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Finland’s suffering from this “migrant crisis” quite a bit as well, especially after that one guy put on the KKK outfit during a protest. Now we’re being labeled as racists, while violence is increasing at the shelters these foreigners are staying at and they’ve made themselves look like ungrateful dumbasses by rejecting the food they’ve been offered. Hell, the same food people here eat every day!
Video of the food complaint https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgYh61YvYDo
Our economy is going down the drain fast at the same time, so those migrants are coming to a dead end anyway. How can the Finnish government help them if they can’t even help us at the rate things are going? Yet we’re told to suck it up and help because some bulls~~~ obligates us to it. We’re not the ones who caused the problems in Syria, why should we be paying for it?
A little rhyme, ‘Gimme Allah your Welfare’
I’m not a moron, because I read the Qur’an
Five Times a Day, I pray
The Five Pillars, they are real Thrillers
In this Area, we shall practice Sharia
This Free Falafel, it is awful!
Feed me well, you Infidel!
Or you will Dwell in Hell(I would make one equally offensive to Jews, Christians, and Atheists, but I cannot think of any presently)
Badkan: I do not deny the holocaust, but it needs to be looked at more objectively: The Nazis killed MILLIONS of gentiles: homosexuals, poles, Gypsies, Jehovah’s witnesses, resistance fighters, prostitutes, etc. They had a color code in the work camps and concentration camps for the six categories: ordinary prisoners, political prisoners, Jews, homosexuals, conscientious objectors, and antisocials (prostitutes and slackers). The Jews won reparations that these other groups NEVER saw after the war (e.g. Roma, etc), because they were politically organized. At the same time, the Nazis had a clear, organized plan for the extermination of European Jewry. Historians agree on the approximate number of Jews killed. And we have the minutes of the conference where the Final Solution was defined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference And of course, the Germans kept good records: In the four primary camps, you had 1.2 MM killed in ’42 alone per their own records: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial#Nazi_documentation
As for what constitutes a ‘crime against humanity’, had Germany won WWII, the US generals and civilian leaders behind the incendiary bombing of Dresden and other cities, would have been convicted War Criminals instead of War Heroes; similarly the Japanese would have found the US guilty of firebombing Tokyo, as well as both atomic bombs.
As for Nurumberg, politics CERTAINLY played a role! A classic example: We needed Werner von Braun to build us a moon rocket and ICBM’s; so surely he couldn’t be guilty of crimes against humanity for his ‘contributions’ to the V-2 terror weapon, right?! Good rocket scientists don’t grow on trees, ya know?
Also, I wanted to clarify my last (joke) rhyme: I have nothing against Muslims immigrating, or any other population, IF they are willing to work instead of loaf, and if they accept our basic culture of tolerance.
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Historians agree on the approximate number of Jews killed. And we have the minutes of the conference where the Final Solution was defined: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
Well, my question is, if it is written, does it make it true? If the historians agreed on a number that is impossible to reach, on a method of excecution that is impossible to recreate, should we forgo the physics and “listen and believe”? As I said before, if that is what makes the “truth”, all you need is give feminists time and the “rape culture” and “pay gap” will become undeniable truths, since they too will have all the “documentation” necessary to to “prove it”.
Besides, it has been a while since I studied the subject, but from what I saw when I was younger, the “final solution” discussed in the Wansee Conference was about taking the jews and put them in labor camps. In all the “documentation” that was taken from the Nazis, the ones that were not forged, there was never a plan to “exterminate the Jews”. They wanted them out of Germany, and they probably didn’t care if they died on the camps (the same way the americans didn’t care if the Americans that came from Japan died on their concentration camps in the USA), but then again, they were at war. The last priority for a nation in war is the well being of their prisioners. First comes the soldiers, than the civilians, than, lastly, prisioners. That is in EVERY nation. The “extermination” part was always implied by historians, and that passed on as fact. And before someone throws the “jewish conspiracy theory” as a reubttal, there is no need to such thing for this kind of misrepresentation to happen. All it need is pressure, to not offend the “victims” and voila, facts are forgotten and you have a whole narrative without any substancial proof, only circumnstancial evidence at best.
And that is my main grudge with all this subject. Questioning this makes whoever making the questions “anti-semitic”. The same way that anyone questioning the doctrines of feminism makes him mysogynistic. Besides, so much time passed, and so much propaganda was dissiminated as truth that at this point, there is little chance to know what really happened on WWII. At least for those that are skeptics and empiricists. Is it really any wonder how so many people believe in feminism, and why extremists in Islam are taking ground so fast? They learned from the past. That in the end, all you need to win in the camp of the ideas is not reason, logic, or facts. But EMOTION. So they do what others did before: they play the victim, therefore they are insent of any scrutinity.
Anyway, that is as far as I will go on this subject. Really pushing my luck here and, as I said before, I don’t care anymore.
Let history be written by the winners (or whinners), maybe in the future reason might come to be relevant again. But I doubt it.
Cheers.
I am Jewish (but not religious), but instead of feeling insulted, I’ll admit you have a point there.
Too often the other victims of the Holocaust get brushed aside by the media at large and by most history books leaving just a footnote.
But that said, I have no love for Nazis for what they did, regardless of who was the victim. I’m still worried about how things will turn out here with the refugees flooding in and the locals getting steadily angrier. People who are against foreigners will probably mistake me for an Arab due to my appearance, and I know that many Muslims are NOT fond of Jewish people at all. So no matter which side “wins”, I lose in the end.
I’m just wondering how Sharia law will integrate into western law. It’ll be interesting to see.
I agree with many of you.
This migrant crisis is certainly not going to improve Europe, that’s the least I can say, and the situation is going to go from bad to worst because Europe is no longer in a position to endlessly give since we been doing since the 70’s, thanks to the western-bankers’ orchestrated financial coup of ’08. We have Europeans living in the streets so those migrants aren’t gonna get much unless they steal and that’s only going to foment racism and fill the ranks of radical parties. And maybe the powers that be want a “clash of civilization” right here in our streets. I’m already going around with a blade and as the situation deteriorates, I might have to go carry accordingly. I’m not gonna put them all in the same basket though. There are honest people and sleezebags in any civilisation.
But whatever happens, I’d like to remind everyone that this migrant crisis did not happen overnight. It is the predicted result of the foreign policies of certain western powers in their bid to rule the entire planet. Whether orchestrated or not, I hope this crisis will be a catalyst for Europeans’ awareness of the global players’ long-term schemes and retake our system from the hands of our boot-licking, ass-kissing greedy politicians.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!BadKan: No, it being written does not make it true. But there is much corroborating evidence. The Wannasee Conference was the Plan; the second reference I provided, is one of many tabulating the killings, official Nazi records. The appendices in ‘Destruction of the European Jews’ give a detailed accounting; but figures range from 5 MM – 6 MM.
I’ve personally met a soldier who liberated one of the camps — he described emaciated individuals and gave an account in keeping with mainstream historians. That said, Germans didn’t have enough food to feed themselves let alone their slave labor. I don’t think the topic should be banned from discussion — ESPECIALLY the ‘public relations’ aspect — many more gentiles were killed in slave labor camps than Jews, though they are barely mentioned. Of course, Jews comprised a much smaller percentage of the total civilian population than gentiles; they were selectively targeted — as were Roma (gypsies), homosexuals, and anyone else thought to be a threat to Nazism. So they were disproportionately killed, both at the camps, and in the field ‘Operations’.
Persecuting Jews was nothing new in Europe; Hitler was just more efficient and brutal than his predecessors.
If you look at Mein Kampf, Hitler states Jews are ‘destroyers of civilizations’. And I would argue Hitler initially wanted to deport all the Jews, rather than kill them, but naval blockades prevented deportations. Lucky ones left when they saw what might be coming. Keep in mind, even the US didn’t want wartime Jewish immigrants — we sent the St. Louis away http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267 for instance
As for Sharia law, it can’t easily integrate with Western Law any more than can rabbinical or Catholic canon law. But if two Muslims, two Christians, or two Jews have a dispute within the same religious community, it is now sometimes handled in religious courts set up by said religious entities: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/08/applying-gods-law-religious-courts-and-mediation-in-the-us/ — I see nothing wrong with this if both parties agree — but you have to have a common civilian law for everybody else… It’s just another form of private adjudication.
Persecuting Jews has a surprisingly long history to it. From what I’ve read, it goes back to Ancient Rome and perhaps even before that. I still find it baffling when Judaism isn’t even a proselytizing religion. Why have people always attacked them if they just go about minding their own business? Either way, I don’t want to side-track this thread with “Anti-Semitism” but the migrant crisis is spelling bad news for Jews as well.
Once the Muslims start pushing too far, the Europeans will retaliate, but no doubt they will blame both Muslims AND Jewish people for the troubles. I keep seeing comments about “rich Jewish bankers that secretly control the world” while I myself struggle to pay the rent, among other things. The real question is, when will the first shots be fired and who’s going to be winning the initial fights? There will be dead Christians, dead Muslims and dead Jewish people in what will ensue no doubt. What I wonder is how many of those will be people I know and care about.
Interesting insights, gents. Sad to say, but a discussion on this level of depth is close to impossible on a german forum. Especially on this kind of topic. The PC-BS is strong on this side of the ocean. Minorities are claiming special treatment and got them granted, because everything else is discrimination. It seems like a Socialists wet dream is coming true.
I´m aware of the changing paradigms of the western society since a while, but lately it´s like more and more people are coming to their senses. For years it was like waiting for Godot. The sense that politics aren´t made for the people is spreading. At the moment it feels like we´re in the eye of a hurricane. Can´t stop it, but you can at least be prepared.
It´s not only about the current migrant crisis. Since the EU was formed there has been a big drain of money and brain from Germany. It´s all about equality, but on a lower level for everyone. Feminism, PC, be it a financial or a migrant crisis, these are tools of Socialism to reform the world. And you know that this ideology means nothing good for anyone who wants to go his own way.
IDGAF
icyshadow: I’m not Jewish, but to me, the ‘surprisingly long’ history of Jewish persecution isn’t surprising at all.
Why not? First, Christians blamed Jews for crucifying Jesus Christ. Bizarre, really, since their belief is he must be crucified to forgive the sins of mankind. Even if you are Christian, who believes in this sort of collective multi-generational punishment? Other than Judeo-Christian God, that is. But that doesn’t count; He is not a person. Christians also dislike that Jews don’t accept Jesus as their Messiah (since he doesn’t meet their prophetic criteria).
The second reason people hate Jews, in my opinion, may be so obvious, it isn’t even apparent. Jews are TYPICALLY highly intelligent and SUCCESSFUL. They aren’t thugs, filling up our prisons, generally — instead they are SUCCESSFUL. So JEALOUSY is a reason people dislike Jews. I also like Judaism because Jews don’t proseletyze. I don’t think Jews have better genetic intelligence than gentiles or that they are ‘God’s chosen people’ or any of that BS, but their culture typically promotes learning big time. It’s around 46% of Jews with household incomes over $100,000. The only religious group that comes even close to that is Hindus — and the US average, being around 18%. Jonas Salk invented immunization. Haber co-invented the process to manufacture ammonia to vastly increase crop yields. In physics, you have Feynman and Einstein. So many contributions for so few people.
As for Ancient Rome, the Jews were prosecuted for quite a different reason: As monotheists, they did not accept the Roman pantheon; since the Romans justified their reign based upon those Gods, it was expected conquered people would adopt them, even if only adding them to whatever Gods they previously worshiped. They also tended to like to revolt against their Roman masters.
I have worked with fundamentalist Christians who are anti-semitic. They spew out all this ‘banker’ bulls~~~. They have so little understanding of history, it is not even funny! Jews are over-represented in financial sectors and banking, largely because for a long period of time, Muslims and Christians could not charge interest on loans (as dictated by the Bible); Jews could. They were restricted in what professions they could enter, and banking was one of them. Because they spread out across many nations, and would take risks, and have business acumen, they’re successful.
Another aspect I like about the typical Jew, is that it’s not a minority that bought into the ‘victim’ culture. Not too many Jews sucking down booze and living off government. They do play the victim card to get foreign aid for Israel, that’s about it. I am surprised, though, how so many Jews favor leftist social welfare policies that keep people down, though.
I think anti-semitism is in decline but there are still lots of people who dislike Jews: http://global100.adl.org/#map/2015update
As for socialism: ‘The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people’s money’ – Margaret Thatcher
Everybody wants to be American, and they prove it by letting every third world piece of s~~~ waltz into their countries with his hand out.
The only reason women have so much privilege is because 20 million years ago they forgot how to lay eggs.
Another aspect I like about the typical Jew, is that it’s not a minority that bought into the ‘victim’ culture. Not too many Jews sucking down booze and living off government. They do play the victim card to get foreign aid for Israel, that’s about it. I am surprised, though, how so many Jews favor leftist social welfare policies that keep people down, though.
I think anti-semitism is in decline but there are still lots of people who dislike Jews: http://global100.adl.org/#map/2015update
As for socialism: ‘The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people’s money’ – Margaret ThatcherThat’s true! I got six hundred bucks stolen from me yesterday and when the cop referred to me as “the victim”, I got p~~~ed off. I might be a schmuck, or even a schlemiel, but I’m no victim!!!!
Yes there are lots of people who still don’t like us (they should live so long that I care), which is why we bury assault rifles and keep passports handy, because we’re not victims!!!
Do the Jewish version of that welfare song, I wanna hear it!
The only reason women have so much privilege is because 20 million years ago they forgot how to lay eggs.
Just found this little gem. It’s looking like, in order to have peace, stablitity, etc. the foreign invaders will have to be kicked out by force. Of, and as there isn’t enough bad going on, 86 people got vaporized by a series of bombs at a peace rally in Ankara Turkey. “Religion of Peace” at your service.
Anonymous1… O.o
I don’t know if this is true. It is always difficult to know what is true and what is propaganda with the suppression of information being held by the authorities, but if this is true, than may God have mercy on Europe (I am an atheist, by the way).
I am from a third world country, and trust me, these migrants, if this letters is accurate, are not from third world countries. They are from fouth, or fifh world countries.
This is so unreal! Good luck to my brothers over there! Regardless of you religion (or lack of), you will need all the help you can get. And then some!
Now the “migrants/refugees/whatever” complain that the internet is too slow in Europe.
Anonymous1So, I thought about how to end this post for me, and after a while I decided to do a last statement regarding the subject of the Holocaust, since it somehow relates to the post and it was brushed before.
If it was not clear so far, I don’t believe on the Holocaust. And the reason is quite simple: I couldn’t find any EMPIRICAL evidence that it happened (at least, at is stated by the official story). Now, there are a lot of testimonies and documentation, but, like I said previously, it doesn’t matter how many people say the same story, “no amount of belief make something a fact” (James Randi). Besides, the documentation that supposedly “proves” the “extermination plan” are circumstantial at best. There was a plan to remove the Jews from Germany and to put them on labor camps, as well as other people, but the “intentional killing of Jews” are the interpretation of the historians on what the said documents said, and that is subjective at best. The nail of the coffin to prove that that really happened, at least for me, would be what you expect from what would be the consequence of this kind of atrocity: the bodies of the decease victims of such extermination, and the “weapon of murder”. Well, it happens that there are no “6 million bodies” of the supposed victims. Many of the alleged victims bodies from the holocaust were never found, which is absurd if you believe that there were around 5 MILLION to 6 MILLION of them. And the method of “disposal” of such bodies, in order to justify the lack of evidence is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, so is the METHOD OF EXECUTION taking in consideration what was actually found on the labor camps.
And yes, there were bodies in the camp, before someone post the emancipated bodies of one of the liberated camps, but there is also many possibilities on how those people died, Germany was at war, after all, supply lines were cut and outbreak of typhus did happened, so, in an honest investigation you would consider these factors first, since they were more probable than the “execution on gas chambers”. On top of that, when all you have are those photos, you imply that ONLY JEWS DIED. Which, I think really HARD to believe that they were the only ones to suffer during the times of war.
There are more to it, but I want to try to keep this post short.
And as to the favorite “rebuttal” to people that try to prove this: it doesn’t need to be had a “conspiracy of Jews” in order for this “war propaganda” to get as well spread as has been today. All it needs is some intellectual dishonest “historians” and a more than willing amount of people to “believe”. If you think that there is no way that a large amount of people would just go along with it without all, or the majority of those people, agreeing to deliberately LIE (a.k.a without some type of CONSPIRACY taking place), then just look at Feminism, Traditionalism, ISLAM… There are many people of each of these “ideologies” that preach that theirs are the correct view of the world. Do you think all of them are doing it KNOWINGLY they are wrong? Or do many of them actually BELIEVE on what they are preaching, because of TESTIMONIES and HOLY DOCUMENTS? That don’t absolve them from not thinking for themselves though.
So, you see, I think in the end all this “attempt” to defeat fascism through suppression, which include this Holocaust myth, is what laid the path for the migration crisis that Europe is facing today. Are not the Muslims and feminists using the same tactics that were used i the past? Isn’t “islamophobia” a little to close to “anti-Semitism”? And yet, isn’t there some Muslims genuinely suffering injustice because of their faith and faith alone? Doesn’t the “rape apology” ad hominem look too much like the “Holocaust Denier” used to shut down the discussion on the subject, nowadays? In the end, the Allies won using the very tactics they accused their enemies of doing. But there is so much you can push, and suppress people. And no, I am not a Nazi, or Neo-Nazi. I am in favor of TRUTH and JUSTICE. Accusing ANYONE, Nazi or NOT, based on assertions and circumstantial evidence while suppressing ANY CRITICISM is wrong, I don’t care who is doing. And in the end, Jews are humans, and as such they are flawed and susceptible to the same mistakes the rest of us are, that includes LYING and TAKING ADVANTAGE of the system.
In the end, I think all is connected. And, ironically enough, the tactics used to try to suppress the far right will be the reason for its ascendency. People get fed up, I although I don’t live in Germany, I can imagine people there must be reaching their breaking point after being accused for so many years of something that is not even physically possible. Calling them a “Nazi” will loose its effect, and then history will repeat itself.
In a free society I shouldn’t be afraid of stating my opinion, since everyone should be able to express one’s opinion without the fear of repercussion on his personal life, but unfortunately, all people are equal, but some ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS. All hail democracy, I guess.
That is my rant anyway.
Cheers.
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