"Muslim societies are both gynocentric and patriarchal" (A Great Reddit Post)

[Charles BSpectator 251]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3izwo8/gynocentrism_in_islam/

Recently, I’ve been seeing a lot of hostility towards Muslim men in general. I get the criticisms of Islam because I feel Islam is one of the worst religions around. With that being said, I’m also an atheist, so I’m highly skeptical of most religions as it is.

However, I hate that some MGTOW actually believe all the lies tradcons and feminists portray about Muslim men. I hope to prove those lies false with this post I found on Reddit. This post expresses most of my ideas regarding Muslim men as it is.

Muslim men have to deal with gynocentric bulls~~~ just as much as western men.

[HitmanParticipant]

good article.
i couldn’t care less what muslim men have to endure though..
i understand that women are valued higher than men, even in muslim country’s.
i wish they would stop blowing people up though,
makes it REAL difficult to feel bad for them.
don’t get me wrong, i liked the article,
it explains a lot about how gender politics get played out to manipulate people..
the truth is islam IS a rape culture, they prove it again and again.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@hitman

I don’t agree with anything being a rape culture. As far as them blowing up people, I don’t think the majority of them are doing that.

I could also criticize what Christians do also, and although they don’t go to as much extremes as Muslims do, they do some pretty horrible s~~~ as well.

[HitmanParticipant]

no disrepect , however i see what your’e saying..
the “christians” have priests molesting little boys..
the muslims gang-rape in colonge was a little different.
BOTH are absolute s~~~ .
seems like muslims are taught any woman not covered is up for a rape.
the christians are not taught this.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@hitman

Oh, I know. And subjects like this are very touchy even among MGTOWs.

I just hate that some MGTOWs think most Muslim men are vile, while at the same time supposedly empowering men.

Because I’ve seen quite a few posts lately about how they’re criticizing Muslim men, yet, act all high and mighty while being Christian men.

That’s one of the reasons I rarely comment about subjects like this, but I just had to vent.

[HitmanParticipant]

i’m hearing you..
the world is filled with a great variety of people, with beliefs that differ.
there is good and bad in every group.
some have more bad than others ..
doesn’t mean ANYONE is perfect.
why do they blow people up ?
response to war.
we all lose when this vicious cycle continues.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@hitman

I completely agree.

[HitmanParticipant]

thanks charles b ..
sorry if i stole some of the thunder from your post ..
good dealing with you.
keep posting brother !
i’m off this thread now…
cheers !

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@hitman

Haha, no problem either way.

And thanks.

[bob__Participant 946]

For each married man there are 3 men considered expendable.

[Anonymous 5]

Very good article Charles B.

I remember at least one muslim guy posting here who was born in a Middle Eastern country and was living there.
The social pressure to marry is off the charts.
He also claimed that women are the power behind closed doors and that just about every marriage he’d known with his family and friends,,,was the usual facade.
He hated the fact that he’d have to marry.
Muslim countries are loaded with the “Old Men’s Bar’s” that Stealthy talks about in a recent thread. Only there, they use coffee or smoko as an excuse to get THE F~~~ out of the house and away from their nagging hags.

As shown in another thread on here at the moment, we’re led to believe that Hindu New Delhi is a bastion of Patriarchy and the rape capital of the world.
However we see on another article posted previously quoting police reports that over 70% of all rape reports in New Delhi are false rape allegations under the new laws that women can report guys as raping them if they don’t follow through with a promise of marriage.

Don’t ever buy the bulls~~~ that women are OK or oppressed in another country or culture or time.
They’ve always indoctrinate men from the cradle onward and they’ve always been the gatekeepers to men’s sex lives.

The Jesuits are famous for saying “Give me a boy of six, and I’ll have him for life”
Women get access to brainwash long before this.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@0rdinaryguy

Thanks. I’d thought I share it just to vent and because it’s a great article showing that even Muslim men go through gynocentric bulls~~~ as well.

I’m sure even in Asian countries such as China, Thailand, Indonesia, etc. All have f~~~ed up marriage/relations~~~/divorce laws that f~~~ men up as well.

[Anonymous 5]

Not sure about Thailand or Indonesia because I haven’t seen them discussed here yet
,,,,,,,,,,,but Chinese women
They’re the most hypergamous c~~~s on earth, hands down, game over,,,,,,,,,next

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Hitman wrote:

good article.
i couldn’t care less what muslim men have to endure though..
i understand that women are valued higher than men, even in muslim country’s.
i wish they would stop blowing people up though,
makes it REAL difficult to feel bad for them.
don’t get me wrong, i liked the article,
it explains a lot about how gender politics get played out to manipulate people..
the truth is islam IS a rape culture, they prove it again and again.

I think its just a matter of perspective; that differs greatly across the countries…. what the eastern men see as ‘justice’, the westerners may see as ‘oppression’. I’ll cite an example:

My ducks have recently joined a huge party of ducks in the neighbourhood pond five blocks away. WHen you go there, you could see the ‘fights’ among the ducks; each mae trying to fight off the next…. ‘coupled’ ducks running away from the fight when it gets intense.

One of the couples had a weaker male; so when another big strong started to ‘rape’ the female, the weak duck couldn’t do anything other than bite the attacker’s eyes. I felt jittery. That is exactly what rape cuture is to me.

Of course nobody gives a f~~~ about a duck party…. there are a ot of differences between animals and human beings; morality being a major differentiating factor. But, like I said, nobody gives a f~~~ about those ducks…in the same way, very few people in the east really think there’s a ‘rape culture’ prevalent in their area.

Just take the college rape culture as an example. For the people who ‘believed’ there’s a rape culture, there is a rape culture. FOr those who didn’t, there isn’t one at all. Its all a matter of perspective; unless of course, that perspective is disrupted by cold hard and crisp undeniable facts.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Anonymous 24]

Hitman wrote:

good article.
i understand that women are valued higher than men, even in muslim country’s.
i wish they would stop blowing people up though

I am a little confused by this statement. You do realize the U.S. has “blown up” over 1 million in Iraq alone, all based on lies. If we are talking Mid Eastern conflicts overall in recent history “Christian” America and Jewish Israel takes the trophy BY FAR in the “blowing people up” department. You just don’t get to see it on the news. S~~~, Israel has been killing Palestinians at a rate of 50 to 1 for decades now all the while crying “TERRORISTS!”.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

I was going to do a thread on a similar topic after experiencing Kuwait for 3 months. I don’t have access to that article right now so forgive me if I repeat anything in it. Some points that I have noticed in Kuwait, which is the 2nd most strict gulf country after only Saudi Arabia.

1) Women are the queens of the castle. Muslim men even acknowledge she is the boss at home.

2) Because of arranged marriages, most couples don’t love each other and extra marital affairs are rampant. Women meet up in hotels and f~~~ other men a lot. A LOT. Men also do the same.

3) The vast majority of the migrant workers (Indians, Filipinos, Sri Lankans, etc) are afraid of women, especially arab women, because they can f~~~ your whole life up if you p~~~ them off.

4) There are many many many gold diggers who get married and divorced to collect a paycheque. Some women have made a career of it. There are also many western women looking for oilamony (alimony + oil money).

5) There’s nothing to do here but shop and go to cafes unless you have wasta (connections) which puts you above the law. Women do just that. Shop and eat out often.

6) While you think most families here are traditional, and they are, the Kuwaiti natives are very rich and have Filipina housemaids do all the cleaning, nanny kids and help with preparing meals. It only costs a few hundred dollars a month. Even I could afford one but only families can have a live in maid.

7) Women are very protected. The drawback is some have to wear the burqa, although it is not mandatory. Women’s attitudes toward that is that their beauty is their gift only for their husband. It’s not seen as a tool of oppression by men or women, only western eyes. Only married women wear it and many/most don’t. Saudi is a different story.

8) Women have the right to vote, despite the myth that they don’t, so you can expect things to get worse very soon. 2 or 3 generations.

9) Men are very blue pill. My students constantly tell me I have to get married and have kids. I constantly tell them no and one of the younger single students in my class agrees with me. mgtow taking root?

10) Moms choose the wife for their sons.

11) You are allowed up to 4 wives but most men don’t because they realize that your problems will increase exponentially. Only the very wealthy go for a second wife. Most men just cheat.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

@uchibenkei

That’s very interesting. I’ve noticed ever since becoming MGTOW, that I started to highly criticize the claims of middle eastern, Muslim men made by the western and even eastern media. Most people who demonize them come from a tradcon background. Most of the rape claims come from a feminist background.

So, i started to do a little bit of researching on this. What I found out, is that countries such as Saudi Arabia do have certain war zones that are unsafe for anyone. However, in the main city areas, their laws are sorta medieval. But, their societal standards are more or less around the same as it was for the U.S. around the 1950s.

I just think all this demonization of Muslim men portrayed by the media are scare tactics trying to get more men to go to war in order to gain more resources.

[Anonymous 24]

Charles B wrote:

I just think all this demonization of Muslim men portrayed by the media are scare tactics trying to get more men to go to war in order to gain more resources.

Indeed, the numbers don’t lie. Israel/U.S. have been plundering the Mid East for a long time now. The body count on the side of those being invaded based on lies is astounding, yet all we ever hear about is the terrorist attacks in mainstream news… Iraq and Libya are two countries who did not attack anyone, yet have been completely destabilized. Chaos and anger has risen from the ashes, all is going as planned, with no end in sight.

[Anonymous 24]

Watch till end for building 7 rant. It fell hours after twin towers.

[Max_PowerParticipant 61]

Hitman wrote:

good article.
the truth is islam IS a rape culture, they prove it again and again.

Did you know that in islam the penalty for rape is death???

I personally don’t believe the nonsense the media spews out about muslim man and gang rape or other bulls~~~ of the same sort.

Feminist have no mercy for western man. How can they have any for the middle eastern man ???!!!

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