonder “how can someone I was with for years, loved, cared for and be intimate with act like that?” Seriously, I myself or any man I know doesn’t act like that!

Oh that one’s easy. In the olden days, if a woman wronged a man severely enough to flee from his presence. It’s generally because she knows she deserves an ass whooping.

Police will stop that, but it’s so far ingrained into her biology… she does it by instinct.

Also, some part of her knows she wronged you, and she doesn’t want to see that side of herself. So she flees herself, and you.

 

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

As for my experiences, I find it hilarious when girls who sit in the front of the class find a reason to “turn around randomly” so they can “hear” the professor giving his lecture, when hes plenty loud enough.

I ALWAYS catch their eyes VERY briefly flicking to me, then back to the professor. Definitely not in my head, busted. They’re VERY fast about it though.

Mostly because I’m tall and imposing, they don’t want to risk meeting my gaze. It’s f~~~ing adorable that they think they’re getting away with it.

I’ll crack a random joke on occasion and listen to the broads who laugh the loudest. That’s always fun and an easy read.

If you ignore them, you WILL catch them glancing extremely quickly if you’re patient. They’re very good at it though, men just stare usually.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

Working overseas I get approached a lot.  Mostly by 3rd world women who want a trip back to the Big PX.  Just having an American Accent attracts these women.  However, in the States there is nothing about my appearance that gives away my life success.

I don’t know if it’s because of all the s~~~ holes I’ve lived in, or my overwhelming want to just retire as soon as possible, I am just not into spending money on petty things.  Certain things I’ll spend cash on.  Stuff that when I am 90 years old I’ll still be using.  Like a nice pocket watch, sterling silver money clip, custom Zippo, sterling silver cigarette case, stuff like that.  Anyway, that’s not the point.  These things I purchase for myself will never be noticed by a woman anyway.  They just don’t have that much of an eye for detail.

What is noticed by women I don’t spend on.  I order my shirts from Wal-Mart or GolfSmith.com when they are ten bucks a pop.  I wear slacks from GolfSmith.com when they are ten bucks a pop.  I wear Hanes Undies and Socks.  However, due to bone structure in my feet I have to wear Dunham or NewBalance shoes, which is probably the only name brand item you’ll see me wearing.

I figure I put over 50% of my paycheck into investments.  I learned a long time ago about the difference between being rich and being wealthy.  The two are nowhere near related.  I also learned if you want to become something learn from people who have done that something.  I want to be wealthy, but if I am rich as well I have no qualms of being.  Wealthy people buy things so that they never have to buy another one again.

Wealthy –  No need to worry about money

Rich – Having a lot of money

Someone who lives off the land is wealthy.  They have no need for money.  Someone who is rich may be wealthy, but some people can be rich and become poor.  Most western men I see that are trying too hard to find a woman, by definition, are rich.  However, they spend all their money to buy flashy things in order to attract a woman.  Name brand clothing, overpriced car, larger living area than needed, so on, and so forth.  They are not wealthy.  They worry if they have enough money to attract the woman/women of their desire.

A wealthy individual will have the hardwood furniture that will never have to replaced.  They will purchase the heavy house phone that will never have to be replaced.  They will buy tools of good quality that will never have to be replaced.

Spend excess money on things that will not last, the money will not last.  Spend for quality and long term usage, you will have more money later on that will not have to be spent on things that do not have to be replaced.

As you can see, by following my thought pattern, a woman is a Rich purchase, not a Wealth purchase.  A woman will degrade in every way possible as she gets older and will become more expensive to maintain.  You’ll even have to keep paying for years if she leaves you.  Not a great financial decision at all.  Most wealthy people lease cars.  Cars lose value over time and cost of maintenance goes up the older the car gets.  With a lease, yes, you will be constantly paying, but you will receive a new car every two to four years before the maintenance costs become overwhelming.  So, rent your women when you get the chance, but don’t purchase one.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

@bigd – You got your s~~~ sorted, great read!

[Anonymous 11]

DeepInThought wrote:

I think they just want the attention

It’s surprising how much of a woman’s actual use of her brain runs on this very shallow concept. I know over the years I’ve had my fair share that just feign interest to see if I respond and then withdraw once I’ve validated the hag.

Good experiment too as they hate being ignored.

[RoyDalParticipant]

BigD wrote: “Like a nice pocket watch…” @bigd, what kind of watch? Do tell! (My “collection” is two Casio G-Shocks. I’m kind of a nut on the G-Shocks, and I have to rein in my impulse to buy everyone I see.)

BigD is absolutely correct. Smart money does not pay cash for depreciating assets.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BigDParticipant 3024]

RoyDal wrote:

BigD wrote: “Like a nice pocket watch…” @bigd, what kind of watch? Do tell! (My “collection” is two Casio G-Shocks. I’m kind of a nut on the G-Shocks, and I have to rein in my impulse to buy everyone I see.) BigD is absolutely correct. Smart money does not pay cash for depreciating assets.

For just day to day wear I recommend mechanical watches from Trio or Mudder.  However, for the good stuff Charles-Hubert.  Nothing says class like winding a watch.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[RoyDalParticipant]

I’m a big fan of Patek Phillipe and Rolex … too bad I’m too cheap to spring for them. My cheap plastic G-Shock watches will have to do. One major plus is G-Shocks can take more punishment than the human body. I’ve ruined more than a few top brand mechanical watches simply by wearing them. This is not a problem with my current timepieces.

EDIT: When BigD wrote “pocket watch”, I thought of this book. The author has a very impressive collection of Patek Phillipe pocket watches, and his book is a very good read.

Marking Time: Collecting Watches and Thinking about Time
by Michael Korda (Barnes & Noble. 2004.)

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[experiencedParticipant]

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

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