Modern "Relationships"…

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I just found this site yesterday, thanks to a true friend. First off, I can not express how gratifying it is FINALLY hearing other men who are intelligent enough to see through the plattitudes of the “modern” woman.

 

I have ALWAYS had this perception of women, since youth. Virtually zero men have ever agreed of my perception of women, until I found this website.

I have read MANY accounts, as to why MGTOW. Here is mine, and I would like to hear any thoughts on the matter.

“Feminsim” is often given as a reason, and I WHOLE heartedly agree with this premise. What kills me, and at one and the same time distracts me, is a forum such as this where we recognize SOME of the problems, yet I would like to know of more of you identify most of the problems, as do I.

 

“Feminsim” now a days, equates to women dressing as SLUTTY as possible. Most guys say this is “great”…eye candy for us! This forum is unique because it made me realise there are Actually men like me in this world who think.

 

 

Do many (most of you) realize this “slut” outfit, is nothing more than a control mechanism?

 

Most (tool) guys think its great …p~~~es me off.

 

 

 

Resident cynic.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

There is only ‘hooking up’. Relationships are dead. Marriage is a contract with the state.

Not my problem. I didn’t create it.

Fuck this planet.

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Women dress slutty to attract attention, which they’ll then shun 90% of male approachers for their own validation. They also want to eliminate other female competition to attract an alpha. I agree that the slut-off we see in western society is disgusting.     Welcome to the site.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

First off, I can not express how gratifying it is FINALLY hearing other men who are intelligent enough to see through the plattitudes of the “modern” woman. I have ALWAYS had this perception of women, since youth. Virtually zero men have ever agreed of my perception of women, until I found this website.

Roger, roger. Welcome good fellow. I think women have always been that way and the western social machinery only encourages it to bring out the worst in them, while exalting them for it. It’s about showing just enough ass and t~~~ for plausible deniability. See the female news anchors with the low cut tops and cleavage popping out and one can only laugh.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I liked the eye-candy slutty Halloween costumes, but it always puzzled me a little bit, since Halloween is supposed to be scary (right?) But now I connected the dots:
Maybe they wear them because they ARE truly scary – and you should be afraid of this sight. but men don’t get it.

The scariest Halloween costume to me now – is a bride in a wedding dress.

(This is sort of a funny observation – a joke. I’m having problem expressing myself here – hope you got what I was trying to say)

 

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

FreeGhost wrote:

Women dress slutty to attract attention, which they’ll then shun 90% of male approachers for their own validation. They also want to eliminate other female competition to attract an alpha. I agree that the slut-off we see in western society is disgusting. Welcome to the site.

 

Yes, I see other men can agree with me.

 

There are this type, you see, who are SO involved in their own masuclinaty, that ANY asusge of a girl is terribible….lol

 

Unf~~~ingamazing to me…ANY guy who perceives otherwise, is a COMPLETE fool..morons.

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hi @ancientwisdom. Appreciate your intro very much.

I remember being a little kid and seeing Madonna on MTV rolling around on the floor signing “like a virgin” with her nappy hair, gut hanging out, chewing gum, ragged clothing, high heeled shoes and socks…. and I truly thought: she looks like she SMELLS bad. Lady Gaga has the same effect on me today, but there is no question , Madonna was the first female celebrity who was celebrated for being “gross”. I didn’t know any girls like that, but her attitude was toxic too and it wasn’t long after that general female attitudes began turning toxic too.

In the Material Girl video, she cleaned up very nice to look like Marilyn… but listen to the gold-digging lyrics. In the same video, a guy brings her a diamond necklace and she gives it away or treats it like it’s “not good enough for her”. Singing about being a gold digger, but then diamonds aren’t enough.

Culturally, she really is the grandmother of Miley Cyrus, Britney, Niki Minaj and all the proud stage sluts – who call themselves “singers” – who would NEVER have been held up as examples of celebrity at any time before.

Over time I realizes women lost their allure, because “slutwalks” etc…
But SEX is not “sexy”. Only IMPLIED sex is “sexy”.

On one hand, I don’t mind “sluts” because I have a bigger problem with women who behave like sluts – while pretending they are NOT sluts. I wouldn’t mind a slut, good digger or a whore if she admitted that’s exactly what she is. On the other, their ability to have meaningful relationships , flirt effectively, and bond with men in a meaningful way is a lost art form. I preferred a time when a man gave woman something, she was grateful for it, but anonymously send the modern female a dozen roses today, and she will behave like she has a “stalker”. And it’s “creepy”. So men are simply fed up with all the “creep-shaming” and that s~~~.

Truth is.. THEY are creepy. Madonna was f~~~ing “creepy”. Lady Gaga is “creepy”. Slutwalks are “creepy”. Twilight Moms are “creepy”. Female teachers f~~~ing their male students is “creepy”. Teenage girls being hot for dead vampires is “creepy”. I am therefore thankful for feminism allowing women expose to the world what they REALLY are… so that I can thank my personal god I never married one.

Just look at this trash:

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I saw her in a quick interview, and when they asked her “wow its so successful!” you know what she said?? “OMG I just couldn’t believe it!”. Even SHE doesn’t know why people celebrate that trash and listen to it. She signs about her “big fat ass”… but YOU’RE an asshole if you treat her like a “sex object” and tell her she has a “big fat ass”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 1]

Hey AncientWisdom,

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as “Modern” relationship anymore. As I understand, relationship is when 2 people relate to each other, relying on each other strengths and covering each other weaknesses. Nowadays, with women, Men get to cover all the expenses, and be the overall “strength” and get all the blame, while the woman get to have all the weaknesses, but reserve herself the right to claim all the glory. That, if you are lucky to get a woman that want to be monogamous, since the trend now for women to sleep with as many guys as she can, in order to self discover, and than, once she tires of the c~~~ carousel, she feel “entitled” to land on a “beta”, who will be arching with all her bills/problems, and get none of the rewards (her youth, or sexual appetite since those she “fulfilled” with all those “alphas” and “bad boys”, you know, during her self discovery).

Dressing “slutty” is a reflection of this mentality. They think they shouldn’t bare ANY responsibility, that they are entitled to the gaze of only those THEY deem worthy, and anyone else that dares to point out that she looks like a whore (either on the clothing or on the attitude) is considered misogynistic. Never mind that if she could, she would partake on a gangbang if the men involved were attractive to her, but don’t you dare point that out, or you might give her PTSD for you mean comments.

In a nutshell, if dresses like a whore, and behaves like a whore, it doesn’t matter if she charges money or not, she is a whore. Or a slut.

So yeah, those are the “modern” relationships of today. And that’s why I don’t partake on any of those. You see, I am old fashioned, and I have something that in the past were called STANDARDS. So yeah, not happening. It is preferable to pay a real “pro” in those cases, since then at least you don’t have any illusion of “relationships” or “loyalty”.

Anyway, sorry for the rant.

Welcome, and I hope you enjoy the forums.

Cheers.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Anonymous wrote:

It is preferable to pay a real “pro” in those cases, since then at least you don’t have any illusion of “relationships” or “loyalty”.

To paraphrase the camera slogan: “Don’t be a hero, GoPro!” ))))

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

No such thing as a relationship nowadays, only a lot of time, money and energy to waste.

Truth is, they’re so busy being narcissistic, you can’t expect anything worthwhile from them.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

FreeGhost wrote:

Women dress slutty to attract attention, which they’ll then shun 90% of male approachers for their own validation.

Yep, it’s obviously the whole point: attention attention and attention/validation again is more than enough and that’s realistically all there is to it.

Who as a woman needs a relationship in this day and age, when there are plenty of guys lined up (additionally to in the real world now even online) to repeatedly validate women without any break…? Think about it: in the expression “validate” itself there’s already the word “date” hidden inside, almost as if they view each guy who vali-date them, that she already had a date with him or could easily have had a date with him, which subconsciously may make her believe to have just bagged a sort of extra high validation as in with a “cherry on top”, combine that with the figurative virtual small girl standing in a candy shop type of mentality, being literally spoiled for choice.

That would then result in her thinking process in the lines of: “Hmmmm tricky, tricky, tricky…  … (figuratively) he is nice, hmmm but he is also nice, hmm but then he is really awesome, ohhh but that one is more suitable for me…” and on and on this process goes until eventually, if she can ever make a decision, but as we know little girls rather want to go for everything in one tasty munch, which realistically they can’t do, she finally decides for one guy with reservations (!) and is always on the lookout for something yet better tasting, or as in one even better guy, hence her 20s phenomenon of the “c~~~ carousell”. And then by the time jumping off of that, she ends up being so confused about what traits she actually wants / prefers in a guy after all those different facettes which she already “tried out”, that it gets really tricky to finally find “the one” to settle down with. This mythical virtually impossible “one” that (as she secretly hopes) combines / has to have the best traits from each and every one of the carousell guys all rolled into one. But that “mythical one” is now very unlikely to have ever existed in the first place, so then the carousell situation from that point forward kind of continues but this time in very slow motion, whilst her sore clam starts hurting and the inner clock ticking for procreation gets louder and louder by the week…

… ohh, poor thing…!

But then no pity from where we are standing, since:

Just because most MGTOWs understand the very underlying basic nature of women, doesn’t mean that we want to be their perpetual supportive and comforting pets, read slaves…   … far from it..!

So much for that. (correct me if I’m wrong there, gents)

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Ned T;

Very enlightening response. I agree with your contention that modern women going down the proverbial “rabbit hole” of promiscuous serial relationships in their formative years leads to confusion over what facet they desire in a “permanent” mate. I think a decade of constantly chasing mates, switching horses, they loose the sight of the fact that everything in life, even a marriage, requires a certain degree of settling. For example, I might want to be a painter, yet I cannot support myself solely with my art; therefore I need to compromise and take a retail job at an art store to support myself. This is real life – you don’t always get what you want all the time. Yet, our current culture of you are a women- ‘you can have it all’ imbues them with such a sense of entitlement they feel justified in sabotage viable relationships because their current whims are not being met.

To illustrate, I was recently having a discussion female acquaintance. She was discussing how her current boyfriend made a good living and was going to provide her with her “dream home”. I asked a simple open-ended question. While I acknowledged that it was her dream to live on a ranch, what was her boyfriends dream? This simple question flustered her. It was patiently obvious that this was not even a consideration. She then stated that his goal was “to make her happy.” I countered with the observation that this was a “tad” one sided and codependent – p~~~y entitled attitude ensued. Just fell of the carousel and leaped on her beta – poor bastard.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

You are partly correct. It’s actually feminism, cultural marxism, gynocentrism, with traditionalism. It sounds like you need to get on youtube and watch some youtube videos.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

You’re welcome, Eyeswideopen. What can I say maybe except: “With age come a certain amount of wisdom and also from patient and vigilant observation over time…”

But your story talking to this woman acquaintance again inspired me, too so as to imagine what I would tell her or someone else in a similar situation should it arise. For instance if that was me in your shoes upon her answer that “his goal was to make her happy” I would have countered even more subtle with something like: “Oh, and then what (else)..?”

It also reminded me of a great couple of golden lines from the movie “Highlander” (the first one from the 80s) the scene with Conner Mcloud when he invited Brenda the weapons expert for dinner and she kept going on about: “You know I want some answers (about the ancient sword she had found) and I want this and I want that and bla bla bla…” upon which he just interrupts her flow of fancy phrasings and simply goes like: “You want…? Is there anything else relevant to you except what you want..??” Needless to say the following startled look on her face was just priceless (that should have actually been shown as a closeup on her face if you asked me), he he …

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

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