Muslim man

[darkoverParticipant 14]

Hi there,

I’m an Asian man in the early 30s. Not too sure where to start. But here goes.

My family had struggled with poverty since my early years and had succeeded to a modest extent (small apartment, no debt). Parents did the best they could even though neither had gone to a proper school and both were orphaned at a young age themselves. They had an arranged marriage, are of different races, both races had *quite* a lot of prejudice against the other at the time. Neither parents liked the other and it was all around not ideal. My foster grandmother had degenerated at randomly spitting at anyone passing by by the time I was 5 or so.

Still, they did the best they could and tolerated one another at least. Set back by a financial scam by well-meaning but clueless relatives, but recovered. To cut a long story short, my brothers got married and none of us really recovered. The remaining brother and I are now much wiser.

When I was a kid, I was taught to respect all women, put them on a pedestal, get married… etc. I had even argued before in the past that marriage in the ancient sense was a good noble thing that protected women financially. Of course, in the past, I also happened to be a fantastically stupid fool (at least regarding this). Most women today don’t want equality. It’s even past the point where they want equality without responsibility. Many women want to dominate their spouses and view them as little more than cash cows.

I’ve more to say on this, but I cannot really find the words. Anyway, I put “Muslim man” in the title as I see few, if any Muslim men in these forums. I’d like to correct a few misconceptions about my religion if you may. At least with regards to women.

Whatever else you may think of Islam, it does not abuse women nor lower them as the feminists are quick to say. It’s officially written in our holy books as direct quotes to “send daughters to schools”, “do not kill female infants”, “rape is punishable by death”, obey your mother before your father…. etc… There are lots more. It’s explicitly stated many times that the genders are equal…

BUT… that men are natural leaders. So the man is the head of the household and a woman cannot be the spiritual leader of a man though she can lead other women in that capacity. There are other privileges for a man owing to the fact that he is the one financially responsible for the woman.

At any rate, regardless of dogmas of religion, the actual reality is that in most of the Muslim world, women are not systematically abused. There are some men who beat their spouses and some women who do the same. Men are not necessarily the dominant ones. Personal example: I was watching a movie when my aunt commented randomly that men are chauvinist pigs who only want sex with many women, in front of her sons and daughter. I was the only one who seemed taken aback by this and so was shamed for disagreeing. I’ve also been to muslim forums where a woman went on a long rant about how terrible men are. I substituted all instances of the word men for women and vice versa and posted the same message. Apparently I was being unreasonable according to the women. Most of them men on the forum were quiet as the grave. Only a single guy voiced some hesitant support. These incidences aren’t the exception by the way. Oh and this is from my non-muslim chinese friend. He walked in on his girlfriend when she was with other female friends and they were joking about chopping a man and cooking him. No, I’m not making this up and he’s not the type to lie. I’ve some Western internet acquaintances over the years who have some vague thoughts that perhaps an asian woman is not as feminist as a western one. This is simply not true. Maybe in the distant past, but not now.

Well, if you’ve agreed with nothing on my long rant, then at least believe me when I say that neither Asian society nor Islam is “male-dominated”. I’m starting to think that even in the distant past, not that many societies are as male-dominated in the way that the feminists portray them to be.

There was actually one woman that I was attracted to very much. She was always nice to everyone and this is important to me, she treated her boyfriend well. Many women around me treat their bfs and husbands more like property and dogs than someone they supposedly love.

There’s more I want to say, but I’d best stop here as I think I’m rambling incoherently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SyncSoloParticipant 18]

Hi darkover, yes women want and in a lot of cases get it all with no responsibility and little effort put in by themselves. That’s the true nature of  the scam that is modern feminism, equality is 50/50 not 80/20. But some refuse to accept that.

It’s interesting your words about Muslim women not all being the abused, passive and helpless creatures that the media likes to paint. I always thought you guys had it easier what with arranged marriages, but that doesn’t happen everywhere. Other cultures are worse in some ways, but the “traditional” way to do things is ignored in many Asian and African countries. Why aren’t the western feminists campaigning against the way women are treated over in those places? They think they have it bad here in the UK or even worse it seems in the USA and other so-called “1st world nations”.

It’s right a lot of women see guys as what they can get from them, can they pay the bills, give her a comfortable life and don’t see him as a person with his own emotions, needs and wants.

[Dans0nParticipant 36]

Welcome to #MGTOW. It’s nice to see, that so many different people, with different beliefs, from all over the world are coming together to “walk their own way” or should I say rather walk this way together?

It’s just awesome.

[constraints_theoryParticipant 43]

Darkover you are not the only one to have mentioned something along those lines. there was a post here recently (by recently a few weeks ago maybe) who was from the middle east and essentially said the same thing you did in regards to women in Muslim countries. i will admit it was surprising to me to know that because all we ever here is how “bad” it is over there for women but i digress…

as for you yourself Darkover i welcome you brother to the community and good luck on your continued journey of going your own way. we are your family now if you got something on your mind feel free to tell us we are all here for each other.

see you around the forum and once again welcome!

I've killed worse than you on my way to real problems.

[gamespot1114Participant 20]

Hello and welcome,

I’m very happy to see Muslim men on this forum. I am not Muslim, but I am Arab/Middle Eastern, and I actually just finished posting a new forum thread about the inaccuracies of the Middle Eastern culture, and how women are not the helpless victims that the media points them out to be. Again, very happy to see Muslim men here, and hopefully we’ll see more Muslim and Middle Eastern men on this forum soon. Welcome to the community-we’re lucky to have you here.

[gamespot1114Participant 20]

Dark Paladin,

I believe I am the person you are talking about lol! It’s a pleasure to read your words Dark Paladin!

[constraints_theoryParticipant 43]

yes it was you gamespot114! lol i couldn’t remember your forum name all i could remember is that you had posted a few weeks ago lol.

glad to have bump into you again on the forums brother!

I've killed worse than you on my way to real problems.

[darkoverParticipant 14]

Thank you everyone for the warm welcome. It is very much appreciated.

SyncSolo wrote:

Why aren’t the western feminists campaigning against the way women are treated over in those places? They think they have it bad here in the UK or even worse it seems in the USA and other so-called “1st world nations”.

I have a lot of respect for those few women who try and campaign in those few areas in the world where there’s genuine abuse of women. There’s little real misogyny in the first world nations, especially not in the more wealthy areas. Those feminists who cry about insufficient child support while the woman already gets a lot of money from divorces and such have no respect at all from me.

Dans0n wrote:

Welcome to #MGTOW. It’s nice to see, that so many different people, with different beliefs, from all over the world are coming together to “walk their own way” or should I say rather walk this way together? It’s just awesome.

Thanks. I’m actually struggling with a lot of things right now. But it makes me happy that I’m not the only man who thinks that feminism as it’s practiced now is extremely destructive. I used to think that I’m one of a very, very small minority.

constraints_theory wrote:

because all we ever here is how “bad” it is over there for women but i digress…

Much obliged for the warm welcome. I can only speak more for the wealthier asian nations (with lots of muslims). But it seems that we’ve started to copy the west in terms of how women are treated. Afaik, in traditional Islam, when a divorce occurs, both families are brought together to try and settle things amiably. The man takes what is his except for things that he gives as gifts in the past. The woman takes what she has earned personally. Then the man gives three months of “basic provisions” to the woman so that she has theoretically three months to find some living arrangements. The children go to the man since he is the breadwinner. The point being that the more financially established person should have the kids all other things being equal. As a practical example, my relative divided the six children three and three since the two spouses have somewhat equal financial capabilities.

In the current age though, divorce is happening more and more like the West. I think what the media means is that the women here are not having it *quite* as good as their western counterparts. My Swedish online friend told me many horror stories. Unfortunately, some of them were his personal ones. I salute those western fathers who try their best to give their children a good future despite the ridiculously lopsided divorce laws. It’s a truly noble struggle.

gamespot1114 wrote:

we’re lucky to have you here.

I’m fortunate to be warmly received and am glad to meet you here.

 

Oh, btw, this is totally random but the art on all these MGTOW avatars are really good.

 

 

 

 

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Welcome, glad for your voice.

I posted some observations I had, as a white male, about your culture on one of gamespot’s threads.  Glad to have your voice.

I have a “conservative” family and am tired of hearing about the “need for women’s rights” in the middle east.  It is pure bulls~~~.  And I say this as an “outsider.”  I wish my “people” would focus on our own problems.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

@darkover  welcome to mgtow.  Enjoy the forums.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Gambit1015Participant 23]

Wow and here I thought I was the only Muslim Mgtow hah awesome glad to see there are others. I am a middle eastern muslim who is mad as hell at this gynocentric society we live in. No matter what our religions are no matter what misconceptions there may be no matter what color you are, the MGTOW community is always here to help. Mgtow is all about uniting and helping our brethren from all over the world…..I think (still in the process of this red pill digestion) Regardless I am thankful for MGTOW.

Eye Have You

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

OP, welcome to the Forums, stay relaxed, positive and enjoy your stay here, I hope you will find some good information and things that will help you personally, either something eye opening and new or something reassuring. In the end, I hope you will benefit from this website.

Gambit1015 wrote:

…..  Mgtow is all about uniting and helping our brethren from all over the world…..I think (still in the process of this red pill digestion) Regardless I am thankful for MGTOW.

I agree with the first half of your message, we all came from different backgrounds and roads here.

Former christian, now atheist here, just if you are curious.

 

I don’t agree about “uniting” part of your message, from what I observed on this forum. I’ll explain more:

I see MGTOW as a Crossroad or a Campfire, where we as individuals relax and share wisdom, enjoying a sight of Earths sky free of BS.

That type of communication and sharing information, life views etc. can be and is very helpful.

But, I don’t see any “unification” really, people come and go, shared knowledge is what remains here. There is a nice spiritual “bonding” maybe between some people here (and real life which is even more cool), and a feeling of not being alone in the core principles, but in the end we all go our own way.

Hopefully, taking something good out of it and feeling better about what we do.

MGTOW is not about uniting people in to a collective or becoming a political force, the only way to win this game is not to play. Its more about sharing wisdom and support, that’s for sure.

 

And yes, Im thankful aswell. I dunno why I had to share my view of this, Probably because I was thinking about it some days ago and your message reminded me of it. Or, Im over-thinking things as usual. Anyway, Cheers !

 

 

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[VoidraitheParticipant 477]

darkover wrote:

I used to think that I’m one of a very, very small minority.

As did I Darkover then I learned there were more out there who thought as I did, who have anguished as I have. I am here to talk, lend support and welcome to MGTOW.

[Gambit1015Participant 23]

Mr. FullMetalExo

That was deep as f~~~. I like your definition better. However just to inform you I didn’t mean we are a political force or collective I just meant that we have built a network amongst each other where we share our wisdom and say “f~~~ you” to society and their bulls~~~ expectations. On a side note I love watching our brothers troll feminists

Eye Have You

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Gambit1015 wrote:

Mr. FullMetalExo That was deep as f~~~. I like your definition better. However just to inform you I didn’t mean we are a political force or collective I just meant that we have built a network amongst each other where we share our wisdom and say “f~~~ you” to society and their bulls~~~ expectations. On a side note I love watching our brothers troll feminists

Good day to you and thanks ! Ah, and I agree, we are seeing it the same way then, I misunderstood at first.

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[LathanderParticipant 6]

Feminism is hitting secular and westernized  non-European countries too. Not as bad as America and Europe as it seems, but it is here nonetheless. It is not uncommon to hear sh*t like ” I dress for myself”. Now middle-aged men suffer from female abuse and it is coming stronger for younger ones like me.

Double standarts are applying here too on law and some part of the society.

I am not muslim,atheist and I am  from a secular country where islam is predominant religion (Turkey).

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